Shaggy
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Post by Shaggy on Sept 28, 2011 7:06:37 GMT
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Post by Rob Scott on Sept 28, 2011 8:06:59 GMT
Agree. Sounds good.
Hopefully they can pick up a 10th import and win a few games.
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Post by muppitz on Sept 28, 2011 14:05:05 GMT
Not a moment too soon, something needed to happen up there, the situation is woeful!
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Post by panthers4ever on Sept 28, 2011 17:37:23 GMT
Agree with all
Sooner the better
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Post by cooperphil156 on Sept 28, 2011 19:26:49 GMT
It sounds like good news, but it is unbelievable that they have started another season with very little off the ice structure, after the problems last season. With the attendances they have had, Len Wilcox will have his hands full promoting the club and trying to boost attendances. I am not sure whether an experience in property development and financial services is that beneficial for this. Anyhow the very best of luck to them. It might make DS happy.
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Post by mattalfuk on Sept 29, 2011 6:46:35 GMT
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Post by straw32 on Sept 29, 2011 8:10:13 GMT
i wonder if every fan in the league gave them £10 would it help them in any way
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Post by Rob Scott on Sept 29, 2011 8:13:56 GMT
i wonder if every fan in the league gave them £10 would it help them in any way I should think so. It would be about a quarter of a million quid! |
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Post by 5+game on Sept 30, 2011 11:16:33 GMT
i wonder if every fan in the league gave them £10 would it help them in any way Edinburgh have never wanted to help themselves so why should we. If they were trying everything they could to survive but were still struggling then maybe, but they havent. |
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abi
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Post by abi on Sept 30, 2011 11:24:00 GMT
i wonder if every fan in the league gave them £10 would it help them in any way Edinburgh have never wanted to help themselves so why should we. If they were trying everything they could to survive but were still struggling then maybe, but they havent. And you can prove they haven't, how exactly? FYI, Scott Neil and the management up there have been working their backsides off to try and make things work and keep hockey sustainable in Edinburgh. If that means they don't go doing ridiculous marketing they cannot afford, then so be it. They are trying to live within their means until the stability they need is present, so that they can THEN push to make a bit of money to plough back in. |
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Post by Rob Scott on Sept 30, 2011 11:30:46 GMT
Can you prove they have?
Ooo so aggressive young lady.
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Paul
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Post by Paul on Sept 30, 2011 11:34:00 GMT
Edinburgh have never wanted to help themselves so why should we. If they were trying everything they could to survive but were still struggling then maybe, but they havent. And you can prove they haven't, how exactly? FYI, Scott Neil and the management up there have been working their backsides off to try and make things work and keep hockey sustainable in Edinburgh. If that means they don't go doing ridiculous marketing they cannot afford, then so be it. They are trying to live within their means until the stability they need is present, so that they can THEN push to make a bit of money to plough back in. And that, in my mind, is where they are going wrong. In business you have to speculate to accumulate. The first mitake a number of ailing businesses make is to cut back on their marketing as soon as they start experiencing problems. The trouble is that if you don't market your business you won't bring in customers. I agree with only spending what you can afford but you have to prioritise that spending against what it will achieve? I can't say whether the Capitals were doing much marketing but I would draw your attention to a tale related by our own much loved and revered GM who asked Scott whether he had contacted Irish bars in Edinburgh ahead of their game with the Giants in a bid to draw more fans in. He was told there weren't any only to find about a dozen when he checked on the internet. Just a question, what is "ridiculous marketing"? No agenda, just curious. Modified to remove repitition |
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Post by BigLad on Sept 30, 2011 11:46:02 GMT
It doesn't take much to print off a few posters and advertise in places around the rink.
When I went up for the double header last season, me and a mate stopped in at the Murryfield Sports Pub and were chatting to the owner there - he was all for putting a poster up at the very least, but had no contact with any of the Caps management.
The taxi driver on the Saturday game thought we were going to the Rugby, and the only ice rink the Hotel barman knew of was teh open air thing in the city centre!
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Post by 5+game on Sept 30, 2011 11:52:47 GMT
Edinburgh have never wanted to help themselves so why should we. If they were trying everything they could to survive but were still struggling then maybe, but they havent. And you can prove they haven't, how exactly? FYI, Scott Neil and the management up there have been working their backsides off to try and make things work and keep hockey sustainable in Edinburgh. If that means they don't go doing ridiculous marketing they cannot afford, then so be it. They are trying to live within their means until the stability they need is present, so that they can THEN push to make a bit of money to plough back in. It has been pointed out by many people that they havent. They were issued with business plans by the Panthers a few years ago and GM was anoyed that they did nothing with them. my parents travelled to Edinburgh the other weekend, and everybody they spoke to had no idea there was even a hockey team, even the shops down the road from the rink had no idea. |
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Post by panthersdave on Sept 30, 2011 12:02:56 GMT
Edinburgh have never wanted to help themselves so why should we. If they were trying everything they could to survive but were still struggling then maybe, but they havent. And you can prove they haven't, how exactly? FYI, Scott Neil and the management up there have been working their backsides off to try and make things work and keep hockey sustainable in Edinburgh. If that means they don't go doing ridiculous marketing they cannot afford, then so be it. They are trying to live within their means until the stability they need is present, so that they can THEN push to make a bit of money to plough back in. Heard a story about our GM being asked by the Caps how they get people to know about hockey in Nottingham. Apparently GM tried to advise them to just get a simple poster made for a start to let people know whats happening. The Caps then didnt know how to go about ringing local firms to get this done, this annoyed our GM as it seemed they had no idea what they were doing |
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Post by tecpuldis on Sept 30, 2011 12:44:28 GMT
And you can prove they haven't, how exactly? FYI, Scott Neil and the management up there have been working their backsides off to try and make things work and keep hockey sustainable in Edinburgh. If that means they don't go doing ridiculous marketing they cannot afford, then so be it. They are trying to live within their means until the stability they need is present, so that they can THEN push to make a bit of money to plough back in. Remember when the league offered to look after the Vipers and Caps until the end of last season and Scott Neil refused? That's how |
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Post by Shaggy on Sept 30, 2011 13:01:26 GMT
A read-through of the Capitals' forum - posts by Capitals fans themselves - will give an indication of just how badly the club has up to now failed to exploit more than a small fraction of the potential support up there.
Now let's hope that changes... fresh start.
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Post by LUFC on Sept 30, 2011 13:05:23 GMT
Reading what the new GM up there has said, it looks promising. Getting stability, Sponsors and work hard on getting out there can only ever be a good thing.
Fingers crossed this shake-up will work.
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Post by Shorty on Sept 30, 2011 13:31:00 GMT
Whoever takes on the job up there should see it as a tremendous opportunity. There is clearly potential up there, and with a good strategy and ideas, they could really make a difference to the attendances and subsequent fortunes on and off the ice.
I'd have loved to have had a go at something like that, but cant ever see me moving away from Nottingham.
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Post by abi on Oct 2, 2011 20:43:16 GMT
And you can prove they haven't, how exactly? FYI, Scott Neil and the management up there have been working their backsides off to try and make things work and keep hockey sustainable in Edinburgh. If that means they don't go doing ridiculous marketing they cannot afford, then so be it. They are trying to live within their means until the stability they need is present, so that they can THEN push to make a bit of money to plough back in. Remember when the league offered to look after the Vipers and Caps until the end of last season and Scott Neil refused? That's how Ok, here's what I know: -Caps vetoed the offer because unlike the Vipers, they have multiple shareholders who would have to have signed over most, if not all, of their share in the club to the league. These investors to the best of my knowledge are still present but agreed to the new management systems in place for the sake of the club, and they're prepared to sit back and let the staff get on with it. -Scott Neil had been planning promotions etc to include targeting the universities, the rugby fans and general public. Not all ran smoothly but the effort was there, and the new GM is probably more than capable of making sure they DO work. -As a man who absolutely lives for hockey in Edinburgh, there's no way Scott would see it killed off if he could help it. He clearly realised that there was a real risk Caps wouldn't survive into this season if they were taken over the league like Newcastle...and look what happened. I have some fantastic memories of a lot of time spent in Edinburgh around the Caps organisation (as well as some nice ones in the city itself, I didn't spend all my time freezing in that rink!), and i'm glad they've turned a corner off the ice when it comes to management. The fans and players up there deserve it more than anyone i've ever met through hockey. The result vs Dundee would probably show signs of change sweeping the ranks as well  |
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