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Post by james1977 on Jun 29, 2011 18:48:50 GMT
Actually Rangers I agree with Tommo, Stewart should get at least a consideration for the job. That doesn't mean that I can't also think he wasn't the best EIHL coach last season as well.
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Post by rangers on Jun 29, 2011 18:54:49 GMT
Off topic rangers, where will you be watching your hockey next season? Well I live and work in Peterborough, so will be at Phantoms most weeks. Will no doubt take a few trips to Nottingham and Sheffield, maybe a couple of trips to watch Whitley Bay and Billingham, and am also planning a bit of a road trip to France to watch Resuzstko and Sibley play for Amiens (same team as Bergin and Nikolov) |
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Post by seedy on Jun 29, 2011 19:01:02 GMT
team that didnt win a thing (other than the odd victory against teams they should have lost to) got coach of the year?
Ill give him that he stuck with it, would have been easy to walk away from it all. Many would have. But that doesnt make him coach of the year.
Cardiff had a world record breaking win streak, Stewarts performance is better than that is a compelte loss to me.
As others have said, he signed a team that couldnt even take advantage of their home ice and as a result looked nearly as bad as Derby County did in their recent premiership season. He didnt even do the best he could do on a limited bugdet. I still beleive if he signed a 'North East' hockey team Vipers would probably still be playing next season as it would have got people through the doors.
Anyway, Braehead, well, I though Bruce was better than that, I wasnt happy when Tessier left mid season, or happy when Chris Richards didnt even make the start of the season. Dont see how this is any different.
Danny Stewart and Bruce are similar characters on the ice, but stewart showed last season he doesnt sign a team full of guys that play like him, Bruce tried to to begin with.
Be interesting to see what he does if hes given a decent budget to work with though.
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Post by oldman on Jun 29, 2011 21:18:00 GMT
Simply going to miss the little guy! Good Luck Brucie
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Post by richard1969 on Jun 30, 2011 5:13:24 GMT
You can tell by the reaction of Braehead management how tough it will be to replace him
He made them over achieve IMO
Feel sorry for Braehead and their fans
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Post by Johnny 5 on Jun 30, 2011 8:35:00 GMT
Is anyone else seeing something odd with the following:
1. Richardson leaving
2. Braehead only opening season ticket sales when panthers sales close.
3. Rumours from hockileaks of debts of £400k.
4. Rumours again from hockileaks of unpaid players wage.
All in all it looks from the outside that there maybe some financial issues possibly leaving Bruce unhappy to return.
I'm only surmising, and I wish Bruce all the best with his career move, but things don't quite add up.
Also I hope Braehead weren't relying on panthers season ticket sales to bail them out or make a decision whether to continue or not for the coming season.
Maybe wrong and looking to deep into it.
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Post by Pies on Jun 30, 2011 8:51:22 GMT
Is anyone else seeing something odd with the following: 1. Richardson leaving 2. Braehead only opening season ticket sales when panthers sales close. 3. Rumours from hockileaks of debts of £400k. 4. Rumours again from hockileaks of unpaid players wage. All in all it looks from the outside that there maybe some financial issues possibly leaving Bruce unhappy to return. I'm only surmising, and I wish Bruce all the best with his career move, but things don't quite add up. Also I hope Braehead weren't relying on panthers season ticket sales to bail them out or make a decision whether to continue or not for the coming season. Maybe wrong and looking to deep into it. I think you're putting 1+1 together and getting 3 IMO, Bruce said from day 1 here he wants to coach in NA and if anything came up he'd take it. I take whatever Bob says with a huge pinch of salt! |
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Post by dodit on Jun 30, 2011 10:00:35 GMT
So why would their players be unpaid and be in debt if it wasn't happening to us and our players too. Money comes from the same person.
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Post by Rob Scott on Jun 30, 2011 10:05:30 GMT
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Post by richard1969 on Jun 30, 2011 11:17:28 GMT
Is anyone else seeing something odd with the following: 1. Richardson leaving 2. Braehead only opening season ticket sales when panthers sales close. 3. Rumours from hockileaks of debts of £400k. 4. Rumours again from hockileaks of unpaid players wage. All in all it looks from the outside that there maybe some financial issues possibly leaving Bruce unhappy to return. I'm only surmising, and I wish Bruce all the best with his career move, but things don't quite add up. Also I hope Braehead weren't relying on panthers season ticket sales to bail them out or make a decision whether to continue or not for the coming season. Maybe wrong and looking to deep into it. (I can well believe they lost a load of money last season and are on track to lose similar this season) |
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Post by Rob Scott on Jun 30, 2011 11:24:10 GMT
Is anyone else seeing something odd with the following: 1. Richardson leaving 2. Braehead only opening season ticket sales when panthers sales close. 3. Rumours from hockileaks of debts of £400k. 4. Rumours again from hockileaks of unpaid players wage. All in all it looks from the outside that there maybe some financial issues possibly leaving Bruce unhappy to return. I'm only surmising, and I wish Bruce all the best with his career move, but things don't quite add up. Also I hope Braehead weren't relying on panthers season ticket sales to bail them out or make a decision whether to continue or not for the coming season. Maybe wrong and looking to deep into it. (I can well believe they lost a load of money last season and are on track to lose similar this season) Well maybe they should sign a less expensive roster for this year. Their fans would have been happy with 8th last season and yet they finished in the top half. Build it up slowly..... Unfortunately by being so successful last year they will probably have increased expectation way too early and now if they finished 8th this year the support could dwindle. |
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Post by james1977 on Jun 30, 2011 11:38:56 GMT
So why would their players be unpaid and be in debt if it wasn't happening to us and our players too. Because they are a separate company and whilst Neil Black is the very public face of Clan ownership he isn't the only owner. They are in debt because all such ventures face losses at start-up. Some players remain unpaid (not all) because they haven't finalised the clearing of debts (rent, council tax, utilities etc) which the team is liable for if the players default. This is common in many sports and other lines of business. No, it doesn't. Perhaps folk should stop lapping up everything that appears on hockileaks and consider the author, rather than helping him spread his tosh across the internet. Bob is a very bitter man and seems hell bent on taking as many people down with him as he can. |
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Post by Shorty on Jun 30, 2011 12:00:34 GMT
Well at least it should get rid of any infatuation that some of our fans have with the Clan.
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Post by Rob Scott on Jun 30, 2011 12:03:16 GMT
Well at least it should get rid of any infatuation that some of our fans have with the Clan. Indeed. The feeling most most certainly never mutual.... |
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Post by Shaggy on Jun 30, 2011 12:24:19 GMT
Perhaps folk should stop lapping up everything that appears on hockileaks and consider the author, rather than helping him spread his tosh across the internet. Bob is a very bitter man and seems hell bent on taking as many people down with him as he can. Couldn't agree more. It's (unfortunately) impossible to ignore his blog and the frenzy of discussion that it causes - which is exactly what he wants - and it's hard to avoid referring to it every now and then (guilty as charged, m'lud!). Hell - some of it might even be true! But it has to be kept in mind that anyone coming out with a blog like that is going to have their own agenda... in this case, trashing just about everybody else in British ice hockey. Funny how, according to his blog, everything is somebody else's fault... all of the conspiracies and alleged offences committed by others. This from the man that was distrusted and even hated in Cardiff for screwing things up, then the same again in Sheffield, went bankrupt, etc... and all of this the fault of others? What - is he the biggest single serial victim in British ice hockey? I think not... |
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Post by dodit on Jun 30, 2011 12:32:46 GMT
So why would their players be unpaid and be in debt if it wasn't happening to us and our players too. Because they are a separate company and whilst Neil Black is the very public face of Clan ownership he isn't the only owner. They are in debt because all such ventures face losses at start-up. Some players remain unpaid (not all) because they haven't finalised the clearing of debts (rent, council tax, utilities etc) which the team is liable for if the players default. This is common in many sports and other lines of business. No, it doesn't. Perhaps folk should stop lapping up everything that appears on hockileaks and consider the author, rather than helping him spread his tosh across the internet. Bob is a very bitter man and seems hell bent on taking as many people down with him as he can. I see to what you're saying, but if Black et al were good enough businessmen/women, they should be able to manage their money and know that they should only go into another business if they can afford to do so, if their business plan would suggest that they cannot afford to do this - or find the funds for that matter - then they shouldn't because it will only be bad news from day one. |
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Post by Rob Scott on Jun 30, 2011 12:33:21 GMT
Yeah and Richardson has left the Clan.
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Post by lee on Jun 30, 2011 12:43:32 GMT
i'd hope that the Business plan was to expect these losses year 1, its very very rare that a business as big as that would turn a profit in the first year with all the initial startup capital and investment required.
so i don't see a reported £400k loss year one as an issue at all. as long as the cash flow is there to support these losses until it starts to turn a profit then no big deal.
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Post by abi on Jun 30, 2011 17:35:29 GMT
Sad to see him go, but at the same time when an offer like that comes up we'd be questioning his sanity if he didn't take it.
As for coaching candidates, Stewart is probably a good shout. I would like to see what he could do with slightly more resources than he had at Newcastle, and he is a similar mould to Bruce. I think he deserves praise for what he managed to achieve at Newcastle and a chance to build on that.
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Post by pantherdman on Jun 30, 2011 20:04:51 GMT
Good luck Bruce, 100%er & top bloke, will do well in whatever he does.
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