Enough is Enough!!!!

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therapy said:

Do you think Chelsea would be the same team under Ady Boothroyd

No, because Boothroyd would be unlikely to oversee a bunch of players who seek to win not through their undoubted skill, but through the most blatant play-acting, diving and general cheating imaginable. If Panthers ever became the Elite League’s Chelsea, I’d be off.

newham said:

Adey was, and still is a poor coach.

This season so far: second in the league, one loss in eight, seven game unbeaten streak, best defence in the league by some margin.

newham said:

So if Adey had won us some trophies, he'd be a successful coach?

The general thrust of your posts suggests that this is exactly the criteria by which you think a coach’s ability should be judged.

[newham]

roygbiv said:

newham said:

So if Adey had won us some trophies, he'd be a successful coach?

The simple fact is that his teams were never good enough. Hell, the one trophy we did win was as a result of his throwing a 2 goal lead away, and that was due to Sheffield having a contentious goal disallowed.

Paul Adey was our head coach from 2002 until 2005 and in that time we got to the finals of:

2003 Challenge cup (lost 3-2)
2004 Challenge cup (won 4-3)

2004 Play off final (lost 2-1)
2005 Play off final (lost 2-1 OT)

Had those losses been victories, then four trophies in three season (IMO) would have made him successful. Obviously we didn't win all the finals, so it's all down to hypothesis isn't it.

The part in brackets means most to me. If you lose in a final you may as well have gone out in the first line. Adey's teams never quite managed to have that big-game performance in them when it really mattered. CC Final excepted.

What you're saying is that if we had won those games we'd have been successful. WE DIDN'T! That's the simple fact. If Forest hadn't been relegated twice, we'd still be in the Premiership!

[nana]

ive just been watching a video of Panthers v Whitley Bay, when they played Wembley, that shows how long i have been supporting panthers, Panthers won 8 - 6 but before that game they had lost 13 consecutive games. Ive been a season ticket holder, or equivalent, from the first time I went to see them but I am behind them all the way. so we have hit a bad patch, like every other team has in the past, we are supposed to be SUPPORTERS arn't we lets get behind the lads and mike and support them instead of critising and moaning all the time.

[newham]

stef said:

This season so far: second in the league, one loss in eight, seven game unbeaten streak, best defence in the league by some margin.

Best defence? Christ! That's unusual for an Adey side. Still, they aren't top and it is still only November. Let's see how good a job he's done in March.

stef said:

The general thrust of your posts suggests that this is exactly the criteria by which you think a coach’s ability should be judged.

Sure, if he were coaching Basingstoke or Edinburgh, trophies wouldn't be the point. As it was, he was coaching arguably the biggest side in the country and he didn't win enough to warrant his period of time at the club.

So yes, in his position, trophies are how i gauge his success. Isn't that the point of coaching?

Legend as a player, disappointment as a coach so far.

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newham said:

he was coaching arguably the biggest side in the country and he didn't win enough to warrant his period of time at the club.

But isn't the idea of a wage cap that there are no 'biggest' clubs?

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newham said:

Best defence? Christ! That's unusual for an Adey side.

But in 2004/05 we had the best defence in the Elite League. The year before Sheffield/Bronsard were best, with Manchester (155 goals conceded), Coventry (156) and us (158) more or less equal 2nd.

[roygbiv]

newham said:

roygbiv said:

Paul Adey was our head coach from 2002 until 2005 and in that time we got to the finals of:

2003 Challenge cup (lost 3-2)
2004 Challenge cup (won 4-3)

2004 Play off final (lost 2-1)
2005 Play off final (lost 2-1 OT)

Had those losses been victories, then four trophies in three season (IMO) would have made him successful. Obviously we didn't win all the finals, so it's all down to hypothesis isn't it.

The part in brackets means most to me. If you lose in a final you may as well have gone out in the first line. Adey's teams never quite managed to have that big-game performance in them when it really mattered. CC Final excepted.

What you're saying is that if we had won those games we'd have been successful. WE DIDN'T! That's the simple fact. If Forest hadn't been relegated twice, we'd still be in the Premiership!

Jeez, talk about looking for an arguememt for the sake of it. You asked me a question, this being IF Panthers had won the finals lost under Adey, would it have made Paul Adey a successful coach?

I answered yes, so quite why you felt the need to go off on a bizarre football-esque tangent is beyond me. I never stated that getting to said finals made us successful did I, so don't put words in my mouth.

I think I've made my feelings about the Adey era blatantly clear with:

roygbiv said:

The brutal honesty of the Adey years is we were nothing more than the "nearly team" but that term is apparently en vogue with us

[newham]

stef said:

newham said:

Best defence? Christ! That's unusual for an Adey side.

But in 2004/05 we had the best defence in the Elite League. The year before Sheffield/Bronsard were best, with Manchester (155 goals conceded), Coventry (156) and us (158) more or less equal 2nd.

Is that correct? Apologies then, i wasn't aware of that. God knows how that happened

[newham]

roygbiv said:

Jeez, talk about looking for an arguememt for the sake of it. You asked me a question, this being IF Panthers had won the finals lost under Adey, would it have made Paul Adey a successful coach?

I answered yes, so quite why you felt the need to go off on a bizarre football-esque tangent is beyond me. I never stated that getting to said finals made us successful did I, so don't put words in my mouth.

Nobody is looking for an argument, we're having a conversation Shin, calm down. Ofcourse winning the trophies would have made him successful. My point is that that point is redundant because we didn't. It seems a silly point to be making.

[roygbiv]

newham said:

roygbiv said:

Jeez, talk about looking for an arguememt for the sake of it. You asked me a question, this being IF Panthers had won the finals lost under Adey, would it have made Paul Adey a successful coach?

I answered yes, so quite why you felt the need to go off on a bizarre football-esque tangent is beyond me. I never stated that getting to said finals made us successful did I, so don't put words in my mouth.

Nobody is looking for an argument, we're having a conversation Shin, calm down. Ofcourse winning the trophies would have made him successful. My point is that that point is redundant because we didn't. It seems a silly point to be making.

My initial post reference Adey coming back was in response to the poster who was clamering for Paul to return and claiming he was a fantastic coach due to his record.

My post was nothing more than a belief that had Paul's team won those finals, I think it's highly feesible that he would have returned for 2005-06.

You're the one that started selective quoting of people's posts and asking questions for which the answer was right infront of you.

[DoUrden]

bestwoodpanther said:

can someone delete this boring and pretty much useless topic

Done