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Post by dirtyden on Nov 9, 2006 22:37:45 GMT
M.E thinks we might need to sign three or four players, who do you think will be out the door?
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Post by Shaggy on Nov 9, 2006 22:51:13 GMT
Interestingly, the article (as quoted on THF - it doesn't appear to have made it onto the NEP website that I can see) doesn't have Mike Ellis quoted as saying that... that's Mick Holland's words.
Now, given that the headline dated Nov 6th said "Ellis: 'It's time for a change' " but the text inside had Ellis quoted as saying "I don't like making changes for the sake of it but something has to happen to help us get back on track, one or two new faces perhaps." (my highlight for emphasis)... I'm getting the feeling that this number of 'three or four' could be little more than speculation.
Given also that in the article on the 6th, Mick Holland clearly puts a lot of the blame on Evan Lindsay, but in today's article Mike Ellis is actually quoted is praising Lindsay ("He's as upset about this winless run as much as everyone, but he is too good a goalie to let it bother him." ) then I'm thinking that Holland and Ellis are simply not on the same wavelength.
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Post by pantherfan on Nov 9, 2006 23:03:37 GMT
M.E thinks we might need to sign three or four players, who do you think will be out the door? I'm hoping nobody will go, as far as I'm concerned every player has put 100% in so far and that includes: Stevens Lindsey Macaslan Nielson |
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Post by dodyfan13 on Nov 9, 2006 23:38:21 GMT
M.E thinks we might need to sign three or four players, who do you think will be out the door? I'm hoping nobody will go, as far as I'm concerned every player has put 100% in so far and that includes: Stevens Lindsey Macaslan Nielson With you on this one |
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Post by texpef on Nov 10, 2006 0:04:18 GMT
but its obvious from the last 10 games that 100% is plainly not good enough to win, so if as you say they are trying their best then it is again obvious that their best is just not good enough...
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Post by gazzathedevil on Nov 10, 2006 0:06:38 GMT
I will be shocked if anyone is changed. Every year its the same thing and every year nothing changes.
Face it this time of year unless your going to get someone coming out of retirement (stringer) or you get lucky with a player being released (bronsard) your going to have the same team.
It's horrible trying to get players in this time of year Ellis said so in the article himself about trying to get someone to cover him
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Post by MP on Nov 10, 2006 0:39:50 GMT
I wouldn't get excited - the article was contradictory.
The headline implies changes are pending. Mike Ellis is quoted as pondering the possible need to bring in 3 or 4 new faces.
He's also quoted as saying there isn't anything wrong with the current squad that a couple of wins won't cure and that he doesn't like making changes.
That said, he's had one to one talks with all the players, telling them what's expected of them and believes (hopes) that will sort out the problem without changes being necessary.
Can't say as I share his belief - neither can I see three or four new faces any time soon either if things don't improve in the near future.
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Post by Shaggy on Nov 10, 2006 0:41:07 GMT
I will be shocked if anyone is changed. Every year its the same thing and every year nothing changes. Except that last season, Blaisdell DID make a change, and brought in Shaun Sutter. Oops. And the year before (late on, granted) Adey got rid of.... Krulis, was it? - and brought in Nemirovsky. Hmmm.... So changes HAVE been made in the recent past... and didn't work. Which is a point that I believe is being missed by those who are constantly calling for players to be ditched and new ones brought in... as if that was a guaranteed road to improvement. It's not. |
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Post by Rich on Nov 10, 2006 8:11:49 GMT
I dunno shaggy, Boynton and Moran in for Krulis and Magdosko was an acceptable swap lol.
I think its more like one or two, and thats dependant on having someone lined up, not just gassing players on the off chance
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Post by Shaggy on Nov 10, 2006 8:30:05 GMT
I dunno shaggy, Boynton and Moran in for Krulis and Magdosko was an acceptable swap lol. Hmmm... you could be right! ;D I forget who it was who made way for Nemirovsky... I think I'm trying to repress!  Exactly. Just ditching players for the sake of it isn't the answer... there has to be an alternative that you are sure is going to be better - and even then, the coach can still get it wrong (Blaisdell bringing in Sutter, for example). |
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Post by Lucy on Nov 10, 2006 8:43:28 GMT
So, we were happy with our players to begin with, when we were flying high at the top of the league. Six weeks later we're unhappy with certain players because it's all going wrong. So, we make a few changes and we're happy with our players because we go on a winning streak. Six weeks later we're unhappy with certain players because it's all going wrong. So - what next? Who says changes would make it any better?  |
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Post by jaycourtney on Nov 10, 2006 9:47:08 GMT
I dunno shaggy, Boynton and Moran in for Krulis and Magdosko was an acceptable swap lol. Hmmm... you could be right! ;D I forget who it was who made way for Nemirovsky... I think I'm trying to repress! Exactly. Just ditching players for the sake of it isn't the answer... there has to be an alternative that you are sure is going to be better - and even then, the coach can still get it wrong (Blaisdell bringing in Sutter, for example). He was Craigheads replacement Shaggy, to this day I still wonder why we kept Kimmy when he was in a state to ice. Krulis for Moran was a great swap Krulis lost loads of form and was struggling. Masdosko good aggresive player but if it wasn't for the groin injury i'm sure he would have stayed the whole season. Changes I'd keep Lindsay I think his getting blamed unfaily but thats usally the case with the Netminder. From what I've seen Neilson's living on another planet his not doing the basic things that a D man needs to do e.g. Clear the puck on the PK, I'd change Stevens the guys works his bag off but the was braught here as a sniper and one 1 goal thats not cutting the mustard for me, I'd like Ellis to be part of the roster I think he'd have a greater influence on the ice. |
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Post by spik on Nov 10, 2006 10:22:53 GMT
If players are putting in 100%, fine. But is the team rate 100% together now?
Even if people think that it,s hard to change this time of year.
1) When might a change be better? You can't say a change won't work and
2) Could not another 100% man elsewhere (seen as the same at that club as here,trying) fit in team wise , rather than individually and thus spark a difference?
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Post by texpef on Nov 10, 2006 10:25:20 GMT
the alternative is keep with what we have though lucy and given how poor most people think the team have been over the last month and also given the fact that we do not score enough goals and have lost the last 10 games with no obvious change or improvement in sight is keeping what we have the right choice. If it is and we carry on and lost the next 10 games we not only have lost out shot at the league this year but we also will be fighting it out for the wooden spoon and i for one as a fan of the nottingham panthers do not want that either...do you?
As stated swapping players isnt always the answer and even when we were flying high we still had 2 players (to name but 2) in Nielsen who was poor defensively and Stevens whose one goal is really not enough for a so called high scoring forward, both of which whose failings are coming back to haunt us, would you stick with what most people agree isnt working?
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Post by Rich on Nov 10, 2006 10:31:22 GMT
The thing is its not really criticising the TEAM its more individuals. People criticise players after a month of poor play just like they praised players after the first month of good play. Its not "Sack the team" its "tweak a couple of things"
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Post by Doughnut on Nov 10, 2006 10:41:29 GMT
... given the fact that we do not score enough goals and have lost the last 10 games ... This may be pedantic, but we haven't lost the last 10 games. We drew the last one. |
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Post by newham on Nov 10, 2006 11:47:53 GMT
M.E thinks we might need to sign three or four players, who do you think will be out the door? I'm hoping nobody will go, as far as I'm concerned every player has put 100% in so far and that includes: Stevens Lindsey Macaslan Nielson Well, i hope you enjoy yet another trophyless and uninspiring season because this is precisely what we've had for the last 10 years. Sure, they might be playing 100% (although in Stevens and Neilsons case i doubt that) but the simple fact is that there are 4 or 5 on this roster that just aren't good enough. If you want to keep them because they try hard or are just decent guys, then you'll never watch us win anything. ... given the fact that we do not score enough goals and have lost the last 10 games ... This may be pedantic, but we haven't lost the last 10 games. We drew the last one. Twas effectively a defeat though. |
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Nov 10, 2006 13:47:14 GMT
im with pantherfan and Dodyfan13, yes were having problems but i think its nothing a few wins wont change, i think this is a team who can turn things round.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Nov 10, 2006 13:52:06 GMT
how do you know if we change this team were going to end up with anymore trophies than if we keep it the same?
ive never seen anyone brought into a panthers team halfway into the season or a quarter thats done any good at all.
theres usually a reason why players havnt been signed by a team at this stage of the year, there naff
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2006 13:53:36 GMT
but its obvious from the last 10 games that 100% is plainly not good enough to win, so if as you say they are trying their best then it is again obvious that their best is just not good enough... It was in the games prior to that. |
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Post by Fraggle on Nov 10, 2006 14:42:42 GMT
I forget who it was who made way for Nemirovsky... I think I'm trying to repress! ... Just ditching players for the sake of it isn't the answer... there has to be an alternative that you are sure is going to be better - and even then, the coach can still get it wrong (Blaisdell bringing in Sutter, for example). Roman Tvrdon, shoulder - out for season mid October? Git head didn't go til Xmas did he?  Don't agree with ditching players for the sake of it - but DO agree with making changes when some players clearly aren't working out. Neilson is a case in point. I wouldn't pay him in peanuts. |
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Post by Rich on Nov 10, 2006 15:29:03 GMT
Its impossible to prove I guess.
Looking back tho sheffield always seemed to pull something out the bag and I remember a certain Kevin Hoffman almost single handedly turning our season around when brought in late. I think we need to give the guys another week, anything other than a 4point weekend and changes have to be made, full stop. If we cant beat the bottom2 we arnt good enough to make a serious title bid IMO
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Post by roygbiv on Nov 10, 2006 15:32:03 GMT
Its impossible to prove I guess. Looking back tho sheffield always seemed to pull something out the bag and I remember a certain Kevin Hoffman almost single handedly turning our season around when brought in late. I think we need to give the guys another week, anything other than a 4point weekend and changes have to be made, full stop. If we cant beat the bottom2 we arnt good enough to make a serious title bid IMO I agree with you, this week end really is paramount to turn around our season. The losing streak ended last week with the 2-2 against Sheffield, let's hope the guys go out and turn in a stellar weekend. Not much fun as a Panthers' fan exiled in the West Midlands at present.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2006 15:40:34 GMT
My take on this discussion well....
10 games without a win, some say no need for a change, well we go on to lose or go another 10 games without a win, suddenly we are propping up the table,
People its clear some ain t putting the effort in as some performances clearly show. We have to identify who wants to play for the panthers and care for them and who doesn t ... and quickly, once we get 16-17 guys working their socks off, doing the simple things , then watch results turn in our favour.
Ref Gazza, theres players being released all the time, some quality i.e. ECHL and UHL standard. I don t and will never wear this ` theres never any players available` comments, absolute rubbish.
Id like to see Ellis carry out his 2 in , 2 out thoughts, it may do us some good and freshen up things, action has to be taken NOW
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Post by jimbo on Nov 10, 2006 15:57:26 GMT
if i was to get rid of 3 or 4 it would have to be:
Lindsay
Rees
Stevens
Petricko
how can you get rid of McAslan he one of the top scorers come on and neilson is not finding much form but that will come
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