Fao Boniface

[newham]

I quote the story from the Panthers site last week:

New rule interpretation for pucks hit into team benches

Nottingham, and no doubt other clubs, raised the issue with league chiefs after falling foul of minor penalties even when the puck went into team bench areas where there is no plexi-glass.

The concerns have been taken on board and the following update has now been sent out by league bosses:

"This has been sent to all the officials today and will be implemented with immediate effect as there seem to have been a little confusion with this.

We are in the process of amending this rule from the IIHF: -

554 c) A player or goalkeeper who directly shoots, throws, or bats the puck with his hand or stick outside the playing area (anywhere on the ice!), shall be assessed a minor penalty.

We are amending it to the following for the coming weekend!

A player or goalkeeper who directly shoots, throws, or bats the puck with his hand or stick outside the playing area in his own defensive zone only (which goes up to the centre red line), Shall be assessed a minor penalty

NEW: - However if the puck goes in to either the players bench or the penalty bench where there is no Plexiglas a penalty shall not be called, but the offending team may not make a player change! If the puck goes over the Plexiglas behind the team/penalty benches please give the normal 2 minute penalty."

Right, a Sheffield forward clearly cleared the plexi in the third period but as you are showing a habit of doing, you decide to go by your own rules and not call it, even against the opinions of other officials on the ice.

You can't pick and choose when to interpret the rules. You're hired to officiate the game by the Elite League rules and at the moment you're doing a god damn awful job of it every week.

[LUFC]

Boni reads these forums?

Geeze if that really does then read this

Stop Day Dreaming while the game is in play!

So many times he didnt pick up hookings and such around the puck cause he was too busy watching his feet as he skated!

[newham]

If Boni does read these forums then i'd be delighted, maybe he'd be persuaded to put some effort into what he does. At the moment he waltzes round, goes by his own book and completely disregards everybody else (that incident against Manchester still riles me).

[LUFC]

if your on about the goal, i was watching NHL match on NASN and they brought in a rule last season that the WHOLE puck has to clear the line, on that video of the goal that was wiped, the puck does not all go over the line, so maybe he was right and maybe our rules also state about the whole puck crossing the line i dont know.(i have cleared up and zoomed on that puck and it does not all go over the line).

But i do think on many other calls he is way out.

[barnsleyfan]

I think you're referring to Manzano's clearance...from where I was sat I thought he was due for a 2 minute sit down myself.

[gazzathedevil]

newham said:

If Boni does read these forums then i'd be delighted, maybe he'd be persuaded to put some effort into what he does. At the moment he waltzes round, goes by his own book and completely disregards everybody else (that incident against Manchester still riles me).

Well in terms of desicions the manchester one probably balanced out, as you got a winning goal against them on a powerplay that should never have been.


I believe desicions get evened out over the year. you win some you lose some. WE are still waiting to be repaid for Boniface giving a goal against us in Coventry where the net was off its moorings and he was told so numerous times by his linos

[Deleted]

You ll be waiting a long time then

[MP]

gazzathedevil said:

WE are still waiting to be repaid for Boniface giving a goal against us in Coventry where the net was off its moorings and he was told so numerous times by his linos

That's actually a call I'd like to see more often.

It depends on the circumstances of course, but if the defending team takes the net off the mooring then I don't see why a goal shouldn't be given.

[jaycourtney]

The problem is that.
British Ice Hockey is genrally a poor standard of ice hockey, so the less standard of hockey the worse the ref will be. Simple As.

[gazzathedevil]

mountainpanther said:

gazzathedevil said:

WE are still waiting to be repaid for Boniface giving a goal against us in Coventry where the net was off its moorings and he was told so numerous times by his linos

That's actually a call I'd like to see more often.

It depends on the circumstances of course, but if the defending team takes the net off the mooring then I don't see why a goal shouldn't be given.

The scenario was, the coventry forward gained the zone, checked down by adams, forward crashes into Osaer who gets hit into the net, net comes off. Pass comes across cloutier hits it in goal given.


Rule book states nets off no goal given, terrible call

[Milkman™]

jaycourtney said:

The problem is that.
British Ice Hockey is genrally a poor standard of ice hockey, so the less standard of hockey the worse the ref will be. Simple As.

Thats a very good point jay

The standard is comparable to Sunday league park football, so why do we expect so much of the officials.

[MP]

gazzathedevil said:

The scenario was, the coventry forward gained the zone, checked down by adams, forward crashes into Osaer who gets hit into the net, net comes off. Pass comes across cloutier hits it in goal given.


Rule book states nets off no goal given, terrible call

Aye, no goal in that situation for sure.

However, if the goalie or Dmen keep "accidentaly" knocking the net off when there is pressure round the goal, I reckon they should allow a goal to be scored with the net off.

[LUFC]

therapy said:

jaycourtney said:

The problem is that.
British Ice Hockey is genrally a poor standard of ice hockey, so the less standard of hockey the worse the ref will be. Simple As.

Thats a very good point jay

The standard is comparable to Sunday league park football, so why do we expect so much of the officials.

When fans comment like that changes will never come!

And if you using football leagues as a standard then NHL is Premier, swiss leagues are like scottish premier as they have the money and such but play alot of home grown tallent so import wise they are up there with nhl.

AHL and german leagues are like our championship league

then you can mix the chl and others like ours within the next few divisions IMO.

[Chickun]

therapy said:

jaycourtney said:

The problem is that.
British Ice Hockey is genrally a poor standard of ice hockey, so the less standard of hockey the worse the ref will be. Simple As.

Thats a very good point jay

The standard is comparable to Sunday league park football, so why do we expect so much of the officials.

I expect fair consistant ZT calls every time by every official though. At the mo, i think I could ref an Elite league game better than Nige

[lockerbie]

Thats the problem, no consistancy, what one calls the other lets go. Players have no idea never mind fans

[acsmyth]

Thats a very good point jay

The standard is comparable to Sunday league park football, so why do we expect so much of the officials.

I see, so when yer team stops winning our league is pants then eh?

Gimme a break, this league is comparable to many leagues in North America, our top teams could easily match teams in the CHL and some ECHL teams without a doubt.

From a neutral at the game on both occasions I thought the reffing was pretty darn good, Boniface is much better than last year and Hanson was good last night.

Sure refs are going to miss some calls, heck they miss calls in the NHL sometimes. Stop nit picking, we asked for an improvement in the officiating, it has improved greatly over last year.

[KimThePanther]

acsmyth said:

I see, so when yer team stops winning our league is pants then eh?

No - Even if we were winning the league it would easy too say that the United Kingdom is an ice hockey backwater because, it is! Though I don't agree that the standard is comparable with that of Sunday League football.

Refereeing this season has been massively inconsistant. Partial tolerance I would call it. Some referees don't do it at all, some referees enforce it to the letter (as they should do) and some referee games half and half. There is simply no consistancy and that can't be a good thing for the players.

I don't think Hanson refereed a bad game last night in comparison to Boniface's display on Friday. The only thing I would mention would be Sheffield's washed out goal. Does anyone know what it was washed out for? They were very unlucky if it was washed for the goal being off it's mourings because the puck was clearly in the net before it came off. The only other thing I could thing of would be a player in the crease. Either way Hanson seemed very forthright in his disallowing of it. Anyone know why?

[acsmyth]

The question was aimed at the person who called our league exactly that

It may be inconsistent, but in my view, officiating on a whole has been much better than last year and previous years. We definitely are not seeing as much clutch and grab hockey that's for sure, evident by Newcastle's terrible start to the season, and teams stacked with skilled players are rising to the top.

If you are worried about inconsistency, give it time. It took NHL refs a few months to settle down, so it will take EIHL refs 5 years (just kidding). Don't worry about the officiating, as long as yer team performs on the ice you have nothing to worry about.

[jaycourtney]

c'mon.
I never said about the league at all stop making false crap up.

British ice hockey is a poor standard of ice hockey full stop. Hense we're ranked 31st.
Yes we have been compared to ECHL and CHL teams.

Another problem is that theirs no money in British ice hockey so these ref's do this job on the side maybe if it was a full time job they'd put more effort into it.

[newham]

therapy said:

jaycourtney said:

The problem is that.
British Ice Hockey is genrally a poor standard of ice hockey, so the less standard of hockey the worse the ref will be. Simple As.

Thats a very good point jay

The standard is comparable to Sunday league park football, so why do we expect so much of the officials.

Is it too much to expect the ref to actually know the rules?

[Stoopy]

I would take Nigel anyday over the rest of the referees, even after the Clouthier incident in Belfart.

No one is perfect, but Nigel is a great deal more professional, and in your face than most referees in the league.

The players respect him, and that must mean something.

[MP]

lilcrazykim said:

The only other thing I could thing of would be a player in the crease. Either way Hanson seemed very forthright in his disallowing of it. Anyone know why?

I think it must have been for a man in the crease - there were players from both side in the crease at the time I think. Hanson washed the goal out straight away and I couldn't spot any other infringement.

He's quite keen on the "man in the crease" (part of the goalies union ) - he called it more than once during the game.

Not sure about Boniface being respected by the players - he comes across as being decidedly arrogant, to fans and players alike.