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Post by PantherTom on Dec 23, 2009 0:13:03 GMT
Heard a rumour maybe tony hand is coming to panthers next year as coach!  How good would this be |
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Post by phoenixtilidie on Dec 23, 2009 0:34:13 GMT
Coaching a team via text huh? Never seen that done. Hate to break it to you but he'll be two years into his four year contract next season with Manchester. ;D I love the cage, always good for a giggle.
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Post by pantherinmanc on Dec 23, 2009 8:50:00 GMT
Forgetting the fact that this is total rubbish why would it be good? Great player, never really achieved much as a coach though has he? He's just a big name (the biggest?) in UK hockey, that's why Morris took him to Manchester. There is nothing to say he'd be any better than what we already have and if we are going to make a change we need a seasoned, proven bench coach at LPS.
Tony is an outstanding hockey player and a great bloke, but as yet he is a totally unproven coach who is currently plying his trade as a player/coach with a semi pro team - not even close to the type of thing Panthers want or need.
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Post by Adam on Dec 23, 2009 11:06:58 GMT
Coaching a team via text huh? Never seen that done. Hate to break it to you but he'll be two years into his four year contract next season with Manchester. ;D I love the cage, always good for a giggle. Hate to break it to you, but contracts in the British Hockey world dont mean anything. |
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Post by Rich on Dec 23, 2009 12:03:25 GMT
Coaching a team via text huh? Never seen that done. Hate to break it to you but he'll be two years into his four year contract next season with Manchester. ;D I love the cage, always good for a giggle. Hate to break it to you, but contracts in the British Hockey world dont mean anything. Beat me to it. I have no idea how strong the rumour is, but the fact he has a contract means naff all and doesnt take anything away from its credibility. |
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Post by Robbie Nud on Dec 23, 2009 12:11:28 GMT
It would be interesting to see how he would do if he had the players he wanted not just the ones he could afford. You cannot fault him on his signing of players who can perform - Molin, Talhari (sp) & Beauregard.
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Post by pantherinmanc on Dec 23, 2009 14:15:14 GMT
It would be interesting to see how he would do if he had the players he wanted not just the ones he could afford. You cannot fault him on his signing of players who can perform - Molin, Talhari (sp) & Beauregard. Agreed. However there is a wider piece of context which tells the full story and that is that every one of those players was, for the most part, on the same line as Tony. So in terms of picking good players, yes he did pick good players, but he was also massively involved in giving them the tools to do their job given that it was his almost unrivalled passing ability that preceded most of their 'best moments'. |
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Post by Rich on Dec 23, 2009 14:27:20 GMT
It would be interesting to see how he would do if he had the players he wanted not just the ones he could afford. You cannot fault him on his signing of players who can perform - Molin, Talhari (sp) & Beauregard. You didnt see him coach in Belfast then?! Tony is an average coach IMO, I would hardly be over the moon if we made him coach. |
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Post by PantherTom on Dec 23, 2009 14:32:42 GMT
yeah but hes a player coach. when hes a bench coach he will be amazing!
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Post by ted on Dec 23, 2009 14:44:36 GMT
yeah but hes a player coach. when hes a bench coach he will be amazing! why? I really wanna be more contructive but I cant... other than just saying .... why? what makes you think this? Ive seen no sparks of brilliance that make me think this would be true. |
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Post by lee on Dec 23, 2009 14:45:12 GMT
yeah but hes a player coach. when hes a bench coach he will be amazing! when will people realize that 99% of coaching is conducted pre and post game... not during!! anything that can be picked up while sat on the bench during the game can be picked up on video...if not more so! the only advantage is the ability to maybe react to a game situation, but thats what period breaks are for. |
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Post by Rich on Dec 23, 2009 16:50:05 GMT
yeah but hes a player coach. when hes a bench coach he will be amazing! when will people realize that 99% of coaching is conducted pre and post game... not during!! anything that can be picked up while sat on the bench during the game can be picked up on video...if not more so! the only advantage is the ability to maybe react to a game situation, but thats what period breaks are for. My exact words from a couple of weeks ago! Although in actual fact I may suggest one of the benefits is motivation. It would be easier for Corey to put his arm around a guy on the bench when things arent going how he would like if he is stood in a suit behind the bench. Not that pro hockey players at the Panthers should need it, but they are only human. Our coach and captain play together on D so at times the bench motivation comes solely from Goody (And are Ex NHLers getting pumped by AG for a game in Hull?) |
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Post by Zukiwskyfan on Dec 23, 2009 17:01:33 GMT
I don't want Tony Hand anywhere near the Panthers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by ted on Dec 23, 2009 17:09:51 GMT
yeah but hes a player coach. when hes a bench coach he will be amazing! when will people realize that 99% of coaching is conducted pre and post game... not during!! anything that can be picked up while sat on the bench during the game can be picked up on video...if not more so! the only advantage is the ability to maybe react to a game situation, but thats what period breaks are for. yes that man! dare I even say that if it can be picked up during a game from the bench it can be picked up by the fans? |
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Post by Jovanovski on Dec 23, 2009 17:21:52 GMT
me thinks the OP deserves an award for writing Mischief making nonsensical Chinese whispers
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2009 17:21:59 GMT
I don't want Tony Hand anywhere near the Panthers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i think you can stay cool on that score john  |
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Post by phoenixtilidie on Dec 23, 2009 21:40:30 GMT
Forgetting the fact that this is total rubbish why would it be good? Great player, never really Tony is an outstanding hockey player and a great bloke, but as yet he is a totally unproven coach who is currently plying his trade as a player/coach with a semi pro team - not even close to the type of thing Panthers want or need. Every player in the Phoenix squad is a professional. None of them are playing for free except the Metros players that got brought in to benchwarm while we were down 6 players. |
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Post by Jovanovski on Dec 23, 2009 22:09:32 GMT
so it is paid fish in a smaller pond. Tony would have to pass the GM test first.
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Post by howeaboutthat on Dec 23, 2009 22:10:06 GMT
UK ice hockey contracts might be more pointless than a Sheffield Steelers Mensa society but Hand is still stretching his coaching legs and I'd suggest he's better off doing it at a team in the EPL, where the pressure to do well is lower, than become yet another scapegoat at the NIC.
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Post by Shaggy on Dec 24, 2009 0:23:09 GMT
To be honest, I can't see either Tony Hand or the Panthers regarding this idea as being their best option.
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Post by pantherinmanc on Dec 24, 2009 8:25:05 GMT
Forgetting the fact that this is total rubbish why would it be good? Great player, never really Tony is an outstanding hockey player and a great bloke, but as yet he is a totally unproven coach who is currently plying his trade as a player/coach with a semi pro team - not even close to the type of thing Panthers want or need. Every player in the Phoenix squad is a professional. None of them are playing for free except the Metros players that got brought in to benchwarm while we were down 6 players. Merely being paid does not make you 'professional'. I got paid to play football for many years, yet I have never been a professional footballer. Much like the '8 team league thread' it shines through that the truth - ie you are a semi pro team - bruises the egos of many in the Phoenix fanbase who still, arrogantly but not surprisingly, think they are something special. Granted that's not all of them, I know a lot of very decent and respectful Phoenix fans although most are not your die hard type and I dare say, well in fact I know because i've sked them, if a team started playing out of a rink 10 miles up the road they'd be gone quicker than you can blink. |
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Post by Rich on Dec 26, 2009 21:05:39 GMT
Every player in the Phoenix squad is a professional. None of them are playing for free except the Metros players that got brought in to benchwarm while we were down 6 players. Merely being paid does not make you 'professional'. I got paid to play football for many years, yet I have never been a professional footballer. But it is their profession. Were you full time employed by the football team you got paid by? If so, and the club was a fully professional club in a professional league (pretty sure the EPL is a pro league) then how werent you? If not, the comparison is irrelevant surely?! |
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Post by heja on Dec 27, 2009 1:28:33 GMT
Merely being paid does not make you 'professional'. I got paid to play football for many years, yet I have never been a professional footballer. But it is their profession. Were you full time employed by the football team you got paid by? If so, and the club was a fully professional club in a professional league (pretty sure the EPL is a pro league) then how werent you? If not, the comparison is irrelevant surely?! the EPL is considered semi-pro league, yeah there are full time professionals but i also believe there are alot of players who work other jobs if you get paid for playing a sport but work another job you are semi pro |
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Post by howeaboutthat on Dec 27, 2009 8:54:24 GMT
Indeed, it is the semi-pro nature of the EPL that allows it to be considered by the IIHF as a 'developmental league'. The paid 'pros' help towards the hockey development of the unpaid and semi-pro players.
In my humble opinion though professionalism isn't just the dictionary defination of "paid to play sports". Its a desire to play at the highest levels of the sport, its the drive to succeed and the manner with which you carry and present yourself both when playing and off-ice. With these is mind, although Phoenix, through choosing to drop and ply their trade at a lower level and by the manner with which they handled it, could be considered less than professional the Panthers (and other teams in the EIHL) occassionally appear to have unprofessional flourishes too.
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