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Post by cdmogulski on Nov 30, 2009 14:29:38 GMT
Firstly congrats to the boys for the result yesterday!
I guess I must have penalties on the brain at the moment but am still frustated with the antics of our "coach".
Yesterday he picked up yet another penalty that cost us a goal and it certainly isn't the first of those this season.
It would be very interesting to see stats if they were ever created for most costly player to have on the team in terms of giving away penalties resulting in goals to the opposition.
How can a coach manage his team effectivly from the penalty box?
He is giving away far too many cheap penalties for me, why can't he just clean it up a bit or let others do more of the enforcing?
In our current position we can't grumble too much about the job he is doing as far as getting decent results, but why can't he just calm down or better still bench himself for a while to really manage the team and keep us in a more consistantly good form.
Im sure I can't be alone in this frustration!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2009 14:35:06 GMT
Firstly congrats to the boys for the result yesterday! I guess I must have penalties on the brain at the moment but am still frustated with the antics of our "coach". Yesterday he picked up yet another penalty that cost us a goal and it certainly isn't the first of those this season. It would be very interesting to see stats if they were ever created for most costly player to have on the team in terms of giving away penalties resulting in goals to the opposition. How can a coach manage his team effectivly from the penalty box? He is giving away far too many cheap penalties for me, why can't he just clean it up a bit or let others do more of the enforcing? In our current position we can't grumble too much about the job he is doing as far as getting decent results, but why can't he just calm down or better still bench himself for a while to really manage the team and keep us in a more consistantly good form. Im sure I can't be alone in this frustration! trust be you are not alone, its getting to be a thing of expectation now, hes that bad |
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Post by Unicorn on Nov 30, 2009 15:07:37 GMT
Firstly congrats to the boys for the result yesterday! I guess I must have penalties on the brain at the moment but am still frustated with the antics of our "coach". Yesterday he picked up yet another penalty that cost us a goal and it certainly isn't the first of those this season. It would be very interesting to see stats if they were ever created for most costly player to have on the team in terms of giving away penalties resulting in goals to the opposition. How can a coach manage his team effectivly from the penalty box? He is giving away far too many cheap penalties for me, why can't he just clean it up a bit or let others do more of the enforcing? In our current position we can't grumble too much about the job he is doing as far as getting decent results, but why can't he just calm down or better still bench himself for a while to really manage the team and keep us in a more consistantly good form. Im sure I can't be alone in this frustration! There is a signing session, straight after the game on the 13th. Why don`t you ask him yourself ? |
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Post by Yotes on Nov 30, 2009 15:24:44 GMT
There is a signing session, straight after the game on the 13th. Why don`t you ask him yourself ? You could say that about a huge number of threads that appear on here. Seems perfectly reasonable to discuss Neilson's regular trips to the bin for a lazy hook or slash without CD having to go an confront him in person. I actually thought when he was in the bin for fighting, and we got on the powerplay, the team put in a much improved effort. Seemed more energetic and imaginative, and I genuinely thought we might get something. So maybe every cloud.... |
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Post by buster on Nov 30, 2009 15:47:30 GMT
welcome to duplicate thread #34821.
why should he bench himself when he is one of the most experienced defencemen in the league and is still more than capable of doing his job more than adequately? i know i'd rather have him on the ice playing (this includes if he gets penalties) than in a suit on the bench.
so after matt myers debut in california, he took a penalty, cost his team a goal (and maybe the game) he was crowned a hero by some, why isnt it the same for nielson?
oh and asking him yourself is a great idea, i just think no-one would have the bottle to do so.
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Post by Doughnut on Nov 30, 2009 16:14:44 GMT
welcome to duplicate thread #34821. why should he bench himself when he is one of the most experienced defencemen in the league and is still more than capable of doing his job more than adequately? i know i'd rather have him on the ice playing (this includes if he gets penalties) than in a suit on the bench. so after matt myers debut in california, he took a penalty, cost his team a goal (and maybe the game) he was crowned a hero by some, why isnt it the same for nielson? oh and asking him yourself is a great idea, i just think no-one would have the bottle to do so. It's thread #10193. Neilson is one of the most experienced defense men in the league, and therefore shouldn't be compared to Myers on a like for like basis. "Corey, have you considered making use of the new rules to run things from the bench for a few games without us being an import D down? If so why did you decide against?" I don't see why bottle has anything to do with why those questions have/haven't been asked. I think bottle has no more to do with that than the reason why Corey hasn't come on the cage to answer his critics. |
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Post by asbo26 on Nov 30, 2009 16:16:16 GMT
In fairness to Cory, that particular penalty was a harsh call.
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Post by sanjosefan on Nov 30, 2009 16:19:40 GMT
Corey Neilson maybe an experienced player. He has 24 points for the season, and using Pete W's Panther site it states 12 of Neilson's points have been on the the powerplay. I'd like to see his plus minus stats as well.
I'd compare Neilson to the Oilers Sheldon Souray a good offensive defenceman who is key on their on the powerplay and is normally woeful when it comes to plus minus at the end of the season.
At the moment we are leaking alot of goals, I'd like to see the Neilson on the bench and dress Nick Toneys. As we have enough talent on the roster to supposedly have an effective powerplay.
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Post by Shorty on Nov 30, 2009 16:59:27 GMT
Is there a different view from the penalty box than the players benches?
People keep calling for him to step back and take a view of the game, but surely he gets just as good a view of the special team units from the penalty box..................
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Post by cdmogulski on Nov 30, 2009 17:49:26 GMT
welcome to duplicate thread #34821. why should he bench himself when he is one of the most experienced defencemen in the league and is still more than capable of doing his job more than adequately? i know i'd rather have him on the ice playing (this includes if he gets penalties) than in a suit on the bench. so after matt myers debut in california, he took a penalty, cost his team a goal (and maybe the game) he was crowned a hero by some, why isnt it the same for nielson? oh and asking him yourself is a great idea, i just think no-one would have the bottle to do so. It's thread #10193. Neilson is one of the most experienced defense men in the league, and therefore shouldn't be compared to Myers on a like for like basis. "Corey, have you considered making use of the new rules to run things from the bench for a few games without us being an import D down? If so why did you decide against?" I don't see why bottle has anything to do with why those questions have/haven't been asked. I think bottle has no more to do with that than the reason why Corey hasn't come on the cage to answer his critics. Thank you for that support Doughnut. I appreciate it! Buster. I dont for a second disagree with the fact that Corey is a great D man. But he can't be a player and great manager at the same time and see what is going on all over the ice. I have to agree with Doughnut, it isnt about bottle either as far as approaching him goes. Approaching Corey on the forum as, dare I say it, steelers are able to do with Dave Simms on Steelbleat would be less of a personal assault and would if done right be more respectful as he can answer tough questions and relay messages to Matsos. Getting into Coreys face about it at something like the signing on the 13th would I'm sure not help the mood of those that are there to have a good time, and Im sure would prove counter productive. but questions should be answered! I guess we may have to agree to disagree on a few matters Buster but believe me Im not just out simply for a bit of casual Corey bashing, I would just like to see him focus on one role at a time as I think he has too much on his plate and can't do both effectivly. |
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Post by spik on Nov 30, 2009 17:51:35 GMT
Some of you guys on the Cage were going to pen the +/- stats.Is this the cas? I wonder how it is going to date.
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Post by howeaboutthat on Nov 30, 2009 19:30:30 GMT
To be fair to Corey he has been called for some weak penalties this season and last night was more of the same. Richardson managed to get away with getting a drag tow down the ice in the 2nd period by quite blatantly hooking onto one of the Devil's players and managed to avoid taking a penalty. Although Corey does get called for some blatent penalties he seems to get called for a fair few soft ones.
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Post by iginla on Nov 30, 2009 20:01:54 GMT
Yes Corey does take a few too many maybe,however, you have to bear in mind that he sees a lot of ice time,probably 35 minutes a game,so he's bound to get more penalties than other guys playing 15-20 minutes a game.
Brucie ain't far behind him in the daft penalties at times either but i don't see the fans on his back ?
D'amour too,he takes a fair few stupid ones late in games,just like he did last night again.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 30, 2009 20:59:01 GMT
Yes Corey does take a few too many maybe,however, you have to bear in mind that he sees a lot of ice time,probably 35 minutes a game,so he's bound to get more penalties than other guys playing 15-20 minutes a game. You could sub the word "penalties" for "points" and that'd probably apply too. We wouldn't miss him for a game or two. |
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Post by grumpyminer on Dec 1, 2009 11:28:53 GMT
It's not just Neilson though. His assistant coach took two really dumb penalties on Sunday. Could have cost us the game. One was when we were attacking their goal. Bruce Ridiculous!!
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Post by Uppercut on Dec 2, 2009 17:06:03 GMT
after a lil bit of research, not as accurate as id like it to be but id estimate corey has cost us about 10 goals being in the penalty box, plus a penatly shot. its just a lil bit of research from ih-update, which obviously does not include some matches especially games from edinburgh.
Corey this season has has 50 penalty minutes if you dont include the fights.
so 50 minutes of minors in 27 games, means he averages a minor per game, unlucky or not he needs to compose himself or find a way of addapting to the faster attackers today.
on the plus side corey averages an assist every0.74 games
and a point every 0.89 games
so i guess hes still adds to the goals one way or another, only galbraith and gascon have more assists. no other defenceman we have gets near him on assists which makes its hard to decide whether or not he should be benched now.
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Post by Gareth (Gotham Panther) on Dec 2, 2009 17:17:18 GMT
I'd like to see the Neilson on the bench and dress Nick Toneys. If Nick Toney's can't dress himself, he should definitely go. |
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Post by Doughnut on Dec 2, 2009 17:31:45 GMT
on the plus side corey averages an assist every0.74 games and a point every 0.89 games That can't be right. That'd mean he has more assists than points. |
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Post by howeaboutthat on Dec 2, 2009 18:13:40 GMT
Its all very well and good using stats to try and show what the penalties Corey has been called for have cost the Panthers but considering the 'variable' nature of EIHL reffing its hardly the bottom line. How many times has Corey made a move that stopped an opposition player getting into a goal scoring position but in another game he has been called for a similar move?
Stats can only be used to prove/disprove the quantifiable, that is their limitation and why they shouldn't be used solely to support an arguement, hence the expression, "stats are used in the same way as a drunk uses a lamp post, for support rather than illumination".
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Post by NP on Dec 2, 2009 18:49:17 GMT
it is right according to the elite league site - 20 assists in 27 games = 0.74 assists per game on average.
points wise it is 24 in 27 so 0.89 average pts per game.
Interstingly enough Meyers only has 8 penalty minutes to Neilson 60 so far this season.
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Post by dub on Dec 3, 2009 16:17:50 GMT
I do not understand the calls for Corey Neilson to stop playing and remain on the bench to observe and coach. Despite the occasional mistake, he is one of our more skilled players offensively and he often rises to the occasion when other players do not. It is a compliment that the opposition target him. Without him on the ice, Panthers would lose a quarterback-style player, an effective blue-liner, and a more than adequate defenceman.
He obviously can analyse games by watching videos and talking to his players.
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