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Post by texpef on Nov 8, 2009 22:09:03 GMT
so a penalty shot won it... thanks hanson the first in any panthers game this season and how many times have panthers had a last man rush only to be pulled down and a minor penalty called BUT NO PENALTY SHOT... oh well cant balme KSP he let in two goals thats enough to give the team a chance to win it, shame our forwards competely underachieved with a single goal
I know the vipers are boring and kill off interest in games, but its effective look how much steelers won with it last season. Corey has lost 3 out of 4 games against these now (and the win was a last minute affair). He needs to find a way to break this system down and fast, teams tend to play this way against us already, if they think this is an effective method to beat us games will become very boring....
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Post by coxy100 on Nov 8, 2009 22:09:44 GMT
very proffesional response. I think someone may need to tell that numpty of an announcer is that away fans bring in revenue to a club that maybe struggling for income. Would you pay to be Sl****ed off?? I guess the comment about Vipers having to save up to visit the NIC last year was fine then? I'm not condoning what he said it was a completely unprofessional response to an unprofessional press release. He shouldn't have said those things and the Vipers are right to issue the statement they have. In all fairness, does one guy sour the whole game and represents the whole Vipers crowd? It's what everybody was thinking but the announcers should be pretty impartial. As far as I know guys who do this are not being paid to do so and that is no excuse, however,l I think comments should be taken with a pinch of salt. I agree though that it's not the best way to get away fans returning.
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Post by jambros1 on Nov 8, 2009 22:11:52 GMT
Just a quick thought ....
Before the start of the season during the scheduling negotiations I remember GM coming out and saying something along the lines of "we have been able to secure as many Saturday home games as possible".
Now I understand that Saturday home games suit most fans better and as a result are good for the club from a revenue perspective.
However
this means on 2 game weekends we often end up playing away on Sunday night as our second game, does this make 4 point weekends harder to come by? I don't know just a thought?
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Post by Shorty on Nov 8, 2009 22:11:56 GMT
It's not the first time the announcer has been taken to task, and it probably wont be the last.
I think our best chance of silverware this season is going to be the Challenge Cup, and maybe a good run at the playoffs.
We are far too inconsistent to put a serious challenge together for the league again.
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Post by ted on Nov 8, 2009 22:14:28 GMT
OK - looking at the text commentry we were awfull - no plan - played badly - sack the coach - send the rock back - change the whole team - there is a group of players just up the road why can't we sign them - league challenge now over - we may if we are lucky finish 4th or 5th - only 40 more games to go for us to salvage a little pride this season I hope this is sarcasm directed at that moron who was doing live updates. As for the announcer, its just a shame it took them this long to realise, I said before the game Im sure he would make some comment. I also said you (vipers) should be glad for every travelling penny fans bring. A press release is one thing to get fans fired up, but stoking opposition fans after a loss? apology not accepted. There were calls for ken to be sacked after he made a 'saving your giros' jibe a couple of seasons back, and that was from our own fans.
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Post by DWD on Nov 8, 2009 22:23:41 GMT
Firstly I'd like to thank all who took part in the text commentary. We had over 1,100 join us and am pleased to have you as part of it. My over all opinion of that game was that the Panthers shaded it in the play. Most possession, more time in the offensive zone etc etc. but the final pass and the shots were lacking in accuracy and some of the passing was well off the boil. I guess when you don't take your chances you don't win the game. On the penalty shot, as I said on the commentary, at first glance I didnt think it was, I've seen it again since on tape and I'll admit I was wrong. It was a clear Penalty shot, Berry being hauled down just at the slot when clear through for a shot on goal. Easy call for the linesman and ref to make. On the announcer, I had an arguement with a few Vipers fans after the game as I am also of the belief that a few of the comments (especially the last one that incited the fan to come down and challenge him) were a bit too far. They dont believe so, which is fine, but his comment at the end was uncalled for in that situation, fine for Rob Wilson etc to say it in a press release etc, but not for an MC to call it in front of the team when they've just beaten them. Poor show imho. On to a few of the comments at me about the commentary Don't worry kids, I dont take it to heart. I'd love to sit here and tell you I'm a professionally trained impartial journalist being paid to sit in the rink and relay the info back online. But I'm not. I'm just a punter like yourself, watching games between two teams of which neither I support, I have no love for the Vipers, and neither for the Panthers and have angered both sets of fans in years gone by with my in game comments, shouts chants and posts on here and on other forums. Mainly because thats who I am.. like many.. an opinionated fan of the game. So am I going to apologise for my comments? No, I am not. I respect everyones right to their opinion of what we produce, but basically what you are getting is my best attempt to give folk who arent at the game an idea of some of the action taking place within the match. We sometimes open the comments which my friend Marty in london is kind enough to handle to keep an interactive feel and allow folk to maybe get the odd question on whats going on in the rink. Usually I dont have time to answer, however at times I will. But to be frank, I'll answer with exactly the same opinion as I would in the pub after the game. I'm pleased and appreciative that so many of you took the time to comment and read the updates and I will take some of the more constructive criticism on board. The lesser constructive ones are fine too, I'll reserve my right to disagree. (the ones on spelling etc, I'm typing quickly on an iPhone so sometimes you'll have to take comments with a pinch of salt, the interface online isn't the most "user friendly") On Laroquce, Well my opinion was he was having a shocker of a game. for an example, no less than 4 times he had easy passes that he put directly on a Vipers stick killing any transitional play Panthers were trying to create. With a player of his status and the fanfare he was brought in with, thats just not good enough in a tight game like that. You may say "he's tired", that being the case then its the coaches responsibility to find a plan b. Because he was shifting a hell of a lot for someone who was "'tired". He had a shocker, you may not like that, but I called it like I saw it. And yes some of my remarks are snidey and tongue in cheek, but like I say, I'm a hockey fan, thats some of the nonsense I'll shout at games and yes it feeds into the updates sometimes but hey, I'm not an impartial journalist. So yeah, thanks for joining us on the updates. Most of the comments were positive and I appreciate that, I also appreciate the negative ones as you are entitled to an opinion, but dont worry, I got a thick skin They'll not stop me covering any other Panthers games I get a chance to do. And should you want to join us again for updates, you are most welcome. If not, mind how you go Paddy
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Post by oska on Nov 8, 2009 22:32:01 GMT
Great Post Paddy, as a Vipers fan I can honestly say that Paddy (DWD) is a pain in the backside on the NEICE forum and I've had run ins with him on his own Giants forum...but, I can also say that this guy is a genuine punter,an enthusiast of the game and does a sterling job with his live coverage. I've just read through his comments tonight and and don't see what your problem is other than the truth hurts sometimes! Good on ya DWD ~from a foam finger fan just to remember to look up the table,you will see us all waving our foam fingers and wedges of bank notes
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Post by rangers on Nov 8, 2009 22:36:45 GMT
what comment from Patrick upset you guys? all I could see was that he said larocque was having a bad game, giving the puck away. A couple of 'colour' comments but thats it. If thats what upsets panther fans then I'm not surprised Andy upset you. While not condoning it, Neilson - knowing our announcer - completely asked for it. He got what he deserved. Personally, something an announcer says would not upset me - I have to put up with worse at work, whatever they say - but I know others are more sensative so Andy was in the wrong. But would never chose not to go to an arena purely based on an announcer. It would have nothing to do with the decision. I assume that Panthers will appologise for the action of the fan that shoved andy - whatever he said, there are better, more mature ways to deal with it than that.
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Post by ggggranville on Nov 8, 2009 22:40:26 GMT
Just back from game so just a short resume. Our guys huffed and puffed all night long but didnt really threaten Robbo that often ( he probably would want our goal back too) Everything either high wide and handsome or straight at him. Sloppy first Vipers goal when we had time to clear the zone but failed. I think it was Toneys who was pick pocketed by Petricko who all alone skated through to score. The equaliser sort of came out of the blue Macca skating down the left and shooting across Robinson who got a glove to it but unable to prevent the goal. In the second chances were few and far between and after a concerted period of presssure from the Panthers there was a breakaway. Berry I believe was cerainly over the blue line being pursued by two Panthers defenders. From our position I thought it was Steve Lee (could be wrong) who dived in in an attempt to hook the puck away but succeeded in bringing down the forward. The penalty call seemed harsh and I believe may have been called by the lino. Berry put it away with aplomb. In the third the Panthers stepped it up but TBH we didnt look like scoring. As we left I heard the announcer spouting off regarding Corey's comments on Friday but didnt see misbehaviour. To me yet another poor performance away from the NIC. Having lost our last five road games and with out next four matches away from home our prospects do seem somewhat bleak.
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Post by Cardarelli27 on Nov 8, 2009 22:43:46 GMT
Not sure what things were said, but sounds very bad. Inciting the crowd is never a good thing especially after the distance travelled and monies spent by our fans which is helping the Vipers survive (which i bloody hope they do)
Mr Tyson at Forest got a big fine for inciting the Direby fans with the flag waving incident and that was just one slight silly move, but for fans to be getting it for the most of the night by the announcer is asking for trouble. Well done Newcastle for reacting quickly with the press statement and well done on a hard-fought victory and lets hope thats the end of it.
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Post by NottinghamMatt on Nov 8, 2009 22:48:58 GMT
what comment from Patrick upset you guys? all I could see was that he said larocque was having a bad game, giving the puck away. A couple of 'colour' comments but thats it. If thats what upsets panther fans then I'm not surprised Andy upset you. While not condoning it, Neilson - knowing our announcer - completely asked for it. He got what he deserved. Personally, something an announcer says would not upset me - I have to put up with worse at work, whatever they say - but I know others are more sensative so Andy was in the wrong. But would never chose not to go to an arena purely based on an announcer. It would have nothing to do with the decision. I assume that Panthers will appologise for the action of the fan that shoved andy - whatever he said, there are better, more mature ways to deal with it than that. I'll answer that one! We are the GMB Nottingham Panthers, you are the Mobilx Newcastle Vipers, Sheffield are the Field Electrical Steelers etc. You go anywhere else in the league and that is how you are announced onto the ice. Apparently not at the MRA. You get a beer swilling muppet (never seen any other announcer get through a pint a period!) either referring to us as 'big spending' or 'pussy cats'. Yawning 30 secs in when we iced the puck. Then his little 'I'd personally like to thank Corey Neilson' rant that Hanson put a stop to topped it all off with aplomb. If that's the response for a 300ish round trip and 50 quid spent with the Vipers organisation then the drive for 5 maybe better suited for the count of away supporters that they'll get! If someone shoved him that's not a shock tbh and as long as it wasn't a member of the Panthers org. then I see no reason for an apology from us. He's working in an official capacity then whether the statement says so or not his comments are on behalf of the Vipers organisation. Someone could quite easily of advised him to stop it at any point and they chose not to. I genuinely think that had Hanson not stopped him he would of continued his rant and we wouldn't of been thanked for our attendance etc. Which is completely and utterly classless. No wonder the crowds are dropping hey!
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Post by coxy100 on Nov 8, 2009 23:07:34 GMT
what comment from Patrick upset you guys? all I could see was that he said larocque was having a bad game, giving the puck away. A couple of 'colour' comments but thats it. If thats what upsets panther fans then I'm not surprised Andy upset you. While not condoning it, Neilson - knowing our announcer - completely asked for it. He got what he deserved. Personally, something an announcer says would not upset me - I have to put up with worse at work, whatever they say - but I know others are more sensative so Andy was in the wrong. But would never chose not to go to an arena purely based on an announcer. It would have nothing to do with the decision. I assume that Panthers will appologise for the action of the fan that shoved andy - whatever he said, there are better, more mature ways to deal with it than that. I'll answer that one! We are the GMB Nottingham Panthers, you are the Mobilx Newcastle Vipers, Sheffield are the Field Electrical Steelers etc. You go anywhere else in the league and that is how you are announced onto the ice. Apparently not at the MRA. You get a beer swilling muppet (never seen any other announcer get through a pint a period!) either referring to us as 'big spending' or 'pussy cats'. Yawning 30 secs in when we iced the puck. Then his little 'I'd personally like to thank Corey Neilson' rant that Hanson put a stop to topped it all off with aplomb. If that's the response for a 300ish round trip and 50 quid spent with the Vipers organisation then the drive for 5 maybe better suited for the count of away supporters that they'll get! If someone shoved him that's not a shock tbh and as long as it wasn't a member of the Panthers org. then I see no reason for an apology from us. He's working in an official capacity then whether the statement says so or not his comments are on behalf of the Vipers organisation. Someone could quite easily of advised him to stop it at any point and they chose not to. I genuinely think that had Hanson not stopped him he would of continued his rant and we wouldn't of been thanked for our attendance etc. Which is completely and utterly classless. No wonder the crowds are dropping hey! Utter garbage, yes, it was very unprofessional (as I mentioned before, however, what about the Panthers announcers dig at the Vipers insinuating that we were "skint". As for you saying you would condone somebody who uses physically intimidating behaviour ( I refrain from using the word assault as I didn't see it) that cannot be justified and that is really classless. As I said if Neilson hadn't had said those things the comment wouldn't have been said (not right but the way it is). You need to look closer to home to realise that your own organisation comes across as being arrogant and not very professional either. It's not the best way to get fans to return (at least the sensitive ones) but it was ill conceived banter and I'm sure comments will be better thought out in future. Anyway, that's just my view. It's tit for tat really and the majority of hockey fans are fine, there's always a minority. Really, I would be more worried with your coach resorting to things like this. He's clearly rattled and should be under pressure, along with a number of your players.
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Post by heja on Nov 8, 2009 23:30:49 GMT
They know they come accross as arrogant
Corey nielson has even go on record as say that he is probably the most cocky, arrogant person ever who thinks hes the best at everything.
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Post by NottinghamMatt on Nov 8, 2009 23:39:17 GMT
Utter garbage, yes, it was very unprofessional (as I mentioned before, however, what about the Panthers announcers dig at the Vipers insinuating that we were "skint". As for you saying you would condone somebody who uses physically intimidating behaviour ( I refrain from using the word assault as I didn't see it) that cannot be justified and that is really classless. As I said if Neilson hadn't had said those things the comment wouldn't have been said (not right but the way it is). You need to look closer to home to realise that your own organisation comes across as being arrogant and not very professional either. It's not the best way to get fans to return (at least the sensitive ones) but it was ill conceived banter and I'm sure comments will be better thought out in future. Anyway, that's just my view. It's tit for tat really and the majority of hockey fans are fine, there's always a minority. Really, I would be more worried with your coach resorting to things like this. He's clearly rattled and should be under pressure, along with a number of your players. Which bit of my post was garbage? I said it's not a shock if someone gave him a shove, never said it was right, just that the Panthers fans are not acting in an official capacity therefore no real cause for the Panthers to issue an apology. Maybe you would care to re-read that and tell me where I condoned it? You keep coming back to the one bit of banter that you had to endure at the NIC. I seem to recall Ken being made to apologise in the next period break and he's never done anything like it since. Whereas your announcer has form for this so far this season against us and comes from the same organisation that did little to justify the playing of 'jump around' a few years back when David Clarke was seriously injured and laying on the ice (not sure if it was the same bloke!) At no point did I either say that the Panthers org is perfect, however our arrogant and unprofessional organisation doesn't seem to struggle to fill our rink. Or that we deserved to win, or that there aren't problems for us to discuss or anything else. I was replying to the issue with the completely classless employee of the Newcastle Vipers organisation which leave a rather bitter taste in the mouth having travelled a 300 mile round trip to line the pockets of the club.
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Post by TheBeefBurger on Nov 8, 2009 23:41:30 GMT
At the end before the MOM's the announcer said "I would like to say thank you to Corey Neilson and his Vipers team talk" or something along those lines. This was obviously a dig at Neilsons interview. Hanson skated over to where the announcer stands behind the net and pretty much told him to keep his comments to himself. The players did the MOM's and left the ice. There were 3 Panthers fans that came down to him the first was a woman who gave him the finger wag and the man she was with gave him a mouth full. The 3rd person was a man who came down from over the blocked off seating behind and went up to the announcer and started screaming in his face before shoving the announcer and storming off.
The comment by the announcer was not really a bright idea to say to traveling fans especially when there struggling with attendances. The fan who shoved the announcer should be ashamed.
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Post by sparta on Nov 9, 2009 15:45:12 GMT
This live text commentary is appalling. Who is 'Patrick' Good job you weren't around in the days before the internet and mobile phones when you to wait for the scores on teletext and still not be certain they were right. LMFAO!!
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Post by Adam on Nov 9, 2009 15:59:15 GMT
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