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Post by jd on Mar 31, 2024 23:31:41 GMT
Sam Herr, Ontario Reign 18/19. +/- of -26 Bloody good job no-one tried to bring him to the Panthers for the 19-20 season! Iggy would have been crying bloody murder. Oh no, wait a minute... Or Spencer Naas this year: 32G + 24A for a +/- of... 0. Hands up anyone who wouldn't take Naas (another player like Roy yet to take a single penalty all season!) as a potential Panther next year based on his oh so unimpressive +/-? Exactly. If Jagr could score 57 points in a rookie NHL season but still end up - on the +/- I'm surprised anybody would take a punt on him long term. In fact they might have wanted to listen to the +/- naysayers as he had five NHL seasons with a negative +/- Similarly Crosby has had a 100pt+ season and still ended up on a negative +/-. Anyone seriously asking people to judge players largely on +/- needs their head examined. Or to watch some hockey. It's the bluntest of blunt tools and the equivalent of recording only how far someone can throw the javelin in an Olympic final and deciding not to bother about recording wind speed and direction. Because how could they possibly be relevant?? Ah yes the very same Sam Herr that had good or decent +\- stats in virtually every other season than the one you’ve picked. How very,very convenient that is. And they say I’m the one who uses stats only when the narrative suits ! Haha 🤣🤣 He was only positive in 1 of his previous 5 seasons before joining us. Just wondered, have you managed to work out what that spin was that you mentioned around Pare’s signing?
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Post by jd on Mar 31, 2024 22:05:25 GMT
Sadly, as I've calculated, rather than just parroted the EIHL figures, Panthers "best" D man this season for "+/- per 60 ice time" (if you don't like pure +/- this is surely at least a little better) is... Have a guess... Tetlow? Last season in Finland he was +11 Previous to that -11 with panthers, on a poor panthers team again
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Post by jd on Mar 31, 2024 19:16:13 GMT
Now he's got it to look at, he can use it when it suits his agenda. Well, except where Tetlow's concerned, but that's just an irrational hatred. When you don't attend any games, you need to latch onto the stats as they're all you've got. I thought Tetlow played a solid game last night. There was one bobbling puck in the second he didn’t control which led to a breakaway which Hazeldine did well to get back for. Other than that, the pair of them worked well together. I do like the speed with which Tetlow passes the puck. Gives it quite a rip, so much so that the recipient sometimes struggles to control it. But that’s not Josh’s fault. Few more players I’d be more concerned about before Tetlow tbh. And totally agree about the passing, he doesn’t mess about
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Post by jd on Mar 31, 2024 17:34:30 GMT
+/- really is your new favourite hobby horse you love to ride at the minute isn’t it That and spin apparently! Still hasn’t answered the question.
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Post by jd on Mar 31, 2024 15:34:42 GMT
Go on then. I will bite. Why has the defence tightened up? Not because they’re playing lower end teams, there must be a cynical reason. Playing for new contracts is my guess. I think he's suggesting it's been since Neill has been out. I’m still looking for that spin around Pare’s signing that he mentioned. Still can’t find it
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Post by jd on Mar 30, 2024 22:31:04 GMT
Was surprised at how poor they were And that's also why it's importantant not to get to excited after that. We played 2 solid periods after a great first, but they were that bad. 100%
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Post by jd on Mar 30, 2024 21:49:05 GMT
Easy work. Dominated from start to finish. Could’ve been 7 or 8 Indeed. Great atmosphere faded after the 1st because it was all to easy. Clearly it was the leagues current worst team?, but a very proffesional performance all the same. Was surprised at how poor they were
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Post by jd on Mar 30, 2024 21:48:34 GMT
If you played 6 Brits though you’d have to sit 2 imports to keep the roster to 20. Yep. 1 would have to sit anyway. I'd consider sitting Tetlow for 5 import D, but if not then id sit Welsh and keep Kelsall in. I’d sit Lemay or Welsh.
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Post by jd on Mar 30, 2024 21:28:45 GMT
Good win that! westin didn’t ice in the 3rd - hope it’s just precautionary
Can see why Lemay has the worst +- in the league
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Post by jd on Mar 29, 2024 14:29:47 GMT
I’ll look forward to you all welcoming Pare back next season seeing as he’s rated so highly. Every team needs a top notch power forward like him ! 🤣🙄 You found that spin yet Dave?
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Post by jd on Mar 29, 2024 12:27:12 GMT
He might be the best face off man in the team but that’s not saying much and he’s a crap player. He’s lost almost as many face offs as he’s won,not exactly great stats... Now who's using classic spin? Hahahaha the irony. Knew he wouldn’t be able to show any spin……cos it didn’t exist!
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Post by jd on Mar 28, 2024 22:16:42 GMT
Top result. Did Pare get benched or something else? Only played 6:10? No, but he was put down to 4th line with Lunsjo. I did nearly have a heart attack near the end with around 1m30s left when we had an offensive zone face off and of all people Lemay was in the circle. Strange call. Pare has really gone off these last few weeks. Agreed. 6:10 is shocking though, needs to be playing way more than that
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Post by jd on Mar 28, 2024 21:37:30 GMT
Win and a shutout, 2 things I didn’t think we’d get tonight. Fab result, so glad I was wrong
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Post by jd on Mar 28, 2024 15:39:03 GMT
Just cant see us winning, I do hope I am wrong
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Post by jd on Mar 27, 2024 14:05:02 GMT
By the last two games though Bob the Storm could have nothing left to play for other than possibly whether they are 4th or 5th. Are you putting a tenner on Wenninger being in Belfast next year or Sheffield if Greenfield didn’t come back ? Have you seen Besko’s dramatic drop off this year in Belfast,he’s miles behind Whistle,a worse Svs % than even Rok. Maybe. Of course I have. No-one called Besko's drop off, though, did they? Same as no-one called Weninger as being the boss goalie in a league where his team were predicted by the "experts" to be basically fighting for a play off spot. It can be a very unpredictable sport. I wonder why Whistle doesn't play more?
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Post by jd on Mar 27, 2024 13:53:27 GMT
"Corey didn’t sack Meyers, he was told he had to go by the club hierarchy for an indiscretion just like Levers was" So Levers wasn't told to go then? Your splitting wording hairs again JD,I’ve told you they were both sacked. One by the club and the other by Corey. Just wanted clarification again Iggy, your initial posts weren't clear again.
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Post by jd on Mar 27, 2024 13:39:00 GMT
"Corey didn’t sack Meyers, he was told he had to go by the club hierarchy for an indiscretion just like Levers was"
So Levers wasn't told to go then?
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Post by jd on Mar 27, 2024 12:54:41 GMT
Corey also made the decision to sack Meyers and get Weaver - which seemed very harsh at the time but worked out ok in the end Levers was a good player but like you say, 0 points and he went down a league after that. Corey didn’t sack Meyers,he was told he had to go by the club hierarchy for an indiscretion just like Levers was. So why did you say it was Corey's decision to sack Levers?! "Yes rather reminiscent of Marc Levers. An under rated player who always gave his all,wins the league then gets sacked,what a great decision by Corey ! 🙄"
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Post by jd on Mar 27, 2024 11:12:06 GMT
Had the opportunity to upgrade to Farmer/Boxill in 13/14, and did so. Decisions like that are made in sport all the time. IIWII. Heart and soul yes, but the facts are that 70 league, cup and playoff games passed without a single goal that season. I'm sure you'd be all over a player with those kind of stats these days, no matter how much he grafted? And I don't think anyone has "sacked" Kelsall yet? Corey also made the decision to sack Meyers and get Weaver - which seemed very harsh at the time but worked out ok in the end Levers was a good player but like you say, 0 points and he went down a league after that.
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Post by jd on Mar 27, 2024 6:48:27 GMT
If you go to games and actually see them play, it also helps lol
Neill is a quality player, just watch him play and you will see it
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Post by jd on Mar 25, 2024 13:06:01 GMT
If Sheffields roster cost the same as panthers then it proves panthers recruitment policy is shocking and they don't do their due diligence etc. Using injuries is just a excuse , every year panthers have injury issues it ain't bad luck Steelers get bad injuries too but they bring in cover asap to cover these so they ain't playing short.. I've not known them to have one fit import d man on the roster Welcome back to the forum, Pidge.. Hahahaha I did wonder when he'd be back
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Post by jd on Mar 25, 2024 11:54:48 GMT
But Sheffield are defo spending more than us this season. Just look at the line up, anyone can see that. Not sure I agree. Steelers don't have anyone with the pedigree of AJ, Caruso or Despres (not a single NHL game on their roster), and don't really have anyone for me, who screams "ridiculously expensive player" or "too good for this league". They've got a roster of all kinds of players with CVs very like Panthers have had in the last few years. Last seasons in Denmark, Finland, Sweden, ECHL etc. Balmas was a great pick up late in the day, he's been a difference maker, as has the "past it" Vallerand. They've built a core of returnees (Neumann, Nevalainen, Ciampini, Allen, Greenfield) and improved the other spots. The difference is, they've all "fired" this year. Not a single dud on their roster. Scoring from all areas, a great D and the best netminder in the league. And they've been largely injury free. That makes a huge difference too. They took us apart on the 27th December, they were superb, the best visiting EIHL performance I've ever seen. You can be bitter all you like, they've been the best team all year. No bitterness from me at all, just jealous they have an owner who will make sure they're always competing. Vallerand is a quality player, always scores, 239 points in 200 games in the EIHL. Has scored 34, 26, 26 and 24 goals so far in full seasons here. Watling was such a good pickup, Balmas i would guess has exceeded expectations, Saucerman, Juusola, Ciampini has been quality and then you add Dowd. Not forgetting to mention Greenfield, 92.9 SV% and 1.91 GAA. Theyve won 85% of league games. I rate Depres, sadly McGuty, Ryczek and Caruso havent been great imo. Rok has been so inconsistent its unreal, losing Robinson when we did was awful timing. Lemay has scored 9 goals this calendar year. Welsh has been out but has still only scored once. They've given Fox time and the resources. I cant see JP coming back, or Omar (unless NB is happy with the cash he's made). So we could be looking at another rebuild but with the one person staying who I'd love to leave. AJ's death was horrific and has had a massive influence on this team, no doubt - how Otto has kept playing is beyond me. But we've been stale for years and until Neil goes I cant see that changing.
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Post by jd on Mar 24, 2024 19:46:44 GMT
If they’re paying £12,500 a week for that roster then fair play. I just don’t see it. Dowd must be pushing £1000 a week Sheffields number one consideration is to pretty near fill their arena every game with ‘paying’ fans and spend what they have to to do that. If your owner is a genuine fan it’s an excellent business model One day I hope we get that. Sad that ours isn’t like that
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Post by jd on Mar 24, 2024 18:47:15 GMT
Amazing effort that. If we are now 4 d men and Neilson down for the rest fi the season I just don’t see us getting in the top 8
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Post by jd on Mar 24, 2024 18:37:07 GMT
Just like you I have no idea what he earns, if the wage cap is £12,500 or even exists. But Sheffield are defo spending more than us this season. Just look at the line up, anyone can see that. You would think so but from stats and CV’s it doesn’t really look like it,they’re just very solid top to bottom. I’ve only seen one player get much but not a lot of criticism from their fans and that is Saucerman. If they’re paying £12,500 a week for that roster then fair play. I just don’t see it. Dowd must be pushing £1000 a week
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