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Post by Fraggle on Mar 20, 2008 14:21:45 GMT
Great news!!! The coverage of F1 has steadily got more and more annoying over recent seasons. The only person with less personality than Martin Brundle is Mark Blundell. PLEASE don't have him on BBC1 coverage. James Allen is either really, really patronising or a complete half wit, can't decide which. As for that muppet (in a wig?) that always does a piece to camera in front of a fired up F1 engine.... bring back Jim. Most of all I miss Tony Jardine - he really knew his stuff, had a personality and was just great. I will accept Martin Brundle staying on in commentary (and doing the grid walks) though, if he gets paired with somebody with a personality AND a brain. Surely they can't be that hard to find I pray that the beeb wont be showing any more of Ecclestone's daughter hanging around with teams either - seriously, behind the scenes stuff is often interesting, fun etc - but not when there's some giggly school girl type doing it - horrendous Ferrari piece in the F1 preview! Anyway I'm stepping off my soap box now, just had to get that off my chest. Oh, 1 last thing - how many times per race do we need to have 'tyre graining' explained to us?
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Post by Milkman™ on Mar 20, 2008 14:21:50 GMT
I'd take the adverts over a shoddy, ill produced, badly commentated product.
A regular slot not manipulated by twatting round the ice in a frock, make me a star with some puff presenting type thing.
I still have not forgiven the beeb for stealing the Chalenge Cup from us down in Docklands.
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Post by sunbeam on Mar 21, 2008 14:51:18 GMT
itv had a simple choice - F1 or UCL football. Bit of a no-brainer really. The Beeb gets back F1 where all but 3 of the races are out of prime time and itv1 will continue to show the UCL. It should be noted that itv will only have one Wednesday game per week now and sky have all the others. So in effect sky are the real winners. www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/mar/20/itv.sportsrights
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Post by LUFC on Mar 22, 2008 16:05:28 GMT
Silly rookie mistake by the two young McLaren drivers, taking race lines on their pit returns during qualifying when people were on their fast laps. Both 5 places back, From 3rd for kova and 4th for Hamilton, putting them back to 8th and 9th. Still they couldnt match the speed of the ferrari, perhaps in the race they can pull some magic tricks and compete.
As for the BBC getting the sport back. Hope their coverage is better than their football. It's like watching football back in the late 90's when bbc have matches. Then you move to Itv abit better, then Sky are just superb. I will get seriously angry at the bbc and let them know if coverage is poor.
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Post by Luca Toni on Apr 19, 2008 16:57:08 GMT
The ITV team do a superb job, their coverage is excellent Brundle IS a legend. Even the adverts aren't too damaging to some processionary races, although that may change this season with traction control gone. Especially as it seems the Ferrari boys struggled without it in Oz. Hope that Brundle can blag a contract at the Beeb. ITV do a superb job compared to what? When you see what the viewers in other places get access to (full coverage of practice and qualifying plus the race and ALL uninterrupted) ITV's coverage is rescued from nonentity only by the fact that previously the BBC's was even worse. But sports broadcasting in general has changed beyond recognition in the last 15-20 years. Setting aside the personalities involved, I would be amazed if the BBC don't step up to the plate and advance the coverage again on this one. And for the record I watch the uninterrupted German coverage, listen to Brundle's gridwalk and then the German commentary.
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Post by oldman on Jun 7, 2008 18:12:37 GMT
back to the action great final qualifying lap by lewis in canada!Kubica must be sick?
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Post by Doughnut on Jun 9, 2008 9:09:36 GMT
back to the action great final qualifying lap by lewis in canada!Kubica must be sick? chuckle
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Post by rangers on Jun 9, 2008 9:28:15 GMT
Highlight of the race? Massa's overtake on Rubens and Heikki. Certainly the Best move I have seen for at least 11 years (irvines round the outside on Michael and Jaques at Suzuka 97), and probably the best I have seen in nearly 20 years watching the sport. Hakkinens on Micheal at Spa (with zonta in the middle) doesnt even come close.
Well done Kubica tho.
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Post by Kadie on Jun 23, 2008 17:37:57 GMT
Oo I'm glad theres an F1 thread on here, as I've got a question & I wasn't sure where to go...basically are drivers allowed to overtake in the pit lane?? 'cause me and my family have been keen followers of F1 for many years (even before Hamilton) & we're convinced its not allowed & results in a penalty otherwise. Well if this is the case - why wasn't Raikkonen penalised at Montreal following the 'pile-up' in the pit lane? as I'm sure he was overtaking Kubica before they had to stop at the lights. I'm not saying this 'cause Hamilton got penalised as I think that it was a fair call by the FIA, and I'm glad they included Rosberg too, but it seems to me that its one rule for Ferrari & another for the others...its really starting to ruin F1 for me to be honest
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Post by loonypeter on Jun 24, 2008 0:30:21 GMT
Oo I'm glad theres an F1 thread on here, as I've got a question & I wasn't sure where to go...basically are drivers allowed to overtake in the pit lane?? 'cause me and my family have been keen followers of F1 for many years (even before Hamilton) & we're convinced its not allowed & results in a penalty otherwise. Well if this is the case - why wasn't Raikkonen penalised at Montreal following the 'pile-up' in the pit lane? as I'm sure he was overtaking Kubica before they had to stop at the lights. I'm not saying this 'cause Hamilton got penalised as I think that it was a fair call by the FIA, and I'm glad they included Rosberg too, but it seems to me that its one rule for Ferrari & another for the others...its really starting to ruin F1 for me to be honest Im not 100% sure but from what i understand, the drivers are allowed to line up side by side when the red light is on then drag race out of the pit lane when they get the green light - i believe this has happened on a few occaisions in the past although obviously not that often. I suppose actually overtaking in the pit lane would be pretty impossible with the speed limiter on but im not all that sure if it would be illegal. In Montreal both the penalties to Hamilton and Rosberg where perfectly fair imo, i actually thought Rosberg got off a touch lightly - reversing in the pit lane, under any circumstances, is a BIG no no! At Magny Cours i thought Hamliton was a touch unlucky to get the drive through penalty but it was one of those 50/50 calls, he probably did just about deserve it (although i was fuming at the time!) + Heiki was very unlucky with his 5 place grid drop imo, he probably would have got 3rd without it. I have no idea why Kimi didnt get black flagged for that exaust, that could have easily killed another driver or a spectator had it flown off at a different time!
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Post by rangers on Jun 24, 2008 12:08:17 GMT
It should have been a black and orange flag for Ferrari to fix the exhaust- no question about that. The Hamilton penalty in Magny Cours was well deserved - if he had been going at the speed needed to make the chicane, then he would not have been able to overtake. Simple as that. The camera angle shown was not great, but i am told that it was very clear from other angles. Overtaking as such is not really allowed in the pits, but if cars are racing from their box it is the 'lolipop man's choice on when it is safe and when it is not.
Of course Lewis and Nico deserved the penalties in Canada. Schoolboy errors.
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Post by loonypeter on Jun 24, 2008 23:55:34 GMT
It should have been a black and orange flag for Ferrari to fix the exhaust- no question about that. The Hamilton penalty in Magny Cours was well deserved - if he had been going at the speed needed to make the chicane, then he would not have been able to overtake. Simple as that. The camera angle shown was not great, but i am told that it was very clear from other angles.Overtaking as such is not really allowed in the pits, but if cars are racing from their box it is the 'lolipop man's choice on when it is safe and when it is not. Of course Lewis and Nico deserved the penalties in Canada. Schoolboy errors. Although i err on the side of agreeing with you that it probably was a fair penalty i dont think it was as clear cut as you say. Hamilton had completed the overtaking move before the chicane + if the driver in front of vettel (Coulthard i think) hadnt been there Hamilton would have taken the chicane despite maybe running wide and giving vettel a chance of taking the place back (although i suspect he wouldnt have bothered). Obviously, as it was, Coulthard was there - so Hamilton should have waited for another overtaking opertunity or given the place back just to be safe. I bet Lewis is fustrated though! In Canada he causes an avoidable accident and gets penalised, then in France he maneges to swerve out of the way in time to avoid the accident then still gets penalised!
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Post by loonypeter on Jul 4, 2008 11:49:23 GMT
The British GP will be held at Donington from 2010! LinkShame to lose Silverstone from the calendar but im happy with it - means i have more chance of getting down there with it being much closer
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Post by Fraggle on Jul 4, 2008 12:44:53 GMT
Great news that the GP is coming back to Donington, we will get F1 testing here too then I guess - bonus! Coulthard is being lined up on the Beeb's commentary team from next season, that should liven things up Massa went fastest in practice this morning but then binned his car quite spectacularly after skidding on oil from Alonso. Massa is fine but not his car! Oh and apparently Bernie has made up with old mate Herr Mosley
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Post by Carnell on Jul 4, 2008 13:35:46 GMT
Really pleased that the GP will be heading to Donington, great for the local area
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Post by rangers on Jul 4, 2008 13:46:12 GMT
While nothing will ever beat the 93 race at Donnington (at any circuit anywhere in the world), it is great that Grand Prix is back at Donnington. A fantastic circuit - other than Eau Rouge and The Corkscrew, is there a better sequence of corners in the world than the Craners? I doubt it. DC as a commentator would prob end Brundles chances - although as MB is DCs manager, DC might replace Blundell (Please, anyone replace Blundell - or even better, the useless, pathetic prat ted Kravits. He knows nothing about F1 at all.)
If Ferrari can get Massa's car fixed, he should be favourite. He has had kimis number all season, and most of last season. He just lacked a bit of luck. If Massa beats Kimi in the next couple of races, Ferrari will have to go all out to back the Brazilian, especially if Lewis or Robert start getting a few results.
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Post by rangers on Jul 6, 2008 14:41:24 GMT
Wow, what a race! Just shows what a genius Ross Brawn is - and how great Rubens is in the wet. A truely incredible drive from Rubi! best of his career so far. So proud to be a Rubens supporter today.
Lewis was ok too...
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Post by Doughnut on Jul 10, 2008 8:43:15 GMT
Gutted my recorder failed me for the race on Sunday! Does anyone have a recording I could borrow?
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Post by grumpyminer on Jul 10, 2008 10:09:15 GMT
Gutted my recorder failed me for the race on Sunday! Does anyone have a recording I could borrow? You could try This
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Post by Doughnut on Aug 27, 2008 9:40:23 GMT
Just wondered what opinions people had on Massa's pit lane 'incident' the other day.
As it was the lollypop guy not Massa who was at fault, my own view is that it's right that Massa wasn't penalised, but that a penalty against the team may have been warranted. Having said that, I don't disagree with the decision not to penalise the team either. Watching the replay on ITV's website, it was pretty much a nothing incident and that kind of thing happens quite often, I reckon the commentators made a much bigger deal of it than necessary because there wasn't much else going on in the race.
Disclaimer: I am a Ferrari fan, but am trying to be unbiased.
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Post by rangers on Aug 27, 2008 10:13:00 GMT
Just wondered what opinions people had on Massa's pit lane 'incident' the other day. As it was the lollypop guy not Massa who was at fault, my own view is that it's right that Massa wasn't penalised, but that a penalty against the team may have been warranted. Having said that, I don't disagree with the decision not to penalise the team either. Watching the replay on ITV's website, it was pretty much a nothing incident and that kind of thing happens quite often, I reckon the commentators made a much bigger deal of it than necessary because there wasn't much else going on in the race. Disclaimer: I am a Ferrari fan, but am trying to be unbiased.Correct. There was never going to be any penalty. To do so would have been very harsh. Especially as there was no advantage - if it had been for a race place then maybe they would have issued something, but as the other car in question was a back marker (powered by Ferrari engines) there was no chance of a penalty. At the time I didn't see what all the fuss was about, and I still don't. Ok, championship wise I am backing Massa, and have been since the start of last year, but I have seen more than enough F1 over the past 15-20 years to know that was MB and JA clinging to the hope of a Lewis win
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Post by loonypeter on Aug 27, 2008 23:44:39 GMT
Just wondered what opinions people had on Massa's pit lane 'incident' the other day. As it was the lollypop guy not Massa who was at fault, my own view is that it's right that Massa wasn't penalised, but that a penalty against the team may have been warranted. Having said that, I don't disagree with the decision not to penalise the team either. Watching the replay on ITV's website, it was pretty much a nothing incident and that kind of thing happens quite often, I reckon the commentators made a much bigger deal of it than necessary because there wasn't much else going on in the race. Disclaimer: I am a Ferrari fan, but am trying to be unbiased.Im a McLaren fan and i wouldnt disagree with anything you said there. The pit lane is still classed as part of the race track so i dont see why teams should have to let anyone pass before they come out, as long as they dont actually cause an accident in doing so. I have to say i was very disapointed with the circuit overall, it really was incredibly boring! I cant remember seeing more than 1 or 2 overtaking moves in the entire race! This is looking like its going to be a decent fight between Massa and Hamilton for the WDC - i wont completely rule out Raikonnen but im not convinced he's even bothered at the moment
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Post by Doughnut on Aug 28, 2008 8:07:27 GMT
This is looking like its going to be a decent fight between Massa and Hamilton for the WDC - i wont completely rule out Raikonnen but im not convinced he's even bothered at the moment I agree it looks likely to be down to Massa and Hamilton but of all the drivers out there at the moment Raikonnen would be the last one I'd rule out of a last minute come back until he's mathematically out of it. He's good at Spa and all it takes is a win there and for Massa to be struck by the curse of the Ferrari con rod and Kimi is back in front of Massa. There's still 6 races to go, almost anything can happen yet. Not that I like Kimi, I'd much rather Massa win it. I just think Kimi's a better driver.
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Post by rangers on Aug 28, 2008 9:08:45 GMT
My money is staying on Massa - I said it at the start of the season, and there is no question he is the form driver at the moment. He deserves a bit of luck, and I reckon he will get it. As someone who has supported Brazilian drivers since 1991, it would be great to see Massa win
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Post by Wirral Panther on Aug 28, 2008 18:11:38 GMT
I was reading an article today that states that, Raikonnen would be prepared to play second fiddle to massa for the rest of the season and help him win the title. Sorry i don`t have the article for you, but i can`t do the link thing. I am a big hamilton fan though and am backing him for the title. I have been a huge f1 fan since i was 5 years old and have always backed the brits.
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