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Post by Adam on Apr 30, 2006 18:11:51 GMT
You on glue? Thats like me saying that to you for every player you slag off and moan at... If I moaned with silly comments comparing someone to a Lamppost them maybe so. At the end of the day it's irrelevent what you or i or anyone things of Crouch because the sad state of affairs is, apart from Owen and Rooney, we don't have any top class players who are good enough to make an impact on the world cup. and it's because of the lack of quality that a player like crouch is likely to be in the England squad. He brings something that no one else does. The likes of Defoe and Vassell are better players than Crouch IMO but they are too similar to Owen and Rooney so if those two aren't getting us the goals then we need something different. I see what your saying.. but personally i would take James Beattie over Crouch anyday he can do exactly the same job as Crouch does hold the ball up and lay it off etc. James is more of a goal scoring threat than Crouch is and for me he puts a lot more effort in.. One thing that gets me about Crouch he's 6'7" and gets pushed off the ball far to easy. Sorry Crouch is just not international quality for me its Beattie for that role.
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Post by barnsleyfan on Apr 30, 2006 20:37:01 GMT
looks like he might of pulled some of the tendons of what ever it is in his foot Well that's kind of what I've done and it's been 3 months out and I'm still struggling to kick a ball. Looks like a fractured metatarsal is less of a problem unless it's like last time he did it. And meh...agree about Crouch!
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Post by newham on Apr 30, 2006 22:01:33 GMT
Last time i checked the squad had not been named yet! Have i missed something? Sorry Crouch is about as good as a lamp post.. He also looks like one! You could only dream of being as good as him. He's one of the best English forwards around. He wouldn't have been called up to play for his country otherwise. Didn't Michael Ricketts play for England?
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Post by newham on Apr 30, 2006 22:03:04 GMT
look at the top 3 English Goal scorers (strikers that is) EXCLUDING Owen and Rooney Bent 18 Harewood 14 James Battie 11 and Crouch has only 7 league goals this year and 5 in cup and europe games, so does his offer? Also Crouch has better player to create more so he scores easier goals than Bent, Harewood and Beattie. Also falls over everything, looks like Hermin Munster his got no pace no vison. Like the post about a lamp post Shea, althoguh Lamp posts do their job properley with all due respect, you'd know that being a striker in football isn't always about scoring goals. Crouch lays goals on for his partner so often. He has to go to the world cup, if not for his variety than anything else.
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Post by Higgy on May 1, 2006 1:52:08 GMT
Crouchie is a top player, he should be on that plane to Germany!
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Post by dodyfan13 on May 1, 2006 7:53:26 GMT
he'll be back
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Post by andyd on May 1, 2006 11:44:04 GMT
If Crouch wasn't 6' 7 he wouldn't be a Premiership footbaler let alone an England international.
I'm sorry but people are blinded by his height, he's cumbersome, is an extremely poor finisher, is very weak in the air for someone of his size and falls over a lot. Yes, the fact he is so big and cumbersome makes him difficult to play against but it doesn't make him a good player.
The likes of Bent and Harewood should, IMO, be in the queue in front of him but I agree that he is a different "option" to have around, ufortunately I'd also say that he simply isn't good enough.
Let me pose one question Kimberley...if he wasn't a Liverpool player would you hold the same view? I know I've held my thoughts on him throughout his entire career seeing him at QPR, Southampton, Villa and now Liverpool.
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Post by Kimberley on May 1, 2006 12:02:48 GMT
The honest answer is yes. I liked him last seaso at southampton, when there were rumours in the summer that he might sign for Liverpool I was really excited at the prospect. More so than the rumours of Micheal Owen, yes he is proven goal scorer and an anfield legend but my heart was saying he left. He didn't think that Liverpool were a good enough team to win anything well he was right Liverpool weren't a good enough team they relied too heavily on him and the other players were lazy for it. The realiseation that he might not get picked for England because he wasn't starting games prompted him to move back. He thought he could just slot back in and be a first choice striker again. This is why i didn't want him back we had cisse, and morientes and the balance wouldn't have been right. With Crouch Liverpool have a good balance he playes better with players who can makes runs and get on the end of short balls provided by him. For the record I also liked Heskey in this role he didn't score as many goals as he should and missed glaring chances but he was a good partner. This season unlike others Liverpool have been lucky they have had their offensive players in slumps and missing sitters but never once; with the exception of morientes; has their confidence and willingness to try something waivered. look at Crouch when he wasn't scoring he was still getting into the chances he wasn't hiding on the pitch. Look at Owen as an example out of form he barely gets many touches of the ball. I don't expect to change anyone opions of crouch but what i will say is they chances of him making the world cup squad have been improved by the fact that when he as been on the international stage he has done the job the same cannot be said of some of the other England frindge players. rant over sorry for boring anyone.
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Post by belak on May 1, 2006 18:20:43 GMT
You could only dream of being as good as him. He's one of the best English forwards around. He wouldn't have been called up to play for his country otherwise. Didn't Michael Ricketts play for England? Yup and he never did anything of note. Some players are great domestic players but can't translate that onto the international stage. Ian Wright & Andrew Cole are other examples
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Post by DoUrden on May 1, 2006 18:24:56 GMT
Didn't Michael Ricketts play for England? Yup and he never did anything of note. Some players are great domestic players but can't translate that onto the international stage. Ian Wright & Andrew Cole are other examples But Cole and Wright were great Club players! Ricketts is just the exception to the rule, god knows how he ever got capped.
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Post by Rob #12 on May 1, 2006 18:28:54 GMT
I had the same opinion as you Andy until I saw Crouch play for Southampton against us last season, when they demolished us 3-0 at their place. I saw the potential the guy had as Harry used to play him in the right role. That is why he scored a decent amount in a Southampton shirt.
When Rafe wanted him for us, I thought okay, but there must be better players than him. I gave him a chance though and I am glad to say that Rafa's gamble paid off. Watching him a lot this season, on Tv and in the flesh, I have noticed for a big player he excellent touch and vision.
He can hold the ball up for us quite well, which is a main reason for the amount of goals we got from midfield this season. He is mutli-dimensional and his build up play gets rarely mentioned when people talk about him.
Okay he isn't the best header of the ball (surprisingly) nor can he finish as well as Robbie. But he isn't bad at them and when you add into the factor not many defenders can play against him, you have a winning formula. You add all his strengths up and you have a player who is one of a kind.
I for one am glad we have this kind of player going to world cup, to compliment the likes of Defoe, Bent, Owen (if fit) etc. He will also play a big part in link up play to allow the Joe Coles, Lampards, Gerrards get forward.
I am a Liverpool fan, and this post might sound blinkered. But it really is a balanced view I got from watchin the guy game in game out this season.
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Post by Rob #12 on May 1, 2006 18:30:28 GMT
A post back on topic (oops) Rooney is likely to travel if there is a chance he will make any games at all, should we get out of our group. I am sure of it.
We have to take 3 goalies apparently, so why don't we take Rooney as a goalie (Nike Ad) and then we don't take up a squad space for other strikers.
Rob
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Post by sunbeam on May 2, 2006 12:08:15 GMT
Rooney's done his 4th toe which is a 4-8 week injury. He shhould be back in full training in 6 weeks and I'd expect him to play v Sweden.
As for the "we've got no chance without him" line. What crap! The guy has not scored a competitive goal for England for 2 years. He hasn't score a Champ League goal for Man Utd for something like 14 games. His record for Man U in big games is so poor that some Salford boys are now openly questioning how good he really is.
What did he do v Chelsea on Sat? Or Liverpool in the FA cup? Or Benfica? Or AC Milan twice? Or the FA Cup final? Or Villareal?
He's a big player for us but I'm far more worried about Owen. He's the one who scores the goals in the big games v the big teams. And I'd rather lose Rooney than Gerrard. Look what Gerrard did v AC Milan. Rooney was pathetic v them.
He'll be back anyway but he's no more important than Terry, Cole(s), Lamps, Becks or Robinson.
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Post by DaveE on May 2, 2006 12:43:33 GMT
I know the perfect solution to this.....
...tap Alan Shearer up, and beg him to play for England just for one last time ;D
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Post by belak on May 2, 2006 13:39:57 GMT
Yup and he never did anything of note. Some players are great domestic players but can't translate that onto the international stage. Ian Wright & Andrew Cole are other examples But Cole and Wright were great Club players! Ricketts is just the exception to the rule, god knows how he ever got capped. I didn't say that weren't, the fact still stands that were dross when playing at international level, as was Ricketts
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Post by sunbeam on May 2, 2006 14:28:14 GMT
But Cole and Wright were great Club players! Ricketts is just the exception to the rule, god knows how he ever got capped. I didn't say that weren't, the fact still stands that were dross when playing at international level, as was Ricketts We were flush with options back then. They never got much of a chance anyway. Wright, Cole, Stan, Fowler and Sutton would have walked into the squad today. The cupboard is pretty bare.
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Post by belak on May 2, 2006 14:40:34 GMT
I didn't say that weren't, the fact still stands that were dross when playing at international level, as was Ricketts We were flush with options back then. They never got much of a chance anyway. Wright, Cole, Stan, Fowler and Sutton would have walked into the squad today. The cupboard is pretty bare. Perhaps but I'm of the opinion that players need to grasp their opportunity with both hands, and make an impression immediately. Too many performances that left me thinking they themselves thought " I'll get another chance." Besides, when those guys were in their prime it was Shearer and player X. Alan was one of the best centre forwards aroundso it made sense to go with him
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Post by sunbeam on May 3, 2006 9:45:43 GMT
We were flush with options back then. They never got much of a chance anyway. Wright, Cole, Stan, Fowler and Sutton would have walked into the squad today. The cupboard is pretty bare. Perhaps but I'm of the opinion that players need to grasp their opportunity with both hands, and make an impression immediately. Too many performances that left me thinking they themselves thought " I'll get another chance." Besides, when those guys were in their prime it was Shearer and player X. Alan was one of the best centre forwards aroundso it made sense to go with him True. Problem was that Shearer needs a certain type of partner. Like Owen does. Cole and Wright weren't 2nd strikers and so they were never going to partner Shearer. Hence we went with Sherri.
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Post by Kimberley on May 3, 2006 14:50:45 GMT
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Post by sunbeam on May 4, 2006 14:33:32 GMT
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