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Post by mattscold on Nov 5, 2007 12:32:33 GMT
Speaking of which... what chances of poaching Krajicek from Slough do we think?
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Nov 5, 2007 13:07:09 GMT
you havnt seen many of Shmyrs fights then have you, if you think all he does is hug
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Post by sambo79 on Nov 5, 2007 13:37:11 GMT
you havnt seen many of Shmyrs fights then have you, if you think all he does is hug I have and I would say that 90% of the time he hugs and wrestles. The other 10% he throws a couple, gets hit by a few and then hugs. What an enforcer.
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Post by Mark Mac on Nov 5, 2007 14:07:51 GMT
How can shmyr be blamed for not fighting when coachie has said publicly i've stopped him from fighting? its stupid stopping him from fighting anyway. Thats what I said. I was reinforcing what you said. I dont want rasto to go. I wouldnt be at all bothered if we replaced stancok tho. He picks up too many silly penalties and doesnt seem to bring anything special.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Nov 5, 2007 14:08:55 GMT
ok then, what about
Clouthier x 2 Cornish x 3 his first fight against Ski his first against Payette
thats seven of his fights off the top of my head he hasnt hugged and has gone pretty much toe to toe. this season he has fought quite differently and hasn't had the best results, which says to me there's another factor going on such as an injury etc
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Post by LUFC on Nov 5, 2007 14:46:49 GMT
As much as i hate to say it but Stanny and Rasto i wouldnt mind seeing them be replaced. Stan gave away our first goal tonight, something we found hard to recover from after we was all over them, then they came into it with a sucker punch due to defensive errors (mainly stan). He isnt right for our league anymore. Dude, what game were you watching? The first goal came about because Bergin wasn't playing with his head up and lost the puck on their blue line. The second was a shorthanded breakaway with Corey not taking the pass away. Rasto is doing ok considering the defence isn't up to much. First off i didnt soddin mention the second goal. As for the first it took stancock 3 attempts to clear up the ice to anywhere near bergin. If it had of been played first or second time when our players expected it, then things would of been different. Either way his passing sucks, he can only clutch, hook and grab. He isnt cut out for the game in our league today.
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Post by jd on Nov 5, 2007 15:03:57 GMT
Get rid of Stancok this week - he is rubbish, cant play d and his second home is the penalty box. Not sure about Pelts - he gives 110% every shift, but like we've said he doesnt seem to know which end he is defending. Maybe he needs sat nav. Maybe we need to get of him. If we do get rid of 2, then personally i would like one new face to the uk
I think that getting Jimmy back would help a lot, he is an ace player, hell of a slapshot and he looked good with corey and danny. Cannot get rid of Rasto - give him a defence like we played against coventry for a couple of games and we will be fine
Bergin isn't great, not sure if he is better then Sheppard. Some checking would be nice from him. He is though a typical 10th signing, not much money left so we get a player in that mould - poor.
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Post by ryanp29 on Nov 5, 2007 15:09:42 GMT
rasto well nothing much i can say really apart from he sucks Nothing much I can say except your understanding of hockey sucks. Replace Stancok and Pelletier with Krajicek and Rees and I can guarantee you wouldn't be making that sort of comment. My hockey understanding sucks HA what make you such a expert. give me one good reason why rasto should stay oh great one
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Post by mattscold on Nov 5, 2007 15:17:37 GMT
Nothing much I can say except your understanding of hockey sucks. Replace Stancok and Pelletier with Krajicek and Rees and I can guarantee you wouldn't be making that sort of comment. My hockey understanding sucks HA what make you such a expert. give me one good reason why rasto should stay oh great one Can i try, heres three i just thought of 1) He has proved that when he has a good fdefence in front of him he can be as good as any Netminder in this league! 2) No Netminder can do it on their own can they? They can only be in so many places at once, any netminder would struggle with the way our D performs at times. 3) He is one of the best penalty shot stoppers i've seen.
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Post by shelton22 on Nov 5, 2007 16:42:36 GMT
rasto out (lets in to many soft goals) stancok out (rubish) bergin out (to slow and takes to much time on the puck)
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Post by Number 9.1 on Nov 5, 2007 16:48:51 GMT
Shmyr and (especially) Stancok are no-brainers. Bergin is safe because cutting him so soon after signing him (and without the Shepherd excuse) would make the coach look foolish. If however, Ellis thinks he solves his problems by ditching Rovnianek, then he doesn't know what his problems are.
If that were to be his response to the current state of affairs then I'm not sure I could trust his judgment/back him any longer.
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Post by ryanp29 on Nov 5, 2007 16:51:39 GMT
My hockey understanding sucks HA what make you such a expert. give me one good reason why rasto should stay oh great one Can i try, heres three i just thought of 1) He has proved that when he has a good fdefence in front of him he can be as good as any Netminder in this league! 2) No Netminder can do it on their own can they? They can only be in so many places at once, any netminder would struggle with the way our D performs at times. 3) He is one of the best penalty shot stoppers i've seen. 1 ) he goes hot and cold as much as a micro wave 2) rubbish let me think of some for you , Christian Bronsard, Jayme Platt, Joel Laing,Mike Torchia do you wont me to carry on. 3) yer wow what about the rest of the game , so just based on that he is worth keeping , well i think you two should take over ME's job then cos wow your understanding of hockey is far far better then my 10 years of watching the game.
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Post by Ian on Nov 5, 2007 17:05:43 GMT
2) rubbish let me think of some for you , Christian Bronsard, Jayme Platt, Joel Laing,Mike Torchia do you wont me to carry on. Platt is the only one of those who has played a full season on EIHL wages. Bronsard came in towards the end of a campaign, having already earned good money (and maybe having a contract paid out, not sure) in Europe and the other two were top-line ISL netminders, when the wage cap was double what it is now. You might as well say that Hasek and Brodeur would do better than Rasto, we've got about as much chance of getting them in on the Elite League wage structure. So can you name any EIHL netminders who could do a load better than Rovnianek with our current D? And how about any who are available right now to move and would have the same or lower wage demands as an ageing Eastern European journeyman (even one who backstopped you to the playoff title)? I think it would be a huge gamble to change netminder at this stage, especially before giving him a chance after trying to fix our glaring problems in the defence.
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Post by ryanp29 on Nov 5, 2007 17:28:56 GMT
2) rubbish let me think of some for you , Christian Bronsard, Jayme Platt, Joel Laing,Mike Torchia do you wont me to carry on. Platt is the only one of those who has played a full season on EIHL wages. Bronsard came in towards the end of a campaign, having already earned good money (and maybe having a contract paid out, not sure) in Europe and the other two were top-line ISL netminders, when the wage cap was double what it is now. You might as well say that Hasek and Brodeur would do better than Rasto, we've got about as much chance of getting them in on the Elite League wage structure. So can you name any EIHL netminders who could do a load better than Rovnianek with our current D? And how about any who are available right now to move and would have the same or lower wage demands as an ageing Eastern European journeyman (even one who backstopped you to the playoff title)? I think it would be a huge gamble to change netminder at this stage, especially before giving him a chance after trying to fix our glaring problems in the defence. what about Ryan MacDonald , Trevor Koenig they are alot better then rasto, we took a big gamble last year saying bye to lindsay , it payed off rasto has not got any confidence so then the team dont have any in him . if your n/m playes well then the rest of the team will do , cos if your d make a mistake they can rely on the n/m if ME has told rasto he is on a 2 week notice he must have some one in mind
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Post by Number 9.1 on Nov 5, 2007 17:42:35 GMT
We took a big gamble getting rid of Lindsay?!? I think you probably ought to stop there, Ryan ...
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Post by jmc on Nov 5, 2007 19:26:25 GMT
Hmm.
For me Pelletier needs to learn to play more at home, like Corey had too. I'd axe Stancok and bring in a Morris type of D man.
Foward wise maybe axe Shmyr, and get a mean power foward like Craighead, their for you'll have three 'tough' guys on the team.
Also lose one of the flair fowards and get a cote/patterson/simoes type of player that would give their all the team and go in corners and be a wind up merchant.
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Post by Ian on Nov 5, 2007 20:40:34 GMT
what about Ryan MacDonald , Trevor Koenig they are alot better then rasto, we took a big gamble last year saying bye to lindsay , it payed off rasto has not got any confidence so then the team dont have any in him . if your n/m playes well then the rest of the team will do , cos if your d make a mistake they can rely on the n/m They are "a lot better than Rasto" based on what? Would they be any better behind our current defensive efforts? Of course it's impossible to tell (unless Trevor Koenig suddenly decides he would prefer to swap playing for a decent defensive team challenging for the title for backstopping a team with next to no defence that on current form will just about scrape into the playoffs), but I don't think they would necessarily be any better at all. The simple fact is that Panthers have lost their two most consistent and dominant D men from last year and replaced them with guys who are struggling and/or disappearing. Is it a coincidence that Rasto has gone from a world-beater who everyone loved to a player people want to cut? Even admitting that his form has been more patchy this time around, I would hardly put our failings at his door and I don't share your opinion that there are numerous netminders out there who are (a) available, (b) affordable and (c) more likely to win us games with this defence than the current guy. You can name me as many EIHL netminders who have been outstanding on other teams at other times as you want but it will not change my belief that our primary problem is not the netminder, it is those in front of him (about half the ice length too far in front of him on many occasions). Incidentally, I don't consider getting rid of Lindsay to have been a big gamble, more like the biggest no brainer a Panthers coach has faced in years. Getting rid of Rovnianek without changing the D, on the other hand, would be a gamble for the reasons stated. Make defensive changes, and give it a try. If the D looks more solid but Rasto is shipping soft goals consistently, by all means get rid but until then, I think it would be scapegoating not a tactical decision.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2007 20:45:41 GMT
Would anyone take DeRouville in exchange for Rasto?
Any ideas for replacements for Stancok?
To be honest, after the "Hug Fest" that has been the first part of the season that Ryan Shmyr has had, I take just about anyone to stick up for our team......... as no-one else seems to be.
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Post by matt44 on Nov 5, 2007 21:21:20 GMT
Shmyr isnt on 2 weeks notice.
I wouldnt complain if he was.........but as I understand it he isnt.
If he was replaced with another enforcer I wouldnt be bothered.
Stancock needs to go and be replaced by someone like Jason Robinson. A big fella who stays back and does the simple things right and hits hard. Gets forwards watching their back.
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Post by dodit on Nov 5, 2007 21:49:27 GMT
stanny and rasto by a long way , stanny is slow all he dose is hook players up take silly pans , rasto well nothing much i can say really apart from he sucksBased on what? He conceded 2 goals with a very poor defense in front of him from what i hear! Also if people believe scoring 1 goal is good enough to consistently win at home, expecting Rasto to get shut out after shut out to enabling us to win then people are delusional and don't understand how hockey works! Happy clappersfor rasto. (Not just picking on you mate it's just the first post i came to )
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Post by dodit on Nov 5, 2007 21:52:43 GMT
rasto out (lets in to many soft goals) stancok out (rubish) bergin out (to slow and takes to much time on the puck) Bergin's job is probably one of the safest on the team at the moment just because ellis has brough him in later than everybody else. Bergin, to me seems to be improving every game now but still seems to be plodding along. Players that jobs are safe. McAslan Neilson Wallenberg Molin (Maybe) Myers (Deffo) Levers Everyone else in the panthers organisation should be worried if was them.
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Post by rangers on Nov 5, 2007 21:55:32 GMT
I would say Meyers is also safe - It would be very difficult to get a better british player at this stage in the season, especially on D.
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Post by ryanp29 on Nov 6, 2007 8:55:40 GMT
Based on what? He conceded 2 goals with a very poor defense in front of him from what i hear! Also if people believe scoring 1 goal is good enough to consistently win at home, expecting Rasto to get shut out after shut out to enabling us to win then people are delusional and don't understand how hockey works! Happy clappersfor rasto. (Not just picking on you mate it's just the first post i came to ) Its okay let you off bergin is not there for speed dont know what he is there for but its not speed lol
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Post by sambo79 on Nov 6, 2007 11:03:54 GMT
People who are saying get rid of Rasto are showing they don't have a clue. Why get in a new netminder when the defence is so bad? Fix the actual problem first. Rasto isn't the problem. We all saw last season what happens when you have a bad netminder but a good defence. This year we can see the effects of a good netminder and a poor defence.
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Post by ryanp29 on Nov 6, 2007 12:14:02 GMT
People who are saying get rid of Rasto are showing they don't have a clue. Why get in a new netminder when the defence is so bad? Fix the actual problem first. Rasto isn't the problem. We all saw last season what happens when you have a bad netminder but a good defence. This year we can see the effects of a good netminder and a poor defence. so i dont have a clue about hockey just cos i dont like rasto , thats like saying people who like him dont him in my eyes i dont like the way he is playin that is my opinion and dont like unlucky
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