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Post by giger22 on Mar 25, 2007 16:38:05 GMT
i have heard today that rasti seems quite keen on possibly staying on for next season, and shymr is a high priority to keep on for next season. however jan and cory may not be around for next season. i say its a shame about jan but good news on cory.
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Post by pantherman66 on Mar 25, 2007 18:36:28 GMT
I have also heard that Rasto will be back, along with Robert Stancok ( best mates according to last nights programme ). Another possibly to return is Ashley Tait, three year contract just finished with the Blaze. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Frodo on Mar 25, 2007 20:53:05 GMT
Would love to see Bob back he was excellent. Would be a real disappointment if Jan does go. If he goes to a higher quality league then fair play but if he's looking to stay in this country, we need to pull out all the stops! As for neilson - bye!
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Post by Rob #12 on Mar 25, 2007 21:49:01 GMT
I will be glad when Corey does go, to save from the target on his head. He don't deserve the amount of heat generated this season from Panthers fans. He has had his moments for sure, no denying that.
BUT the guy has got the same stats, more or less as Krajicek, but a lot less PIMS, and he is the bad guy. Jan does visibly more with the puck in terms off carrying it, but that's about all he has over Corey for me.
Not going to say who I want back apart from Ellis. He knows who should stay and who should go so I will leave it for to sort. In him I deffo trust! I just hope he has learnt from this mistakes and if so, it will be interesting to see what happens.
Rob
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Post by charlish2099 on Mar 25, 2007 21:52:40 GMT
good post Rob, Corey does not deserve the barrage of flack he gets, I know theres rumours this is last year in hockey, shame we couldnt of made it more pleasurable, suppose with Lindsay gone the snipers needed someone to hand out the flack too.
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Post by bangontheglass on Mar 26, 2007 7:21:56 GMT
Have heard that Rasto, Krajicek (if Ellis returns), Danny Meyers, Shymr would like to return next season. Would like to know Mike Ellis is to return before end of April (early bird season ticket deadline). Personally would like to see ME resigned and the core of the team he wants back before that time too!!!
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Post by grumpyminer on Mar 26, 2007 18:04:51 GMT
Rob and Nath, sorry but you seem to have forgotten about Corey Neilson's wayward passes and his ability to not stop the puck when it is cleared down the boards. The latter being very irritating to say the least.
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Post by Rob #12 on Mar 26, 2007 19:18:22 GMT
Rob and Nath, sorry but you seem to have forgotten about Corey Neilson's wayward passes and his ability to not stop the puck when it is cleared down the boards. The latter being very irritating to say the least. Yes I remember Corey's bad passes. But I remember Danny Meyers and Jimmy both doing the same. In fact towards the start of the season, Danny misplaced the odd pass that cost us a goal to cost us games. Nobody brings those up. What about MacAslan, Clarkey, Myers, the list goes on. All have put there fair share of shoddy passes around. But they have also done wonderful things, as has Neilson. As I say Neilson is the target now Evan has gone, and for that, I think it is wrong. He has done no worse than anyone else. I guess some of the Neilson haters will be moaning next season tho if we don't get another D man that has posted the numbers that Jan and Corey have so far this season. That's the nature of the beast tho. Rob
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Post by ted on Mar 26, 2007 20:52:52 GMT
It goes back to the league not recording a plus/minus.
Points yea he might be up there but how many goals (or even chances) have his mistakes cost? I can see how his career points total has racked up. I imagine paired with someone like Kreijek every game, every shift he is a cracking D man for a forward line of McAslans or Tessiers in the AHL to pick up a rebound or garbage goal
He is supposedly too good to be doing things like coughing the puck up over the blue line and being slow to react to breakout.
I know what you're saying. And I agree. Some flak has been unjustified but in all fairness he definately isnt living up to the 'Too good for this league' hype. For someone who has played at the level he has for so long with such a career points total I expected more.
The other players.. Reesy, Meyers, Jimmy etc etc etc are all doing what I expected them to do.
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Post by jaycourtney on Mar 27, 2007 9:40:28 GMT
Thing is Neilson hasn't said his too good for the league. Its the media circus, thats put that target on Corey I think it took Corey a while to settle, but he seems to be playing OK his put up good numbers, the last D man who got over 41points was braine Thompson in 2003/2004, and in his second spell he took time to settle. As for Rasto, although his a good netminder I feel people want him for his post game antics, but his getting no younger depends on how fit he is for next season.
As for out 'Ash' I'd take him away from the Blaze now, 55pts from 61 games.
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Post by newham on Mar 27, 2007 12:37:41 GMT
good post Rob, Corey does not deserve the barrage of flack he gets, I know theres rumours this is last year in hockey, shame we couldnt of made it more pleasurable, suppose with Lindsay gone the snipers needed someone to hand out the flack too. Sorry, but he does. For the money he is on, his return has been nothing short of diabolical. He's cost us so many goals.
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Post by KimThePanther on Mar 27, 2007 15:07:03 GMT
Another possibly to return is Ashley Tait I would LOVE to see Taity back in a Panthers shirt. Releasing him when it was evident the ISL wasn't going to last much longer was a huge mistake in my opinion. I don't think it'll happen mind you.
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Post by Rob #12 on Mar 27, 2007 19:27:18 GMT
good post Rob, Corey does not deserve the barrage of flack he gets, I know theres rumours this is last year in hockey, shame we couldnt of made it more pleasurable, suppose with Lindsay gone the snipers needed someone to hand out the flack too. Sorry, but he does. For the money he is on, his return has been nothing short of diabolical. He's cost us so many goals. How much money is he on Newy? Wish I had access to private payroll figures.
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Post by dodit on Mar 27, 2007 20:53:40 GMT
No ones mistakes sticks out more than Neilson's. Also neilson doesnt make up for our mistakes. If i could of voted for most consistant player i would of voted for meyers always there playing for 60 minutes.
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Post by Rob #12 on Mar 27, 2007 21:54:25 GMT
No ones mistakes sticks out more than Neilson's. Also neilson doesnt make up for our mistakes. Like I said, I hope next season Corey goes somewhere where his 40+ points are appreciated. Because they certainly aren't here.
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Post by grumpyminer on Mar 28, 2007 7:43:51 GMT
His 40+ points are appreciated. But the number of basic defensive errors that have cost us goals outweigh this, ashis job as a D-man is primarily to prevent the opposition scoring.
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Post by charlish2099 on Mar 28, 2007 9:28:13 GMT
and the number of wasted opportunitys from the forwards on goal has not contributed to losses? no one player is responsible for any loss, maybe a cumilation of several errors by several players can be blamed, but you cant put it on one players shoulders!! thats just silly.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Mar 28, 2007 10:26:17 GMT
Meyers has been good recently but to say hes contibuted more than neilson is wide of the mark, points total is nowhere near.
totally agree with Rob, hes been unfairly crticised, if he had but half as many passes wrong as Mac did the other night he'd be crucified, Mac made at least three poor passes in thirty seconds but its never mentioned.
Nick
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Post by Rob #12 on Mar 28, 2007 18:19:59 GMT
His 40+ points are appreciated. But the number of basic defensive errors that have cost us goals outweigh this, ashis job as a D-man is primarily to prevent the opposition scoring. If you add together the amount of times where he scored a point and when have saved a breakway or goal, this would be a lot more than the amount of times he made a mistake that cost us a goal. C'mon, he's made mistakes. Sure. But like Nick says, so many more players have done the same. Like I said, scapegoat. Corey never hyped himself up, never made promises he couldn't keep. But for some reason he is blamed time and time again for his reputation and mistakes. Absolute rubbish. I think the Neilson bashing has gone far enough anyway, it's pretty clear the majority don't want their scapegoat back. I would though, especially if we fail to sign Jimmy. Personally, I would love to see the whole D back that we have but I doubt it will happen. At least one or two of them will change I guess.
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Post by charlish2099 on Mar 28, 2007 19:16:24 GMT
get rid of corey and we can start a thread on who will be the next scapegoat, after all, all of our defeats are because of one player arn't they!!! Lindsay, Neilson this season, wasnt cruikshank in the role last year?
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Post by killercarlson on Mar 29, 2007 8:36:48 GMT
I think some of the Nelison haters are justified. When Jan gets hold of the puck you can bet that 8 times out of ten he will skate it out and pass it to a forwad. When Neilson gets a hold, 5 time out of 10 he dumps it in to the corner, and 3 times he'll make some god awful pass, usually to the opposite team. Unfortunately I think he came here for an easy ride and he isn't giving us 100% very often. On the odd occassion that he does increase the intensity in his play he does do very well. I am still hopeful that he will pick it up for the playoffs! Come on Corey - Hit Somebody!
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Mar 29, 2007 9:24:21 GMT
Neilson i think is actually very good at taking into the offensive zone, the other night he was a constant threat with his slappers from the blueline, making the first goal and creating alot more chances after that. he does make mistakes and gives away poor passes but theres at least a couple that do the same, Macs passing is ridiculous at times its just he then goes and scores two and noone remembers the mistakes.
killercarlson you are right with the hitting somebody point, hes a big lad and id love to see the aggressive side a bit more.
Kraciek is good, theres no doubting that but what i think seperates the two the most is how Corey was hyped up to start with. Kraciek also takes alot of silly penalties.
Nick
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Post by newham on Mar 29, 2007 14:37:36 GMT
Sorry, but he does. For the money he is on, his return has been nothing short of diabolical. He's cost us so many goals. How much money is he on Newy? Wish I had access to private payroll figures. I don't know precisely, but i've got it on good authority that he's one of the highest earners. No ones mistakes sticks out more than Neilson's. Also neilson doesnt make up for our mistakes. Like I said, I hope next season Corey goes somewhere where his 40+ points are appreciated. Because they certainly aren't here. A defensemans first priority is stopping goals, not scoring them. If he wants to score loads of points, stop the pretence of being a defenseman and go up front.
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Post by Fraggle on Mar 29, 2007 16:34:55 GMT
[If you add together the amount of times where he scored a point and when have saved a breakway or goal, this would be a lot more than the amount of times he made a mistake that cost us a goal. Doubt it - the guy costs us goals constantly! He's not a scapegoat, he's just not a very good D man - the only thing vaguely in his favour is that he was massively overhyped before he arived here, so the fact that we were all then expecting big things from him has only served to heighten the disappointment in him. Then again, we're all entitled to our own opinion and that includes Corey's fans so I'm gonna just move on. Can't EVER see Ash coming back to Nottingham, sadly. It's nice to see a real personality in the team again, but I don't rate Rasto as a top goalie (he actually scares me the amount of times he drops the puck in the crease, mis-times passes, gets caught out of net/behind the goal, though he does have a mean poke check ) so wouldn't mind him not coming back if we got a more solid (less scary!) goalie. Would miss his personality on the ice though.
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Post by grumpyminer on Mar 29, 2007 17:06:31 GMT
Rasto......YES please. Even though he gives us scary moments, he makes it entertaining and he is a top nettie, although I would say Koenig is the best in the league this season.
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