Shaggy
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Post by Shaggy on Nov 16, 2004 7:35:56 GMT
I suspect Ivan got his Game when he smashed his stick into the boards as he left the ice (that one is in the IIHF rule book, the only reference to guestures to the crowd is for obscene or offensive ones.) No - Boniface definitely slapped his hips a second time when Ivan turned round and said something...... the second 10min (and therefore an automatic GP) has probably been recorded as 'Abuse Of Official'. That taken on its own is fair enough - you swear at the ref, and you are going to get binned - but it wouldn't even have happened if Boney hadn't made the moronic first penalty call.....
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Ian
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Post by Ian on Nov 16, 2004 7:38:19 GMT
I wasn't at the game on Sunday, but I'm not at all surprised by what happened, given the individuals involved.
Perhaps in future, whenever Boniface is down to officiate we should ensure that someone shows him a ticket prior to the game. Just to remind him that a few thousand individuals are forking out their hard earned cash to watch the two teams, not some jumped up, egocentric idiot with armbands and a whistle.
Absolutely pathetic.
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Post by Keyring on Nov 16, 2004 10:04:03 GMT
my auntie says that boniface was flicking his lips (as a baby would do and you make that funny noise, as if we are being mardy) hard to explain without doing the actions to you lol, maybe we should send a nasty e-mail saying we take offence to this and he has done nasty things to the crowd before, remember coventry, we could say this is the last straw and he should be sacked, would be brilliant. hate to see someones career ending BUT! in this case he shouldn't be a ref at all if he has no common sense, by heck my girlfriend could do a better job as ref and she has only been to one game, and that was sunday's match!
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Post by chiddy on Nov 16, 2004 11:03:59 GMT
Yeah me and a couple of mates saw Boniface make that face at the crowd. It obviously showed he didn't care and liked the fact that he got the crowd going. To me, he was being unprofessional and something needs to be done fast before the whole sport gets ruined by referees.
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MrsJoel
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Post by MrsJoel on Nov 16, 2004 12:24:08 GMT
Apparently he made the gesture after being called a rude word by people in the crowd.
Now I've been to plenty of football matches where the song "The referee's a ......" has emanated from the terraces, and not once has the referee ever retaliated like that. Can you imagine the uproar if one did?
So Nigel, if you wanted to prove to us all that what we think of you is true, well congratulations, you have.
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Post by Doughnut on Nov 16, 2004 16:00:46 GMT
Now I've been to plenty of football matches where the song "The referee's a ......" has emanated from the terraces, and not once has the referee ever retaliated like that. Can you imagine the uproar if one did? Not a big football fan - anyone know how often football referee's book players for celebrating?
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Post by MrsJoel on Nov 16, 2004 16:24:32 GMT
Not a big football fan - anyone know how often football referee's book players for celebrating? Quite often now - running to the stands to 'hug' the fans or taking your shirt off and whirling it around your head will get you booked nowadays.
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Post by Lucy on Nov 16, 2004 16:26:52 GMT
According to the NEP, there will be no appeal against Marek's game misconduct. I like the idea of us all saluting him next time he scores ;D LinkTidy link please mods - then tell me how to do it properly
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Post by Admin on Nov 16, 2004 16:32:19 GMT
How to do a tidy link .... Replace ('s with ['s to make it work for real ... Instead of (url)http://www.whatever.blah(/url) type (url=http://www.whatever.blah)Tidy Link Name(/url)
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Post by MrsJoel on Nov 16, 2004 16:35:44 GMT
In the NEP article, Gary Moran is quoted as saying... "This ref has warned Marek about his celebrations in previous games so if he's not allowed to salute the crowd - which is all he does - then perhaps the fans will salute him whenever he scores." THIS ref - who else has been ref when Marek has scored? Have they been as pedantic? Please enlighten me, because I can't remember! If OTT celebrating (and never in a month of Sundays could Marek's salute be deemed OTT in my opinion) is now banned and attracts a misconduct penalty, then Nigel is right (though it pains me to say it... )
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Post by Doughnut on Nov 16, 2004 16:43:19 GMT
In the NEP article, Gary Moran is quoted as saying... "This ref has warned Marek about his celebrations in previous games so if he's not allowed to salute the crowd - which is all he does - then perhaps the fans will salute him whenever he scores." THIS ref - who else has been ref when Marek has scored? Have they been as pedantic? Please enlighten me, because I can't remember! If OTT celebrating (and never in a month of Sundays could Marek's salute be deemed OTT in my opinion) is now banned and attracts a misconduct penalty, then Nigel is right (though it pains me to say it... ) I'm not sayin I agree with him, but in Bonifaces defence, he did give fair warning. If a ref warns a player they'll be punished for doing something again, they can't really complain if they do it again and get punished. And if he did abuse the ref, then of course he’ll be out the game - *shrug*
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Post by Shorty on Nov 16, 2004 16:53:14 GMT
Refs are meant to go into each and every game with an impartial and unbiased view. The fact that he had warned in previous games shouldnt make any difference as each game is as different as they come. Passed "discussions" should not sway a refs decision, it should only be based on what has happened up to that point in that game. I suppose that a number of players have in the past(in my opinion) been targetted by refs, shows that its not always the case.
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Post by Doughnut on Nov 16, 2004 18:05:36 GMT
Refs are meant to go into each and every game with an impartial and unbiased view. The fact that he had warned in previous games shouldnt make any difference as each game is as different as they come. Passed "discussions" should not sway a refs decision, it should only be based on what has happened up to that point in that game. I take your point, but should a ref have to clarify the rules (as interpreted by the person whose opinion counts for that 60 mins, whether we like it or not) to a certain player at the start of every game to make sure the rules are not broken? I'd have thought not. If Boniface warned Marek about this in a previous game and Marek disagreed with his views, it would’ve been sensible to get clarification from the league before celebrating in that way again in front of Boniface. I could understand Boniface taking Marek’s repetition of the celebration as a challenge along the lines of “What are you gonna do about it?” I’d have thought any ref would come down hard on that kind of challenge. Don’t get me wrong, I’m certainly not agreeing with Boniface’s opinion that the celebration was out of order, just saying that given that the player had been warned about it, the ref had to be seen to do something about it. Just trying to give a possible rational explanation why the penalty was given.
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Post by carolle on Nov 16, 2004 18:43:36 GMT
I think the main point of this discussion is that...
Nigel should inform the club of his personnal reson for his dislike to Marek`s goal celebration,as it only seems to be him that takes offence to it.
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MP
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Post by MP on Nov 16, 2004 23:14:31 GMT
Nigel should inform the club of his personnal reson for his dislike to Marek`s goal celebration,as it only seems to be him that takes offence to it. In addition to that, there is a case for clarifying what rule Nigel is implementing when he takes exception to Mareks' celebration. Either all the other referees are failing to implement the rules or Nigel needs advice regarding his interpretation of the rule book. From GMs' comments it seems Andy French has been made well aware of the Nigels' actions and the consequences. The chances are there will be words behind the scenes and Mr French will probably be on hand next time Nigel has a game at the NIC. It certainly doesn't do the image of the sport any good to have a referee bring the game into disrepute. Like the idea that the crowd should all salute Marek when he scores - nice on Gary. ;D
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Post by BeerMonster on Nov 17, 2004 7:27:00 GMT
If Boniface thought that Ivan’s celebrations were OTT how would he have coped with the likes of Mario Belanger, Tommy Plommer, Tim Cranston, John Lawless etc, back in the days when goals were celebrated with style? The crowd want this, well I do. I think sometimes the goal celebration can be as good as the goal, and we are there to be entertained.
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MP
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Post by MP on Nov 17, 2004 9:11:00 GMT
and we are there to be entertained. A point that seems to lost on some people who run hockey in this country...
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Post by Warren on Nov 17, 2004 11:16:08 GMT
If I am not mistaken, the game in question is the Cardiff Home game (23/11/04) Marek scored, celebrated with a salute then returned to the bench. The ref (I think it was Nigel) skated over to Clarke (who had lined up for the next face off) who skated over to the bench and had a word with Marek. He didn't look impressed.
Since that game Marek hasn't saluted if he has scored....
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