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Post by Admin on Nov 14, 2004 18:05:07 GMT
What the HELL is he doing throwing Ivan out for saluting the crowd? I cannot wait to see the official reasoning behind this ... First home game I've missed in two years .... jeez I wish I was there ... I'd give you a special salute of my own Nigel.
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Post by Admin on Nov 14, 2004 18:24:08 GMT
1salute vt 1 to address with expressions of greeting, goodwill, or respect 2a to honour by a conventional military or naval ceremony b to show respect and recognition to (a military superior) by assuming a prescribed position c to praise < - d her courage > 3 archaic to become apparent to (one of the senses) - vi to make a salute - saluter n
2salute n 1 a greeting salutation 2a a sign or ceremony expressing goodwill or respect b an act of saluting a military superior; also the position (e g of the hand or weapon) or the entire attitude of a person saluting a superior
goodwill and respect there I think the key words behind the act of saluting ... where the hell you can find unsportsmanlike behaviour in that I cannot fathom. Beggars belief.
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Post by girdeaux on Nov 14, 2004 18:30:01 GMT
1salute vt 1 to address with expressions of greeting, goodwill, or respect 2a to honour by a conventional military or naval ceremony b to show respect and recognition to (a military superior) by assuming a prescribed position c to praise < - d her courage > 3 archaic to become apparent to (one of the senses) - vi to make a salute - saluter n2salute n 1 a greeting salutation 2a a sign or ceremony expressing goodwill or respect b an act of saluting a military superior; also the position (e g of the hand or weapon) or the entire attitude of a person saluting a superior goodwill and respect there I think the key words behind the act of saluting ... where the hell you can find unsportsmanlike behaviour in that I cannot fathom. Beggars belief. The mind boggles, but the only thing I can think of, is perhaps the referee thought it was a Hitler salute...? But why would a player do that and do that to his own fans...? I honestly don't know though mate
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Post by heja on Nov 14, 2004 18:32:58 GMT
lol anton it looked nothing like a hitler salute, he was just being an IDIOT.
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Post by Admin on Nov 14, 2004 18:39:16 GMT
Entering the realms of fantasy with that theory Anton .... but I guess we have to visit all parallel universes to find Mr Boniface's thoughts behind such a shocking call.
I do hope that there is a complaint lodged and the official receives some guidance about what he can and cannot bring to bear discipline wise. We had cause to complain last season when we felt badly let down by a referee as we felt he was adversely predujiced against us in his inconsistency that evening. This is a whole other can of worms ... and I expect it to be opened straight away. Who does he think he is?
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Post by girdeaux on Nov 14, 2004 18:39:28 GMT
lol anton it looked nothing like a hitler salute, he was just being an IDIOT. I never said it WAS Tim
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Post by heja on Nov 14, 2004 18:42:33 GMT
maybe i should of split that up abit ;D
LOL
because i was laughing at your coment and then saying that it looked nothing like a hitler salute to other people
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Post by Admin on Nov 14, 2004 18:57:35 GMT
The more I think about this the more incensed I become.
If the referee's justification is that any acknowledgement to the crowd is unlawful then that also holds no water as he's not been backwards in coming forwards in reacting to the crowd himself in the past. In fact I've witnessed him make a gesture (note: not what you would call an offensive gesture) towards a lady in block 5 not too long ago whilst being heckled by the crowd on leaving the ice (was it early this season or last season I'm sure Wigwam will remember...)
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Post by Samxpenguin on Nov 14, 2004 19:13:11 GMT
The Penalty given was simply for 'excessive celebrating', which is absolutly RIDICULOUS! It wasn't disrespectful or insulting to anyone, it didn't waste exessive amounts of time. Why Boniface decided to give such a stupid decision i don't know, but what a fool (im trying to be poilte ). Individual celebrations make the game more interesting, maybe Boniface wants to tone it down so less people come to the game, therefore less people boo him on a regular basis
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Post by girdeaux on Nov 14, 2004 19:17:10 GMT
The Penalty given was simply for 'excessive celebrating', which is absolutly RIDICULOUS! It wasn't disrespectful or insulting to anyone, it didn't waste exessive amounts of time. Why Boniface decided to give such a stupid decision i don't know, but what a fool (im trying to be poilte ). Individual celebrations make the game more interesting, maybe Boniface wants to tone it down so less people boo him on a regular basis I have an image of Marek just skating in a circle saluting over & over again ;D
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Post by clarky49 on Nov 14, 2004 19:18:07 GMT
well he's sure as heck going the wrong way about it then
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Post by Samxpenguin on Nov 14, 2004 19:20:37 GMT
I have an image of Marek just skating in a circle saluting over & over again ;D After Ivan got sent off i so wanted us to score again, and the player to do the same salute, would have been hilarious, wonder what Boniface would have done then.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2004 19:20:44 GMT
Boniface, do the ice hockey world a favour and quit. I pay £13 to watch a game of ice hockey, not to watch a jumped up idiot in a stripy top make a complete farce of the game. We should be talking about strolling to an easy victory, The performance of Wojciak & Myers, Biette's wonder goal, but no, Nigel had to put his own stamp on the game didn't he. A game misconduct FOR CELEBRATING!!!!!!!!! For heavens sake Boniface just go and get lost.
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Post by Heanor Lair on Nov 14, 2004 19:23:59 GMT
As soon as Ivan went down on one knee I looked over towards Boniface and he was skating like a bat out of hell towards the penalty box.
Even before he got to the penalty box I said to my lad 'here comes a game penalty'.
Remember last time Ivan celebrated when Boniface was officating in Nottingham. He had a moan at Clarke about it?
Boniface has lost the plot, but I comfort myslef knowing that Andy French will recind the peanlities and tell Boniface to get into the real world.
Then again....
HL
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Post by brentford on Nov 14, 2004 19:26:34 GMT
This is a family oriented sport and people go to watch characters,Boniface should remember that, but then again he probably dos'nt realise that, last one out turn the lights out,It'll probably be B oniface.
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Post by Admin on Nov 14, 2004 19:26:59 GMT
Boniface has lost the plot, but I comfort myslef knowing that Andy French will recind the peanlities and tell Boniface to get into the real world. Then again.... HL It's up to the club and the fans to put pressure on him if he doesn't (sorry Andy! )
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Post by Mythosman on Nov 14, 2004 19:28:39 GMT
Boniface is no stranger to controversy, and likes to be the centre of attention.
Ivan's celebrational salute to the crowd looked to me, from Block 8, like he was blowing kisses to the crowd. Boniface skated past him and appeared to signal 'No Goal', which must have incensed Ivan, who I suspect may have said something to him at that point.
I just got the feeling that Boniface was looking for Ivan to commit some sort of 'offence' - either real or imaginary, after Ivan berated one of the linesmen for what proved to be a wrong offside call when he was through on goal.
What a very sad reflection on our game when you can be assessed a misconduct for celebrating a very good goal. God only knows what Boniface would have made of Craig Melancon with his famous rink length sitting on his stick goal celebration? Melancon would probably have been banned for life!!
Reality check for Mr Boniface - the crowds pay to watch entertaining hockey, not stripeys with inflated egos!
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Post by Cav on Nov 14, 2004 19:29:29 GMT
The guy was having a 'mare before the Ivan fiasco. First he ignores a blatant high sticks when Magdosko almost gets his helmet taken off by a stick (near centre ice with no one but him & the other player near the puck), then comes the most pathetic piece of reffing I've seen in watching Panthers in over 21 years. (and I've seen a few idiot refs over the years). Rant over. Bring back Nico Toeman......
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Post by sarahl on Nov 14, 2004 19:47:02 GMT
I'm sorry really been trying to resist the urge but He's tall he's thin he'll stick you in the bin Boniface, Boniface!!! And he did make gestures towards Block 5 tonight after 'the incident'
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Post by isilmarius on Nov 14, 2004 20:02:53 GMT
I remember Peka Virta, he once threw his glove high into the air, and used his stick like a machine gun to "shoot it down". Great stuff!
Seriously though, people in my block were telling me ALL the refs are meant to be taking action on any "over enthuiastic" goal celebrations. Is this true? or just Boniface being a prat?
If true, when does a celebration become a misconduct? And why are they stamping down? Surely we need characters in our game?
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Post by DPG on Nov 14, 2004 20:28:20 GMT
It says it all when people start chanting "we want carson".......and I have to admit I was one of them!
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Post by jinman18 on Nov 14, 2004 21:05:47 GMT
Cannot say much more than SHOCKING DECISION
Mark was just doing another vibe of the celebration he did a few weeks back and BANG, Nigel drops a bombshell of a call. I and many others around me saluted him back, so Nigel are we inciting something?
Really want to go over the top with this posting but why should i lower my standards when one has already in a stripey jersey tonight.
Were there two teams on the ice tonight Nige?
You can call pens for both you know
I think the next time Nige comes into town and is announced we should all salute the man(wanted so much to put something else there!)
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Post by thunder2 on Nov 14, 2004 21:06:15 GMT
We as spectators may have to watch ourselves, the way Boniface is going we may get the team penalised for cheering when they have scored. I used to like Boniface as a friend and a ref. and now I hang my head in shame to say so. He is fine if he is 'king of the castle' but if one little thing upsets him he acts like a spoilt brat. This I can say from personal experience, he was once told off for fraternizing too much with the Panther fans and since then he has never given us fair game. This is not libelous as he spoke to me after I asked him for an explanation as to why he was ignoring me.
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Post by Mark on Nov 14, 2004 21:37:30 GMT
Found, one teddy bear with the name Nigel written on the label.
Possibly thrown out of a childs pram in a fit of pique.
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Post by MP on Nov 14, 2004 22:24:55 GMT
Ah Mr Boniface - I just don't trust him.
He had one of those games again tonight where he just didn't seem interested. We've all seen it, he skates round well away from the play and somehow always seems to be looking the wrong way when something happens. However you just know that before the night is out he will make some controversial call that will leave a bad impression on the game. At least tonight it didn't alter the outcome of the game, but how pettty can you get.
Magdosko almost gets his head hooked off by a high stick in the face, somehow unseen by the referee who is only a mater of yards away. His reaction to Ivans' goal celebration beggars belief. I can only think he took it as a personal affront having compained about it in a previous game. I scincerely hope there will be an official statement as to why Ivans actions merrited a misconduct penalty.
Perhaps someone should explain to Nigel that good referees don't make a habit of taking centre stage - if he wants to do that then his timing is impeccable - the pantomine season is almost upon us. A change of profession would do us and hockey in general a favour.
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