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Post by ggggranville on Mar 29, 2007 22:41:05 GMT
Gazza The league need the Devils, the other teams including us need them too. I would like to think that I am right in saying that hockey lovers throughout the country wish them well for the future
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Post by Shaggy on Mar 29, 2007 23:04:57 GMT
Gazza The league need the Devils, the other teams including us need them too. I would like to think that I am right in saying that hockey lovers throughout the country wish them well for the future Absolutely... and the fact that I firmly believe that there's been a large amount of (self?) deception in Cardiff over this whole ownership doesn't change that one bit.
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Post by Nemesis on Mar 29, 2007 23:45:50 GMT
Gazza.
Bob's company's money owned both clubs. Mariani RAN the Devils, there is a world of difference between running and owning. And as Mark quite rightly points out 'asset seperation' is common business practise. Bob himself had very little to do with the Devils after he bought Shuff, the fact remains however that both share the same 'parent' holding company, irrespective of who actualy runs it.
To be fair I think we both owe alot to Mr Phillips, we were rapidly running out of options under Uncle Nort who simply negotaited every proposed deal dead. I am sure the league were not 100% happy with the situation as regards one owner for 2 clubs; but, for once they took the long view and allowed a resolution to be brokered that permitted the deal. IMO this was that the Devils or Steelers had to have a seperate figurehead even though the 'umbrella' covered both. They should be applauded for that, the alternative would be no Steelers and or Devils. A search of Companies house reveals BOTH clubs registered to the same address in Cardiff, but operating as seperate entitys.
It is not uncommon for many companys, often ones that compete with each other, to be owned by the same holding company. My last place was a case in point My lot, Cintex Ltd were purchased by the owners of our biggest rival Loma systems, both still operate and compete under their repective names even though they are both owned by a veture capital firm called Spectris. There is no question of divided loyalty, both are run by seperate bodies and have nothing to do with the other, but at the end of the day Mr Spectris has the final word over both.
The irony is Mrs Phillips may now actualy own the Devils in her own right, the word on the street is that the consortium of ten includes an M Phillips.
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Post by MP on Mar 30, 2007 0:02:35 GMT
To be fair I think we both owe alot to Mr Phillips, we were rapidly running out of options under Uncle Nort who simply negotaited every proposed deal dead. I am sure the league were not 100% happy with the situation as regards one owner for 2 clubs; but, for once they took the long view and allowed a resolution to be brokered that permitted the deal. I'd second that Nem. It comes back to a point I made the other day - in British hockey we mostly have to make do with what is practical rather than what is desirable. The situation in Sheffield seemed pretty desperate and Bob did British hockey a favour by stepping in, albeit rules had to be bent a little. Didn't stop us having a bit of fun along the way though at his/your expense! Fingers crossed that Cardiff thrive under their new owner(s) and the Steelers enjoy some stability (but no trophies ) under their new regime. British hockey could do with some stability.
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Post by Doom on Mar 30, 2007 6:44:40 GMT
To be fair I think we both owe alot to Mr Phillips, we were rapidly running out of options under Uncle Nort who simply negotaited every proposed deal dead. I am sure the league were not 100% happy with the situation as regards one owner for 2 clubs; but, for once they took the long view and allowed a resolution to be brokered that permitted the deal. I'd second that Nem. It comes back to a point I made the other day - in British hockey we mostly have to make do with what is practical rather than what is desirable. The situation in Sheffield seemed pretty desperate and Bob did British hockey a favour by stepping in, albeit rules had to be bent a little. Didn't stop us having a bit of fun along the way though at his/your expense! Fingers crossed that Cardiff thrive under their new owner(s) and the Steelers enjoy some stability (but no trophies ) under their new regime. British hockey could do with some stability. That's how I see it MP. The situation with the Devils/Steelers was never ideal because there was always going to be a conflict of interests, whether perceived or actual, but the alternative option (no Steelers and/or Devils) was far worse. Let's just hope that the Devils now have an owner(s) who can move them forward as a business....watch it be Neil Black Regards Doom
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Post by gazzathedevil on Mar 30, 2007 13:45:20 GMT
In todays South Wales echo it indicates that a consortium of Fans has bought out the Devils.
I'm all for that myself ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2007 22:03:17 GMT
Thanks for the Vote of confidence, Company house is in cardiff want me to pick you up a sheet and show you who has owned the Devils for the past two seasons? I have access to the Companies House database, so allow me... CARDIFF DEVILS LIMITED R/O Address : 1st Floor, Tudor House, 16 Cathedral Road, Cardiff R/O Phone : - R/O Postcode : CF11 9LJ
CURRENT DIRECTORS Name, First Name, Date of Birth 1. M. Phillips, Maraini, 16/04/1958 2. Mr R.J. Phillips, Robert, -
M. Phillips, Maraini xxxxxxx St xxxxxxx Close xxxxxx Cardiff CFxx xxx Nationality: Singapore Date of Birth: 16/04/1958
Mr R.J. Phillips, Robert John xxxxxxx xx xxxxxxx Close xxxxxxx Cardiff CFxx xxx Occupation: Director
(Personal information deleted out of courtesy.)
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