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Post by Bagheera on Dec 27, 2023 22:17:14 GMT
Much like last night Steelers much the better side. Panthers showed more attacking threat tonight, but Greenfield is different class. Although I think Rok was very good too. Really poor defencive turnovers really hurt us tonight. When your luck is down it's down though. Plenty of tips and bounces that go youe way when you are riding high went agaisnt us tonight. All the effort again, cant fault them for that. I agree that they gave effort and I'm sure that playing The Steelers probably had an effect on them but over the 2 games, how many times did they break away and had an open man especially in front of the net. Unfortunately these Xmas games results are a frequent occurrence and this team is feeling the brunt of those frustrations. Go through my historical posts and you'll see plenty a rant after these Christmas games. You'll see i'm near the top of the list of moaners. I have my opinions on the quality of this roster and on ability those opinions arn't great. Talent wise this group of forwards is similar to the last 2 or 3 seasons, but it has a 100% more effort. It's also very obvious what is missing. Any normal season i'd be able to give you 3 forwards I'd gas tomorrow. Of the guys here on the 28th October I wouldn't forcabley gas any though. They chose to stay and see it out and they'll have my backing to the very end. The team is crying out for additions for sure. We all know whats missing. I was there last night and tonight. I've gone in to both lacking the usual emotion that usually comes with this fixture. The results were pretty much nailed on and at no point did I feel upset by it.
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Post by iginla on Dec 27, 2023 22:23:12 GMT
Wasn’t there some horrible stat mentioned a little while ago that the last time Panthers beat Steelers at home was in 2018/19 or something,a streak of about 14 or 15 games ? (I may be wrong) We beat them 3-0 in the League a couple of Seasons back. It was the one where Massy scored in around 40 seconds, Hughes scored a Short Handed Goal and Balligion scored the 3td late I just had a quick look back over this season and last in league and cup and in 17 games it’s 16 wins for Steelers and 1 win for Panthers. That’s an unbelievable imbalance for two teams that ought to be evenly matched. Why ?
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Post by yeti on Dec 27, 2023 22:31:34 GMT
Got exactly what I expected today. I have no problem with most of the individual players on this team. Most of them put a hard shift in but the balance is wrong and they need reinforcements and they need to be the right players for what this team is lacking.
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Post by wannabe2 on Dec 27, 2023 22:33:10 GMT
Your budget is probably a third of Steelers, their 50/50 the other day probably would have paid 10 players wages for the week.
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Post by awooga on Dec 27, 2023 22:36:05 GMT
Historical head to heads are irrelevant. It’s the here and now that matters.
Steelers are head and shoulders above everyone this season - not just us. Provided they don’t do anything silly, they will win the title at a canter, as well as any cups.
No shame in the loss, the lads gave all they had. We are short on bodies as well as quality in comparison. I can’t think of any of our lads who would walk into their line up. Despres a few years ago maybe, but not otherwise.
They didn’t get out of 2nd gear to hold us at arms length. Passes went to their men, and stuck. Our lads had decent ideas at times, but there isn’t that understanding like you see with them.
Score could have been anything. A night to take your medicine and move on.
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Post by John Casey on Dec 27, 2023 22:40:19 GMT
I agree that they gave effort and I'm sure that playing The Steelers probably had an effect on them but over the 2 games, how many times did they break away and had an open man especially in front of the net. Unfortunately these Xmas games results are a frequent occurrence and this team is feeling the brunt of those frustrations. Go through my historical posts and you'll see plenty a rant after these Christmas games. You'll see i'm near the top of the list of moaners. I have my opinions on the quality of this roster and on ability those opinions arn't great. Talent wise this group of forwards is similar to the last 2 or 3 seasons, but it has a 100% more effort. It's also very obvious what is missing. Any normal season i'd be able to give you 3 forwards I'd gas tomorrow. Of the guys here on the 28th October I wouldn't forcabley gas any though. They chose to stay and see it out and they'll have my backing to the very end. The team is crying out for additions for sure. We all know whats missing. I was there last night and tonight. I've gone in to both lacking the usual emotion that usually comes with this fixture. The results were pretty much nailed on and at no point did I feel upset by it. I agree with the sentiments but as a fan, I had mixed feelings regarding beating these guys and realising that the players were doing their absolute best in extreme circumstances. There's got to be players out there that fills our needs even if it's just IR Cover. Hopefully now that these Sheffield games are out the ray, they can get refocused on the Coventry games I do wonder if these Sheffield games were praying on the players minds and that may explain the recent results
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Post by iginla on Dec 27, 2023 22:44:16 GMT
Your budget is probably a third of Steelers, their 50/50 the other day probably would have paid 10 players wages for the week. No chance,but Tony Smith will be absolutely coining it in. According to Kelman a couple of years ago he said the wage cap was £12,500 a week. According to Pacha/Black the Panthers spend the same as the other teams. Make of that what you will.
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Post by iginla on Dec 27, 2023 22:48:08 GMT
Historical head to heads are irrelevant. It’s the here and now that matters. Steelers are head and shoulders above everyone this season - not just us. Provided they don’t do anything silly, they will win the title at a canter, as well as any cups. No shame in the loss, the lads gave all they had. We are short on bodies as well as quality in comparison. I can’t think of any of our lads who would walk into their line up. Despres a few years ago maybe, but not otherwise. They didn’t get out of 2nd gear to hold us at arms length. Passes went to their men, and stuck. Our lads had decent ideas at times, but there isn’t that understanding like you see with them. Score could have been anything. A night to take your medicine and move on. Agreed,the gulf in quality is what counts,but results should tell you that you need to do something to address it. I said months ago just from looking at rosters my money was on the Steelers to win it this year.
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Post by awooga on Dec 27, 2023 22:48:55 GMT
Note that Rick Strachan did the media after Sheffield away, Kevin Moore did the interview tonight.
JP looked broken in his last interview. Hope he is OK.
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Post by yeti on Dec 27, 2023 22:50:10 GMT
Your budget is probably a third of Steelers, their 50/50 the other day probably would have paid 10 players wages for the week. According to Kelman a couple of years ago he said the wage cap was £12,500 a week. According to Pacha/Black the Panthers spend the same as the other teams. Make of that what you will. This season the cap has gone up and it is just a guideline now as opposed to a cap. Clearly Steelers are spending above it and we are not spending the same.
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Post by wgray on Dec 27, 2023 23:21:30 GMT
Credit to the guys tonight, they kept battling, Rok made some superb saves but look at our lineup tonight compared to Sheffield’s and the result was a pretty much forgone conclusion.
It’s leaving a real bitter taste in my mouth how everything has unfolded, we’ve fell apart and Sheffield have gone marching on.
One suggestion for the club, let’s stop playing Sheffield on the two days after Christmas, because it’s not doing any good for our club.
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Post by Higgy on Dec 27, 2023 23:36:32 GMT
Not much more left to say
Lots of effort as usual but Sheffield just too good in the end.
If that Welsh chance in the first had gone in things may been a bit different.
Rok was outstanding...probably the best I've seen him play for us.
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Post by jd on Dec 28, 2023 0:16:21 GMT
Note that Rick Strachan did the media after Sheffield away, Kevin Moore did the interview tonight. JP looked broken in his last interview. Hope he is OK. JP looked so low and broken. I’m really concerned for him. Kevin is just outstanding and I hope he’s with us for a while No way we are spending the same as Sheffield, not a chance. They’re quality and we just aren’t good enough. 5 players out and that’s too many.
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Post by happycloud on Dec 28, 2023 0:31:30 GMT
This may not be popular but I thought that Panthers were dreadful tonight. They looked beaten from the start. Very little passion character muscle or determination in my view. I appreciate what has happened but they may as well pack it in for this year if that is what is on offer and a massive change is needed for next year. Crowd were great but let down in my opinion.
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Post by iginla on Dec 28, 2023 0:34:34 GMT
Note that Rick Strachan did the media after Sheffield away, Kevin Moore did the interview tonight. JP looked broken in his last interview. Hope he is OK. JP looked so low and broken. I’m really concerned for him. Kevin is just outstanding and I hope he’s with us for a while No way we are spending the same as Sheffield, not a chance. They’re quality and we just aren’t good enough. 5 players out and that’s too many. Not sure what you’re basing that spending quote on JD. If you have a look at big league quality experience of NHL,AHL, DEL,SHL,Liga etc then Panthers are well ahead of Steelers. Steelers are just really solid top to bottom,no weak links like Panthers,they have a very very good goalie and the best Brit in the league.
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Post by Mark on Dec 28, 2023 0:47:41 GMT
Your budget is probably a third of Steelers, their 50/50 the other day probably would have paid 10 players wages for the week. Isn't there a wage cap?
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Post by Mark on Dec 28, 2023 1:03:51 GMT
Just not big enough. With all the missing players it was a massive ask, physically it was men against boys. Add to that the Steelers were head and shoulders above the Panthers technically, and a brick wall in net, the result was never in doubt.. On a positive note, faceoffs were better.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Dec 28, 2023 1:08:16 GMT
Wow, 2 new accounts registered within the past four hours and both in order to post on this thread within minutes.
That's a sudden surge of new posters based on a single game by any Cage standard surely?
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Post by blackandgold73 on Dec 28, 2023 1:49:51 GMT
Credit to the guys tonight, they kept battling, Rok made some superb saves but look at our lineup tonight compared to Sheffield’s and the result was a pretty much forgone conclusion. It’s leaving a real bitter taste in my mouth how everything has unfolded, we’ve fell apart and Sheffield have gone marching on. One suggestion for the club, let’s stop playing Sheffield on the two days after Christmas, because it’s not doing any good for our club. I'm completely with you on these last two points 100%. First year of having zero emotional engagement in the outcome of either of the games, in fact less than zero after some of Simmsy's comments since October. Wanted to support the team but couldn't bring myself to step back inside Sheffield (so god knows how the players felt!) and in the end I realised I didn't give a *bleep* about the outcome after the results of both games. Will back this set of players to the ends of the earth for sticking around and giving it everything but my engagement with any concept of a 'rivalry' with Steelers is gone. And I actually don't want it back. Kudos to the Steelers fans for everything they've done to support the Panthers fans, especially those they know were watching but the impression elements of their organisation have given since leaves a horrible aftertaste. Our team still has the bones of a very good side but we've lost our 'spark plug' player who raised everyone's game and someone clearly intended to be a franchise building player now we know he was on the uni deal. Before Adam's death we had 4 players in the top 10 for points in the league and a further 2 in the top 20. That's contention numbers. Now we don't have a single player still on PPG numbers, instead of 5. The players we have aren't suddenly not as good, but we've lost a crucial part of the team. The only other example that comes to mind is like when Tessier unexpectedly left mid season in 05-06. We went from contenders to also-rans. And in the absence of a similar signing I think we'll suffer the same this year. But, frankly, I'm okay with that under the circumstances. But right now we have a team of players who will give everything for each other. Add a few key components (either this year or next) and we all know what that kind of ethos is capable of. It's been a horrendous way for JP to learn the league and for all the talk of people saying they said what we were missing from the start, the reality is that until we lost AJ we were mixing it at the very sharpest end of the table. So we're weren't missing it then that much. But yes, I'm done with the Steelers games. And especially at Christmas. I don't want to see them in the schedule next year. I, for one, want to see Manchester in the schedule there. Other teams said the right things and some did the right things but when our team needed someone Storm were the ones there to get them back playing again. I won't forget that, and for me I'm all in on Storm games (in a friendly way) now. They've earned my respect in the inverse proportion to which our 'rivals' have lost it.
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Post by Mozzy on Dec 28, 2023 1:52:06 GMT
It's the annual Christmas Home Thrashing by The Steelers. They always seem to have an open man in our zone estin front of net. Our Forwards seem to be at either side of the posts. Need re-enforcements especially ones that can separate opposing player from Puck. Wasn’t there some horrible stat mentioned a little while ago that the last time Panthers beat Steelers at home was in 2018/19 or something,a streak of about 14 or 15 games ? (I may be wrong) We've won 14 consecutive competitive games against you now. 86% of all games since 2018\19. Something like 36 to 10 (4 of the 10 being in the mini Elite Series). Dunno why its so one sided for the last 5 years or so.
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Post by konopka on Dec 28, 2023 5:52:20 GMT
Credit to the guys tonight, they kept battling, Rok made some superb saves but look at our lineup tonight compared to Sheffield’s and the result was a pretty much forgone conclusion. It’s leaving a real bitter taste in my mouth how everything has unfolded, we’ve fell apart and Sheffield have gone marching on. One suggestion for the club, let’s stop playing Sheffield on the two days after Christmas, because it’s not doing any good for our club. I'm completely with you on these last two points 100%. First year of having zero emotional engagement in the outcome of either of the games, in fact less than zero after some of Simmsy's comments since October. Wanted to support the team but couldn't bring myself to step back inside Sheffield (so god knows how the players felt!) and in the end I realised I didn't give a *bleep* about the outcome after the results of both games. Will back this set of players to the ends of the earth for sticking around and giving it everything but my engagement with any concept of a 'rivalry' with Steelers is gone. And I actually don't want it back. Kudos to the Steelers fans for everything they've done to support the Panthers fans, especially those they know were watching but the impression elements of their organisation have given since leaves a horrible aftertaste. Our team still has the bones of a very good side but we've lost our 'spark plug' player who raised everyone's game and someone clearly intended to be a franchise building player now we know he was on the uni deal. Before Adam's death we had 4 players in the top 10 for points in the league and a further 2 in the top 20. That's contention numbers. Now we don't have a single player still on PPG numbers, instead of 5. The players we have aren't suddenly not as good, but we've lost a crucial part of the team. The only other example that comes to mind is like when Tessier unexpectedly left mid season in 05-06. We went from contenders to also-rans. And in the absence of a similar signing I think we'll suffer the same this year. But, frankly, I'm okay with that under the circumstances. But right now we have a team of players who will give everything for each other. Add a few key components (either this year or next) and we all know what that kind of ethos is capable of. It's been a horrendous way for JP to learn the league and for all the talk of people saying they said what we were missing from the start, the reality is that until we lost AJ we were mixing it at the very sharpest end of the table. So we're weren't missing it then that much. But yes, I'm done with the Steelers games. And especially at Christmas. I don't want to see them in the schedule next year. I, for one, want to see Manchester in the schedule there. Other teams said the right things and some did the right things but when our team needed someone Storm were the ones there to get them back playing again. I won't forget that, and for me I'm all in on Storm games (in a friendly way) now. They've earned my respect in the inverse proportion to which our 'rivals' have lost it. Probably the best contribution of the night by far and it would be so easy to be very critical. The raw emotion of the evening did get to me and the loss of Adam and a the trauma of squad still only 6 weeks ago simply didnt enter my mind. But overall, I'm really not sure how constructive performing such reviews of the game are. There's probably still huge trauma after such a tragedy. I don't think I could criticise the effort put in. Rok in particular had a great game. I just hope the organisation provides and continued to provide the necessary support to all those affected. I hope that for next season the organisation will be ready.
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Post by Robbie Nud on Dec 28, 2023 8:38:11 GMT
We were outplayed in almost every department last night. Face offs, first to the puck, passing, interception of passes, defending, forechecking, backchecking, etc. In some ways they had the outlook of being beaten before the puck was dropped, 3 forwards out, 1 dman (not counting Tetlow as he has been out for along time and Hazeldine was brought in as a replacement) then bring in a MacKenzie and don't give him a shift, what was the point? Of those out we were missing some of them badly, probably not Farley, 2 assists from 9 games isnt good enough. This is now a 5 game losing streak, and what is it playing back to back games with the same team? Third weekend in a row and then the same with Coventry coming up. Like a number of people, fed up of the 'routine' of playing the same teams on the same dates each year, was conjured up by past GM's to reinforce the rivalry, well one of them has gone, time for a change now.
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Post by iginla on Dec 28, 2023 9:02:23 GMT
We were outplayed in almost every department last night. Face offs, first to the puck, passing, interception of passes, defending, forechecking, backchecking, etc. In some ways they had the outlook of being beaten before the puck was dropped, 3 forwards out, 1 dman (not counting Tetlow as he has been out for along time and Hazeldine was brought in as a replacement) then bring in a MacKenzie and don't give him a shift, what was the point? Of those out we were missing some of them badly, probably not Farley, 2 assists from 9 games isnt good enough. This is now a 5 game losing streak, and what is it playing back to back games with the same team? Third weekend in a row and then the same with Coventry coming up. Like a number of people, fed up of the 'routine' of playing the same teams on the same dates each year, was conjured up by past GM's to reinforce the rivalry, well one of them has gone, time for a change now. Agree about back to back games and Christmas,long overdue time for a change. Have you seen what’s coming up versus Belfast ? An away double header and then home….3 in a row ! 🙄🙈
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Post by PantherTom on Dec 28, 2023 9:08:51 GMT
Can’t fault the players effort/work rate we just aren’t good enough! And the organisation is to blame. Farley looked crap when we signed him and is still crap Now, people say size doesn’t matter but last night proved it. If this team doesn’t get at least one power forward soon we’ll be down to 13/14 skaters! We were built on speed and skill but most teams have more speed and skill than we do.
Pacha has been around this league long enough to know what competes and he’s got it wrong 2 years in a row now! Not good enough
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Post by iginla on Dec 28, 2023 9:11:16 GMT
Wasn’t there some horrible stat mentioned a little while ago that the last time Panthers beat Steelers at home was in 2018/19 or something,a streak of about 14 or 15 games ? (I may be wrong) We've won 14 consecutive competitive games against you now. 86% of all games since 2018\19. Something like 36 to 10 (4 of the 10 being in the mini Elite Series). Dunno why its so one sided for the last 5 years or so. That was it,knew I’d seen something somewhere, before the last game Johnathan Fearnley said they were going for 13 in a row. It really is a very weird stat considering how teams change each year.
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