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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2023 18:44:30 GMT
During the summer Pacha said he wouldn't be signing physical players because in his opinion 'the league had moved on from that' He Cited Guildfords squad last season & that it was a waste of time having a player like Gagnon because he only had two fights last season... Maybe it was because he was a deterent Omar.... He has admitted he likes mobile fast skating teams The primary reason Pacha was brought to Nottingham wasn't his ability to put good teams on the ice, it was his business marketing degree & the fact he built up the crowds in Dundee year on year.You'd be amazed at the amount of easily entertained non season ticket holders who buy platinum seats at £38 each or thereabouts each in block 15... There seem to be plenty of them who think it's worth the money too 🙈 Just to add to this point, also likely that it was because he’d managed to be reasonably competitive with a small budget in Dundee When JP was hired this summer it was also mentioned that he was known to be someone who could do well with limitations and had over achieved with mid-budget teams in France Is that what Panthers now are then ? A mid budget team in this league? |
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Post by sevcik on Oct 2, 2023 19:22:03 GMT
During the summer Pacha said he wouldn't be signing physical players because in his opinion 'the league had moved on from that' He Cited Guildfords squad last season & that it was a waste of time having a player like Gagnon because he only had two fights last season... Maybe it was because he was a deterent Omar.... He has admitted he likes mobile fast skating teams The primary reason Pacha was brought to Nottingham wasn't his ability to put good teams on the ice, it was his business marketing degree & the fact he built up the crowds in Dundee year on year.You'd be amazed at the amount of easily entertained non season ticket holders who buy platinum seats at £38 each or thereabouts each in block 15... There seem to be plenty of them who think it's worth the money too 🙈 Just to add to this point, also likely that it was because he’d managed to be reasonably competitive with a small budget in Dundee When JP was hired this summer it was also mentioned that he was known to be someone who could do well with limitations and had over achieved with mid-budget teams in France It's also interesting to note that in general Dundees final league position in all of Omars seasons there (bar 1 - hus last) were lower than they had been in the immediate seasons before he took over there. Knowing that he looks a little less competitive/successful. Add to that if you look at Jeff Masons 1 and only season as coach & GM at Dundee, he took them to a 6th place league finish. A feat Omar couldn't manage there over several seasons You would assume with a identical/near identical budget |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 2, 2023 19:48:57 GMT
Just to add to this point, also likely that it was because he’d managed to be reasonably competitive with a small budget in Dundee When JP was hired this summer it was also mentioned that he was known to be someone who could do well with limitations and had over achieved with mid-budget teams in France Is that what Panthers now are then ? A mid budget team in this league? Only UK companies got COVID help/payouts so yes that’s a fact |
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Post by Jono Bullard on Oct 2, 2023 20:59:31 GMT
Just to add to this point, also likely that it was because he’d managed to be reasonably competitive with a small budget in Dundee When JP was hired this summer it was also mentioned that he was known to be someone who could do well with limitations and had over achieved with mid-budget teams in France It's also interesting to note that in general Dundees final league position in all of Omars seasons there (bar 1 - hus last) were lower than they had been in the immediate seasons before he took over there. Knowing that he looks a little less competitive/successful. Add to that if you look at Jeff Masons 1 and only season as coach at Dundee, he took them to a 6th place league finish. A feat Omar couldn't manage there over several seasons You would assume with a identical/near identical budget Dundee finished 10th last season with Jeff Mason as Head Coach. |
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Post by sevcik on Oct 2, 2023 21:05:40 GMT
It's also interesting to note that in general Dundees final league position in all of Omars seasons there (bar 1 - hus last) were lower than they had been in the immediate seasons before he took over there. Knowing that he looks a little less competitive/successful. Add to that if you look at Jeff Masons 1 and only season as coach at Dundee, he took them to a 6th place league finish. A feat Omar couldn't manage there over several seasons You would assume with a identical/near identical budget Dundee finished 10th last season with Jeff Mason as Head Coach. So they did. Apologies, I must have misread, but then Omar finished 10th twice. My point about Dundees league positions largely being better prior to Omars tenure still stands. Including a 3rd place finish... |
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Post by meadow on Oct 2, 2023 22:22:31 GMT
To be fair though, their 3rd place in 13-14 was an anomaly, every other EIHL season has been 7th-10th and possibly a showing in the quarters of playoffs. OP’s last season was relatively successful in that respect with a 7th place finish and making it to playoff weekend.
What I’m saying is that the marketing stuff and crowd increases as well as being able to pluck some relative successes from a limited budget are what likely caught NB’s eye
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Post by meadow on Oct 2, 2023 22:41:28 GMT
Just to add to this point, also likely that it was because he’d managed to be reasonably competitive with a small budget in Dundee When JP was hired this summer it was also mentioned that he was known to be someone who could do well with limitations and had over achieved with mid-budget teams in France Is that what Panthers now are then ? A mid budget team in this league? As much as I (or any other fan) doesn’t want it to be the case, I just can’t see it any other way these days. On pure speculation, I’d say Belfast, Cardiff and Shuff are in one spending group and we’re in one with Braehead, Cov and Guildford, albeit near the top of that group spending wise. I’ve said in previous posts, unfortunately panthers are what they are - a sports entertainment franchise owned by a consortium that wants a yield year on year. NB and finance Freddie are the ones making sure that yield isn’t unduly compromised by any ‘unnecessary’ day to day spending |
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Post by Joe on Oct 2, 2023 23:59:27 GMT
What is hard to fathom is that Pacha has been in this league for years and he too was a nasty little player that everyone hated, he knows what is needed to succeed in this league so why hasn't he signed that type of player. We have the skill but no one to 'police' the ice, we are constantly knocked off the puck. On a separate note & something Flying Shirt mentioned above, this venue is for a Saturday night out its in the centre of Nottingham with easy access, on Saturday night we had a whole row behind us in block 14 who hadn't got a bloody clue what was going off or even who they had come to see. The two girls behind were absolutely bladdered and spent the whole match screaming with another bunch behind, I'm surprised she didn't fall down the stairs and injure herself she even shouted why we didn't score a goal on an open net when Sheffield goalie went off for a penalty.. This is a regular occurrence this last few years with people coming in for the start of a Saturday night out on the lash, and to some extent there lies the problem because the crowds keep coming. The primary reason Pacha was brought to Nottingham wasn't his ability to put good teams on the ice, it was his business marketing degree & the fact he built up the crowds in Dundee year on year. This is what it always comes back to though, Black chose the easier and most likely cheaper option in bringing Pacha in so that we could shortcut our way to filling the arena and bringing more money in but success on the ice and off the ice has to be earned. Selling out games isn’t a complicated task but it’s difficult and the only way it can be achieved is through success. Simple fact is if Black wanted to put the money into making Panthers successful we’d have a packed arena of fans who genuinely care about the outcome of the game they’re watching and Black would be raking it in so every body would be happy |
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Post by Joe on Oct 3, 2023 0:09:43 GMT
Is that what Panthers now are then ? A mid budget team in this league? As much as I (or any other fan) doesn’t want it to be the case, I just can’t see it any other way these days. On pure speculation, I’d say Belfast, Cardiff and Shuff are in one spending group and we’re in one with Braehead, Cov and Guildford, albeit near the top of that group spending wise. Well ultimately either our rivals are breaking the salary cap or we’re not spending to it because it’s becoming a regular occurrence that our rivals are signing bigger and better squads than us on supposedly the same amount of money |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 3, 2023 6:27:51 GMT
As much as I (or any other fan) doesn’t want it to be the case, I just can’t see it any other way these days. On pure speculation, I’d say Belfast, Cardiff and Shuff are in one spending group and we’re in one with Braehead, Cov and Guildford, albeit near the top of that group spending wise. Well ultimately either our rivals are breaking the salary cap or we’re not spending to it because it’s becoming a regular occurrence that our rivals are signing bigger and better squads than us on supposedly the same amount of money The salary cap is like Santa Claus. A lovely story that you tell the kids. |
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Post by spik on Oct 5, 2023 9:57:06 GMT
Just a quick query. Was watching the 0-6 game on Notts TV last night. Because of the white ice colour over the screen, was able to see the screen brightness dim slightly and then boost back into bright colour as it should always be. This happened all the way through.
Was anyone getting this happening as well? As if it were part of the poor recording etc OR is this just my TV?
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Post by bobness on Oct 5, 2023 9:58:24 GMT
Just a quick query. Was watching the 0-6 game on Notts TV last night. Because of the white ice colour over the screen, was able to see the screen brightness dim slightly and then boost back into bright colour as it should always be. Was anyone getting this happening as if it were part of the poor recording etc OR is this just my TV? I think this is a "feature" of Panthers TV broadcasts. The white balance isn't constant, so it goes in and out. A bit frustrating. |
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Post by messier1851 on Oct 5, 2023 10:01:13 GMT
Just a quick query. Was watching the 0-6 game on Notts TV last night. Because of the white ice colour over the screen, was able to see the screen brightness dim slightly and then boost back into bright colour as it should always be. Was anyone getting this happening as if it were part of the poor recording etc OR is this just my TV? I think this is a "feature" of Panthers TV broadcasts. The white balance isn't constant, so it goes in and out. A bit frustrating. Camera's are probably set to auto-iris, it's easier to do it that way than to have a vision engineer adjusting them remotely but it does mean you sometimes get that 'pop' when they re-balance. |
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Post by spik on Oct 5, 2023 10:01:29 GMT
Just a quick query. Was watching the 0-6 game on Notts TV last night. Because of the white ice colour over the screen, was able to see the screen brightness dim slightly and then boost back into bright colour as it should always be. Was anyone getting this happening as if it were part of the poor recording etc OR is this just my TV? I think this is a "feature" of Panthers TV broadcasts. The white balance isn't constant, so it goes in and out. A bit frustrating. Yer, it really bugged me. But this being a newish TV, had hoped it was not a fault at my end but its not an expensive piece of kit either. |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 5, 2023 10:19:30 GMT
I think this is a "feature" of Panthers TV broadcasts. The white balance isn't constant, so it goes in and out. A bit frustrating. Camera's are probably set to auto-iris, it's easier to do it that way than to have a vision engineer adjusting them remotely but it does mean you sometimes get that 'pop' when they re-balance. The overhead face off is the worst. 15 seconds to fix on the camera and the same in post production. Very lazy considering (Dan Greens mic aside) it’s a very good webcast |
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