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Post by Joe on Aug 10, 2023 11:47:20 GMT
According to someone that has actually coached against him and has knowledge of the EIHL, he’ll be one of the best offensive Dmen in the league so that’s at least some cause for optimism
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Post by pantherlee on Aug 10, 2023 12:02:07 GMT
Dossier? I just said a bit of substance. You never say why your opinion is what it is. It’s always just throw away comments and if you throw enough mud most of it sticks and when one comes to fruition you proclaim yourself the oracle Does everyone on this forum give a reasoning behind a player after they've signed ? I think not .. Some reactions are merely .. looks ok, bit meh etc etc 🙄 Just because he hasn't had the reaction you crave for your beloved Panthers from some posters.. 🤣 All I really tried to do was to get you to stand up your argument rather than agree with me. All you’ve shown is that you can’t
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Post by pantherlee on Aug 10, 2023 12:09:42 GMT
According to someone that has actually coached against him and has knowledge of the EIHL, he’ll be one of the best offensive Dmen in the league so that’s at least some cause for optimism It does sound promising. I do think that our defence has been mediocre for the last few years now (something i actually agree with pidge about). We’ve not had a good “quarterback” blue liner for so long now and now potentially we may have a couple in Bjorkung and Neill. To finish now I do think we need a real big no nonsense guy to finish it off (another thing we haven’t had in a good while) as without I would still worry about our defences leakiness. However it was pretty much the same scenario last year and we ended up with Lagrone
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Post by Bagheera on Aug 10, 2023 12:19:22 GMT
According to someone that has actually coached against him and has knowledge of the EIHL, he’ll be one of the best offensive Dmen in the league so that’s at least some cause for optimism It does sound promising. I do think that our defence has been mediocre for the last few years now (something i actually agree with pidge about). We’ve not had a good “quarterback” blue liner for so long now and now potentially we may have a couple in Bjorkung and Neill. To finish now I do think we need a real big no nonsense guy to finish it off (another thing we haven’t had in a good while) as without I would still worry about our defences leakiness. However it was pretty much the same scenario last year and we ended up with Lagrone Exactly that. The last Dman is critical. Another Lagrone and i'll be concerned. A Beckett and we look strong. The story of the last few seasons has been expecting and hoping for 1 thing to finish it off but getting the opposite.
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Post by Joe on Aug 10, 2023 12:25:36 GMT
According to someone that has actually coached against him and has knowledge of the EIHL, he’ll be one of the best offensive Dmen in the league so that’s at least some cause for optimism It does sound promising. I do think that our defence has been mediocre for the last few years now (something i actually agree with pidge about). We’ve not had a good “quarterback” blue liner for so long now and now potentially we may have a couple in Bjorkung and Neill. To finish now I do think we need a real big no nonsense guy to finish it off (another thing we haven’t had in a good while) as without I would still worry about our defences leakiness. However it was pretty much the same scenario last year and we ended up with Lagrone I wonder based on who we’ve signed if Caruso and Tetlow might be tasked with providing that physicality on the backend because at times Caruso showed that he can be a physical presence but if it’s few and far between then there’s not much point
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Post by pantherlee on Aug 10, 2023 12:44:03 GMT
It does sound promising. I do think that our defence has been mediocre for the last few years now (something i actually agree with pidge about). We’ve not had a good “quarterback” blue liner for so long now and now potentially we may have a couple in Bjorkung and Neill. To finish now I do think we need a real big no nonsense guy to finish it off (another thing we haven’t had in a good while) as without I would still worry about our defences leakiness. However it was pretty much the same scenario last year and we ended up with Lagrone I wonder based on who we’ve signed if Caruso and Tetlow might be tasked with providing that physicality on the backend because at times Caruso showed that he can be a physical presence but if it’s few and far between then there’s not much point Caruso has got a lot to prove this season I believe. He is the definition of a stud defender if you look at his CV and was very underwhelming. Here’s hoping he does a Bryan Schmidt and has a much better second season. He did start off with a significant injury though and was alongside some really poor players which may have left him a little exposed
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Post by bobness on Aug 10, 2023 13:48:35 GMT
Caruso had a season he'll want to forget last year, I think, through no fault of his own, he was often a lone voice in the wilderness. Here's hoping he shows us what he's really capable of in a defensively decent team.
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Post by Joe on Aug 10, 2023 13:51:00 GMT
I wonder based on who we’ve signed if Caruso and Tetlow might be tasked with providing that physicality on the backend because at times Caruso showed that he can be a physical presence but if it’s few and far between then there’s not much point Caruso has got a lot to prove this season I believe. He is the definition of a stud defender if you look at his CV and was very underwhelming. Here’s hoping he does a Bryan Schmidt and has a much better second season. He did start off with a significant injury though and was alongside some really poor players which may have left him a little exposed He was signed as our go to guy last season and it’s clear he’s not going to be that this season so hopefully he can just focus on his defensive side of the game and as you say have a Bryan Schmidt level turn around
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Post by pantherlee on Aug 10, 2023 14:57:09 GMT
Caruso had a season he'll want to forget last year, I think, through no fault of his own, he was often a lone voice in the wilderness. Here's hoping he shows us what he's really capable of in a defensively decent team. I agree apart from it being none of his own fault. Yes there were plenty of aspects that went against him but he is responsible for his own personal performances and can’t really think of a game I watched last season where I thought “wow Caruso is having a good game”
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2023 15:17:36 GMT
I wonder based on who we’ve signed if Caruso and Tetlow might be tasked with providing that physicality on the backend because at times Caruso showed that he can be a physical presence but if it’s few and far between then there’s not much point Caruso has got a lot to prove this season I believe. He is the definition of a stud defender if you look at his CV and was very underwhelming. Here’s hoping he does a Bryan Schmidt and has a much better second season. He did start off with a significant injury though and was alongside some really poor players which may have left him a little exposed You best hope Caruso has a career year.. 😬😉
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2023 15:19:15 GMT
Does everyone on this forum give a reasoning behind a player after they've signed ? I think not .. Some reactions are merely .. looks ok, bit meh etc etc 🙄 Just because he hasn't had the reaction you crave for your beloved Panthers from some posters.. 🤣 All I really tried to do was to get you to stand up your argument rather than agree with me. All you’ve shown is that you can’t Well I have done and to top it off you've literally admitted Panthers defence has been crap for years 🤷🤦
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Post by bobness on Aug 10, 2023 15:33:05 GMT
Caruso had a season he'll want to forget last year, I think, through no fault of his own, he was often a lone voice in the wilderness. Here's hoping he shows us what he's really capable of in a defensively decent team. I agree apart from it being none of his own fault. Yes there were plenty of aspects that went against him but he is responsible for his own personal performances and can’t really think of a game I watched last season where I thought “wow Caruso is having a good game” You may well have a point there, to be fair. In terms of games where the "full time" D were either "net +" (+1, +2, +3 etc) or "net -" (and games at "net even/no data excluded), the numbers were Caruso: 11 games net +, 19 games net -, overall -6 Gagnon: 13 and 19, -15 Brassard: 16 and 25, -15 Summers: 17 and 22, -13
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Post by pantherlee on Aug 10, 2023 15:43:18 GMT
All I really tried to do was to get you to stand up your argument rather than agree with me. All you’ve shown is that you can’t Well I have done and to top it off you've literally admitted Panthers defence has been crap for years 🤷🤦 Firstly I was just looking to start a debate about a new signing. I don’t crave anything from anybody least of all you Secondly, look at everyone else’s post. They’ve given their opinions and explained WHY to give it substance. Something you never seem able to do. And thirdly, yes I agree that panthers defence has been pretty awful for a good few years and I’ve never said otherwise but that has nothing to do with the signing of Bjorkung or this year’s defence which is what this thread is all about
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2023 15:56:17 GMT
Well I have done and to top it off you've literally admitted Panthers defence has been crap for years 🤷🤦 Firstly I was just looking to start a debate about a new signing. I don’t crave anything from anybody least of all you Secondly, look at everyone else’s post. They’ve given their opinions and explained WHY to give it substance. Something you never seem able to do. And thirdly, yes I agree that panthers defence has been pretty awful for a good few years and I’ve never said otherwise but that has nothing to do with the signing of Bjorkung or this year’s defence which is what this thread is all about Not EVERYONE gives derailed analysis on signings sometimes just one or two word opinions on them. You should know panthers have the ability in turning half decent players into crap ones.
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Post by pantherlee on Aug 10, 2023 16:25:22 GMT
Firstly I was just looking to start a debate about a new signing. I don’t crave anything from anybody least of all you Secondly, look at everyone else’s post. They’ve given their opinions and explained WHY to give it substance. Something you never seem able to do. And thirdly, yes I agree that panthers defence has been pretty awful for a good few years and I’ve never said otherwise but that has nothing to do with the signing of Bjorkung or this year’s defence which is what this thread is all about Not EVERYONE gives derailed analysis on signings sometimes just one or two word opinions on them. You should know panthers have the ability in turning half decent players into crap ones. True. We’ve had our fair share of players that have underperformed. All clubs are guilty are of that. Even Belfast winning everything last had Angeli, Buthcher and Gilbert who flopped. Where Panthers fall short imo is holding onto too many flops for too long rather than upgrading. Another factor to that is poor coaching. We’ve gone from Chernomaz to Wallace to Graham to Neilson again. All of whom have been crap and that turnover and underperformance is probably a good reason why when we do get a good one such as Herr or Welychka we can never seem to hang on them and build a core like Belfast, Cardiff and Sheffield do. If the new coach is the right man and gets things right then that may change
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Post by bursar1066 on Aug 11, 2023 7:43:07 GMT
A very good point
Our retention rate for overseas players has always been poor
Perhaps Spik could consult his records and let us know which overseas players have stayed more than two years in the ISL/Elite era, excluding such as Adey and Weber who were almost Brits
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Post by bobness on Aug 11, 2023 8:14:12 GMT
Since the new arena, imports playing in 3 or more straight seasons. (very brief look, E&OE) Paek Hadden Nieckar Cadotte Carlsson Bergin Molin Neilson Galbraith Beauregard Lepine Benedict Lawrence Lindhagen
Not a long list... Certainly compared to Cardiff, Belfast and Steelers, I'd expect.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2023 8:39:46 GMT
Since the new arena, imports playing in 3 or more straight seasons. (very brief look, E&OE) Paek Hadden Nieckar Cadotte Carlsson Bergin Molin Neilson Galbraith Beauregard Lepine Benedict Lawrence Lindhagen Not a long list... Certainly compared to Cardiff, Belfast and Steelers, I'd expect. And I'd expect it's to do with a mixture of they won't give them a payrise on the back of a successful season or they ain't treated very well. I wonder if Herr had the season he had at Cardiff or Belfast he would have been enticed into a 2nd season?
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Post by pantherlee on Aug 11, 2023 8:41:47 GMT
Since the new arena, imports playing in 3 or more straight seasons. (very brief look, E&OE) Paek Hadden Nieckar Cadotte Carlsson Bergin Molin Neilson Galbraith Beauregard Lepine Benedict Lawrence Lindhagen Not a long list... Certainly compared to Cardiff, Belfast and Steelers, I'd expect. Add Kowalski to that list
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Post by pantherlee on Aug 11, 2023 8:45:38 GMT
Since the new arena, imports playing in 3 or more straight seasons. (very brief look, E&OE) Paek Hadden Nieckar Cadotte Carlsson Bergin Molin Neilson Galbraith Beauregard Lepine Benedict Lawrence Lindhagen Not a long list... Certainly compared to Cardiff, Belfast and Steelers, I'd expect. It’s not a long list but notice that there isn’t a single player on there since Corey left. I think it’s big part of why Panthers have been poor ever since because they’re never building on anything. It’s always back to square one at start of every season
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Post by bobness on Aug 11, 2023 9:11:41 GMT
Since the new arena, imports playing in 3 or more straight seasons. (very brief look, E&OE) Paek Hadden Nieckar Cadotte Carlsson Bergin Molin Neilson Galbraith Beauregard Lepine Benedict Lawrence Lindhagen Not a long list... Certainly compared to Cardiff, Belfast and Steelers, I'd expect. And I'd expect it's to do with a mixture of they won't give them a payrise on the back of a successful season or they ain't treated very well. I wonder if Herr had the season he had at Cardiff or Belfast he would have been enticed into a 2nd season? What we don't know is if just money is a motivating factor in all of these. These above all played at least 3 straight seasons, so were happy to come back twice, so it can't be ever so much to do with poor money/treatment for them or they wouldn't have come back at all. What's pretty obvious is the lack of continuity in the last few years, compared to especially Devils, who have multiple players playing multiple years. That might be more money/treatment related, but what we can never know is if money is a large enough factor. Herr, for example, went to be a top scorer in a much better league than the EIHL, and is now a top scorer in DEL2. I would've given my right arm to see Herr back, but if he wants to leave, and money isn't the only factor, you can't do much. Most of the last few years though, few players have had seasons that would have people screaming for a return, wouldn't you say? Why that is is a whole thread to itself.
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Post by messier1851 on Aug 11, 2023 9:14:10 GMT
Since the new arena, imports playing in 3 or more straight seasons. (very brief look, E&OE) Paek Hadden Nieckar Cadotte Carlsson Bergin Molin Neilson Galbraith Beauregard Lepine Benedict Lawrence Lindhagen Not a long list... Certainly compared to Cardiff, Belfast and Steelers, I'd expect. And I'd expect it's to do with a mixture of they won't give them a payrise on the back of a successful season or they ain't treated very well. I wonder if Herr had the season he had at Cardiff or Belfast he would have been enticed into a 2nd season? We will never know. It’s unlikely we could’ve tempted him back for another season but seeing as we didn’t have a season to tempt him back for there was no chance.
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Post by jd on Aug 11, 2023 10:16:21 GMT
And I'd expect it's to do with a mixture of they won't give them a payrise on the back of a successful season or they ain't treated very well. I wonder if Herr had the season he had at Cardiff or Belfast he would have been enticed into a 2nd season? What we don't know is if just money is a motivating factor in all of these. These above all played at least 3 straight seasons, so were happy to come back twice, so it can't be ever so much to do with poor money/treatment for them or they wouldn't have come back at all. What's pretty obvious is the lack of continuity in the last few years, compared to especially Devils, who have multiple players playing multiple years. That might be more money/treatment related, but what we can never know is if money is a large enough factor. Herr, for example, went to be a top scorer in a much better league than the EIHL, and is now a top scorer in DEL2. I would've given my right arm to see Herr back, but if he wants to leave, and money isn't the only factor, you can't do much. Most of the last few years though, few players have had seasons that would have people screaming for a return, wouldn't you say? Why that is is a whole thread to itself. Remember hearing CN say that money, family/wives, the league, playing in another country all come into it. But we seem to suck at retaining players, but I agree with you, would we have wanted to keep many over the last few seasons? Herr aside, cant think of many.
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Post by bursar1066 on Aug 11, 2023 13:19:17 GMT
Thank you Bobness
You confirmed my suspicions
And has already been pointed out, the vast majority of these are during the more successful Neilson era
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Post by bobness on Aug 11, 2023 14:04:16 GMT
Thank you Bobness You confirmed my suspicions And has already been pointed out, the vast majority of these are during the more successful Neilson era Panthers seem to be in the mode of an annual clear-out every year just lately. It does make life difficult.
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