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Post by messier1851 on Jul 5, 2023 12:04:49 GMT
The full breakdown is here.. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qdZaKjkIatQr1w3CfBaxOJJ7oa5FcYtFGl0QMrVoroA/edit#gid=1906617256Some headline stats for you all. Five players who have played in the BISL have their name engraved on Lord Stanley's Cup, Frank Pietrangelo won it with Pittsburgh in 1991, Ken Priestlay and Jamie Leach both have their names on the cup from the Penguins 1992 cup win. Our own Jim Paek is on there for both 1991 and 1992. Finally, Andre Racicot won the cup with Montreal in 1993 and spent the 1997-98 campaign with Basingstoke Bison. Steelers led the way with 23 ex-NHLers representing them, Panthers were second with 22. London managed 16 in just five seasons, although Guy Leveque appears to have played a single cup match and no league games, although I've included him. Paul Kruse had the most NHL appearances with 423, eight players have played in the BISL after making a solitary NHL appearance, including former Panthers Darryl Olsen, Eric Lavigne and Jordan Willis. In total 110 players have played in both the NHL and BISL. 11 of those players had played in the NHL the season before coming to the BISL, perhaps most memorably Ayr netminder Joaquin Gage and Cardiff forward Travis Brigley, who played in the show before and after his spell in Wales. As mentioned elsewhere on the forum two players, played in the NHL after leaving the BISL having never played in the show before playing in the UK, Doug Doull spent 2000/01 with Manchester Storm before making 36 appearances for Washington and Boston. The same season Finnish Dman Janne Niskala spent a loan spell with the Storm, eight seasons later he would play six times for Tampa Bay.
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Post by bobness on Jul 5, 2023 12:19:34 GMT
Top stattage. 👍
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Post by Panthers44 on Jul 5, 2023 16:35:31 GMT
Paul Kruse had the most NHL appearances with 423, Garry Unger had 1105 games in the NHL. Doesn't that beat Paul Kruse
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Post by messier1851 on Jul 5, 2023 17:08:56 GMT
Paul Kruse had the most NHL appearances with 423, Garry Unger had 1105 games in the NHL. Doesn't that beat Paul Kruse Impressive. Kruse had the most in the old BISL. I haven’t worked back as far as the BHL as yet, that feels like quite a mammoth task.
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Post by iginla on Jul 5, 2023 18:04:41 GMT
Paul Kruse had the most NHL appearances with 423, Garry Unger had 1105 games in the NHL. Doesn't that beat Paul Kruse I thought Nick Boynton played well over 600 games in the NHL and so somehow (although I’m not sure how) did Chris Stewart ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2023 18:08:42 GMT
I'm pretty sure Glenn Anderson ex Oiler, played over in the UK, 1129 NHL games
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Post by wannabe2 on Jul 5, 2023 18:45:26 GMT
Glenn Anderson never played in the UK except for 1 friendly for the Cardiff Devils v a German Team whos name escapes me now, think it may have been Stuttgart.He offered to sign for the Devils if the Devils gave his wife a Devils credit card, and himself £1000 per week plus a car and a apartment in the City Centre. This was over 30 yrs ago I believe.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2023 20:35:36 GMT
Yeah I thought the team were devils.. what a signing he would have been .. a key piece of that oilers dynasty
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Post by yeti on Jul 5, 2023 21:36:30 GMT
You also had Doug Snail with 845 games in the NHL. Probably the best player in the old Heineken League when he first played for Fife.
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Post by bobness on Jul 6, 2023 6:32:08 GMT
You also had Doug Snail with 845 games in the NHL. Probably the best player in the old Heineken League when he first played for Fife. And signed direct from a season when he played 51 times for Ottawa. 😳Then he persuaded his mate the Sens captain to come over to Fife….
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Post by bobness on Jul 6, 2023 8:11:49 GMT
Garry Unger had 1105 games in the NHL. Doesn't that beat Paul Kruse I thought Nick Boynton played well over 600 games in the NHL and so somehow (although I’m not sure how) did Chris Stewart ? I think the OP was pointing out that Kruse was top in ISL NHL players. Unger was pre ISL, Boynton/Stewart post ISL. Stewart we didn't see at his peak, but he was still good enough to play in the NHL the season after he was here.
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Post by messier1851 on Jul 6, 2023 8:59:21 GMT
I thought Nick Boynton played well over 600 games in the NHL and so somehow (although I’m not sure how) did Chris Stewart ? I think the OP was pointing out that Kruse was top in ISL NHL players. Unger was pre ISL, Boynton/Stewart post ISL. Stewart we didn't see at his peak, but he was still good enough to play in the NHL the season after he was here. Aye, should've made that a bit clearer, that list is BISL only, so covers 1996-2003. There's an EIHL one that's complete earlier in the thread. One rainy day I'm amalgamate everything and hope it comes up on a pub quiz one day. Obviously Theo Fleury played over 1000 games in the NHL as well, prior to his Belfast stint. I do plan to take a look at the old BHL at some point, I've just been working backwards from present day because I've at least got a slight base of knowledge of that period, my first season watching games was 01-02. I've done the BNL as well, I hadn't realised that a few players had come over and played during the lockout for Guildford and Bracknell.
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Post by bobness on Jul 6, 2023 9:47:39 GMT
David Oliver, Jamie McLennan, Derek Bekar, Brendan Witt, Chris McAllister I think? Oliver, Witt and McLennan went back to play NHL.
IIRC, Witt only played 3 games, around Christmas, all against the same team?
Greg Kuznik also played BNL (and never higher in the UK) having played NHL. As did Mark Morrison.
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Post by shinobi on Jul 9, 2023 14:33:16 GMT
Doug Smail (845 NHL games) & Laurie Boschman (1009 NHL games) were great additions for their UK teams at the time. I remember playing NHL 94 & they were both on the Ottawa roster 🤣
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Post by bobness on Jul 12, 2023 10:54:36 GMT
One thing I remember very clearly, as I used to get the Hockey news a lot at the time, was that briefly ex Bee Eric Bertrand signed a 2 way the year after, scored 59 points in the AHL for Hershey, and was called up (at least once) by the Avs, but didn't get a game before being sent down again. He was playing in the LNAH up to the season before last! (He was one of the ISL players who played in the NHL the season before coming to the UK)
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Post by iginla on Jul 12, 2023 11:30:07 GMT
One thing I remember very clearly, as I used to get the Hockey news a lot at the time, was that briefly ex Bee Eric Bertrand signed a 2 way the year after, scored 59 points in the AHL for Hershey, and was called up (at least once) by the Avs, but didn't get a game before being sent down again. He was playing in the LNAH up to the season before last! (He was one of the ISL players who played in the NHL the season before coming to the UK) Bet he didn’t come for 1/20th share of £12.5k a week. 🤣
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Post by bobness on Jul 12, 2023 12:12:14 GMT
One thing I remember very clearly, as I used to get the Hockey news a lot at the time, was that briefly ex Bee Eric Bertrand signed a 2 way the year after, scored 59 points in the AHL for Hershey, and was called up (at least once) by the Avs, but didn't get a game before being sent down again. He was playing in the LNAH up to the season before last! (He was one of the ISL players who played in the NHL the season before coming to the UK) Bet he didn’t come for 1/20th share of £12.5k a week. 🤣 Well, no. That was the ISL’s problem. Spend spend spend, why are there only 5 teams left? And yet some pretty high end players do come. AHL salaries are not as huge as you might think. $55k average, apparently. Which of course means half of them are on less than that.
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Post by messier1851 on Jul 13, 2023 11:22:44 GMT
Bet he didn’t come for 1/20th share of £12.5k a week. 🤣 Well, no. That was the ISL’s problem. Spend spend spend, why are there only 5 teams left? And yet some pretty high end players do come. AHL salaries are not as huge as you might think. $55k average, apparently. Which of course means half of them are on less than that. Also worth keeping in mind that the exchange rate was consistently around $1.6 to £1 in the late 90's and early 00's, now it's closer to $1.2 to £1, so we have less money to spend and it doesn't go as far as it once did.
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Post by messier1851 on Jul 13, 2023 12:23:19 GMT
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Post by spik on Jul 13, 2023 15:15:38 GMT
Get yourself back in here. Won't be happy till you've got to 1896, well when NHL players first visited these shores which was?
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Post by bobness on Jul 13, 2023 15:57:55 GMT
Oh my goodness, that's a piece of work. Tremendous effort. Some proper blasts from the past there. Tyler Larter also played for Panthers, didn't he? Or was that only pre-season? TBH, I can't remember that much about him?
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Post by iginla on Jul 13, 2023 17:10:09 GMT
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Post by spik on Jul 13, 2023 19:47:47 GMT
Oh my goodness, that's a piece of work. Tremendous effort. Some proper blasts from the past there. Tyler Larter also played for Panthers, didn't he? Or was that only pre-season? TBH, I can't remember that much about him? Mr. Larter did manage in 93-94, 5 games, 7+6 with 13 pims
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Post by yeti on Jul 17, 2023 20:51:40 GMT
Oh my goodness, that's a piece of work. Tremendous effort. Some proper blasts from the past there. Tyler Larter also played for Panthers, didn't he? Or was that only pre-season? TBH, I can't remember that much about him? Mr. Larter did manage in 93-94, 5 games, 7+6 with 13 pims Replaced by Ross Lambert from what I can remember.
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Post by spik on Jul 17, 2023 22:55:28 GMT
Mr. Larter did manage in 93-94, 5 games, 7+6 with 13 pims Replaced by Ross Lambert from what I can remember. Definitely the same season...played 60, 69 + 100 for 169 points and 184 pims followed up in 94-95 with 63, 53 + 103 for 156 and 181 pims (similar stats in those two seasons).
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