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Post by Robbie Nud on Mar 19, 2023 20:21:54 GMT
Is Corey the best person for the job?
Is he good enough?
He won the league once and admitted that the team that season virtually coached themselves, lots of cup and playoffs success but provided you make the top 8 then you only have to win 3 games (convincing win in one leg of the qf) for the playoffs championship. Challenge cup, make to the knockout stages and the same.
Has he the ability to win the league?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 19, 2023 20:29:27 GMT
If no money is being spent I don’t think it makes a difference if Paws is coach. The organisation is just run to extract money from people without spending anything and they seem to be doing it just fine
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Post by samantha on Mar 19, 2023 21:33:28 GMT
It is also time for Omar to go, he had a hand signing this team and cares more about the Off Ice Product rather than the On Ice. Yes, sort the off Ice product after the On Ice is healthy. We are just all cash Cows
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Mar 19, 2023 23:11:19 GMT
First and foremost, Neilson was brought back to boost crowds (or an attempt in Omar to boost crowds - old fan favourite etc). In reality he is a cheap option and available at the time.
Neilson is what he has inherited however, someone who can do it and has done it, but for whatever reason won’t do it. Much like the Hammond’s, Ferrara’s etc of this team, one Neilson’s biggest frustrations is we all know he’s good enough.
Around October 2012, he found a couple of lines that clicked, which for the one and only time he stuck with them and they thrived. Now it’s clearly not as simple as just that, but whenever it used to matter (CHL, numerous playoffs or CC’s) Neilson could motivate teams and pick the right lines better than anyone. Whether he gets bored or something I don’t know but his endless need to chop and change, and the eternal quest he has to change players positions and lines, just doesn’t work.
Having watched Neilson’s teams year on year, he has often made me wonder that rather than he can’t win, he won’t win. Sounds strange but the amount of hot players he’d suddenly swap their lines etc.
If / when Neilson does go, the young up-and-coming Brits will miss him however, because Corey has a good record with developing Brits and it’s something Panthers have lacked since he left. New coaches to the league don’t seem to cotton onto the long term aims that developing Brits gain.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 20, 2023 0:15:31 GMT
Is Corey the best person for the job? He was, once upon a time. Should've called it a day before he did, and certainly shouldn't have answered the phone to Pacha. Agree with Kovalchuk17, he was a populist appointment. No one puts the band back together more often than the Panthers, we can't help ourselves.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2023 7:18:26 GMT
You should be doing a poll for the ownership.. like I've said a million times it makes no odds who the coach is.
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Post by Spooks on Mar 20, 2023 9:30:01 GMT
Like many been saying the same thing for 15+ years.
Nothing will change until the NB leaves, everything is pulled down and restarted over a couple of years including the CASH cow the NIC has, how the players are looked after accommodation etc Puy some pride, responsibility is put back into this club. Hockey is not entertainment first, Its sport first where winning is the entertainment not some pre thought show or throwing pucks to plastic cat in the middle of rink.
Disgusting state of affairs AGAIN at the Panthers and the OWNERS need to be ashamed.
Same goes for the wage cap, its not for keeping the game afloat in the UK its for keeping a selective few owners in fine wine and expensive cars.
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Post by jd on Mar 20, 2023 11:17:50 GMT
Agree that until NB goes that nothing will really change.
CN is a good coach, we won a lot under him and since he's gone what have we done? RC, GG, TW - not been great has it? But this squad is awful. So many bang average players, worst i've seen in my 25 years of coming. How many would play for Sheff/Cardiff/Belfast or Guilford? Not many if any. If we are paying the same wage bill as the top 4 then we've been robbed.
New owner, proper investment, would be interesting to see what that would do to the players/club. Omar can only do so much.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 20, 2023 11:39:36 GMT
Agree that until NB goes that nothing will really change. CN is a good coach, we won a lot under him and since he's gone what have we done? RC, GG, TW - not been great has it? But this squad is awful. So many bang average players, worst i've seen in my 25 years of coming. How many would play for Sheff/Cardiff/Belfast or Guilford? Not many if any. If we are paying the same wage bill as the top 4 then we've been robbed. New owner, proper investment, would be interesting to see what that would do to the players/club. Omar can only do so much. None of them would get into Sheffield, Cardiff, Belfast or Guildford. None of them.
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Post by texpef on Mar 20, 2023 11:46:22 GMT
Nielson as coach? god no...
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Post by Discoray on Mar 21, 2023 10:46:05 GMT
The parallels between you and us this season are pretty uncanny, as we're asking a similar question about Dyson Stevenson, and his effectiveness is probably around the same as Neilson's.
Not his team, but probably made the dressing room a less miserable place to be in, team shape up a bit better on the ice, usually work harder than the they did for the last guy, but it's all for nought as the lack of quality and chemistry is too much for even the best coaches to turnaround.
Most Clan fans would probably give Stevenson a shot next season with his own team, though for yourselves with his past tenure, keep Neilson on beyond this season would add to the staleness and frustrations. So best to have someone else in.
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Post by awooga on Mar 21, 2023 11:02:01 GMT
Is there a queue of people waiting to buy the Panthers?
Before anyone says it’s not for sale, it doesn’t have to have a for sale board up - anyone could approach if they wanted to.
Whilst not defending the owners, I don’t believe it’s the cash cow that many on here believe it is.
See that CN has set up a little coaching business, and his skills have been praised on Twitter by one of the Hazeldines. Clearly, some players but into his knowledge- just not the current roster!
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 21, 2023 11:03:31 GMT
Whilst not defending the owners, I don’t believe it’s the cash cow that many on here believe it is. How can you honestly think that?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2023 11:07:39 GMT
Definitely on the wind up with that statement! Lol.
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Post by awooga on Mar 21, 2023 11:45:42 GMT
Whilst not defending the owners, I don’t believe it’s the cash cow that many on here believe it is. How can you honestly think that? If there was decent money in it, you’d see more interest in buying teams, new ones created or the teams in the lower league wanting a share of the pie. Teams have gone to the wall, or seem to be happy to play at the lower level. Why is that? I note that Leeds won the title in the league below us, but there’s no promotion or relegation. Why? I suspect that there’s no benefit financially to step up? It’s probably not helped with an amateur league set up either. I’m lost on how there is no TV coverage for the sport - when Sky / BT Sports will show people playing conkers. I’d be amazed if the club gets more than the price of a bag of crisps for the Notts TV coverage. Revenue streams are from bums on seats and sponsorship. Can’t see usage of the Arena being cheap, and I doubt we have much negotiating power with them on the lease (or split % on ticket sales? Don’t know how that works). I’d bet (like most sports) that after premises, wages, admin, insurance and travel there ain’t a lot left. Recruitment on the ice has been poor, but that translates to poorer ticket sales, so scrimping is counter productive. In summary, don’t think they are coining it in. Just made bad decisions with players and coaches. Also, if we were successful, nobody would care about the financial side. It’s because we are poor that everything is scrutinised.
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Post by Joe on Mar 21, 2023 12:14:26 GMT
How can you honestly think that? If there was decent money in it, you’d see more interest in buying teams, new ones created or the teams in the lower league wanting a share of the pie. Teams have gone to the wall, or seem to be happy to play at the lower level. Why is that? I note that Leeds won the title in the league below us, but there’s no promotion or relegation. Why? I suspect that there’s no benefit financially to step up? It’s probably not helped with an amateur league set up either. I’m lost on how there is no TV coverage for the sport - when Sky / BT Sports will show people playing conkers. I’d be amazed if the club gets more than the price of a bag of crisps for the Notts TV coverage. Revenue streams are from bums on seats and sponsorship. Can’t see usage of the Arena being cheap, and I doubt we have much negotiating power with them on the lease (or split % on ticket sales? Don’t know how that works). I’d bet (like most sports) that after premises, wages, admin, insurance and travel there ain’t a lot left. Recruitment on the ice has been poor, but that translates to poorer ticket sales, so scrimping is counter productive. In summary, don’t think they are coining it in. Just made bad decisions with players and coaches. Also, if we were successful, nobody would care about the financial side. It’s because we are poor that everything is scrutinised. The league as a whole isn’t particularly affluent as most teams will be running reasonably close to cost but the arena teams make a lot more profit. While I agree scrimping is counterproductive because a successful team brings more money in from every different avenue, Neil Black has never run this club with the mindset of spend money to make money. I think we’ve gotten to the point now where 3-4k fans is standard attendance and I don’t see it falling much regardless of on ice performances and instead of trying to boost attendances by icing a competitive team we get the wage cap introduced (which doesn’t work) which means he cap keep his level of profits by cutting his costs
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Post by iginla on Mar 21, 2023 12:19:30 GMT
How can you honestly think that? If there was decent money in it, you’d see more interest in buying teams, new ones created or the teams in the lower league wanting a share of the pie. Teams have gone to the wall, or seem to be happy to play at the lower level. Why is that? I note that Leeds won the title in the league below us, but there’s no promotion or relegation. Why? I suspect that there’s no benefit financially to step up? It’s probably not helped with an amateur league set up either. I’m lost on how there is no TV coverage for the sport - when Sky / BT Sports will show people playing conkers. I’d be amazed if the club gets more than the price of a bag of crisps for the Notts TV coverage. Revenue streams are from bums on seats and sponsorship. Can’t see usage of the Arena being cheap, and I doubt we have much negotiating power with them on the lease (or split % on ticket sales? Don’t know how that works). I’d bet (like most sports) that after premises, wages, admin, insurance and travel there ain’t a lot left. Recruitment on the ice has been poor, but that translates to poorer ticket sales, so scrimping is counter productive. In summary, don’t think they are coining it in. Just made bad decisions with players and coaches. Also, if we were successful, nobody would care about the financial side. It’s because we are poor that everything is scrutinised. Yes if they were more successful people would be a lot more forgiving. But it’s the seeing the sort of revenue that gets brought in versus the penny pinching ways that the club operates in that grates with many fans. The fans always go the extra mile (or used to) whilst the club screwed every last penny they could out of them. In return though the club whilst preaching that they did everything they could and wanted to win obviously didn’t or certainly don’t appear to. Make no mistake,even though Panthers crowds are well down on what they were a few years ago there is still plenty of money being made in Nottingham and by some other EIHL teams.
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Post by EMB on Mar 21, 2023 12:37:34 GMT
It is also time for Omar to go, he had a hand signing this team and cares more about the Off Ice Product rather than the On Ice. Yes, sort the off Ice product after the On Ice is healthy. We are just all cash Cows But that's because NB to him to concentrate on the off ice.Earlier in the season he was worrying because the arena wasn't full and Neil had told him he needed the place filling and at that time we had GG and were not doing brilliant. It says it all when the owner isn't bothered about the results but how many are coming through the doors. He may have had more of an hand in the recruitment even down to the last three imports that people think Corey bought in but ultimately his job is the running of the business and the off ice. (and also finding a suitable coach)
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Post by Yotes on Mar 21, 2023 13:14:54 GMT
I’m lost on how there is no TV coverage for the sport - when Sky / BT Sports will show people playing conkers. I’d be amazed if the club gets more than the price of a bag of crisps for the Notts TV coverage. The coverage is on Viaplay (PremierSports as was). I think the continued (I believe) presence of Mr Duncan Paul Saville, formerly of the Permanent Mutual parish, and Blacky family friend, as a large stakeholder in Panthers and half stakeholder in the Clan would suggest they do alright as businesses. Obviously a lot depends on where you play out of though. It's going to be much harder to make any money playing out of a low capacity rink than a 7000-odd seater arena.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 21, 2023 13:22:04 GMT
How can you honestly think that? If there was decent money in it, you’d see more interest in buying teams, new ones created or the teams in the lower league wanting a share of the pie. Teams have gone to the wall, or seem to be happy to play at the lower level. Why is that? I note that Leeds won the title in the league below us, but there’s no promotion or relegation. Why? I suspect that there’s no benefit financially to step up? It’s probably not helped with an amateur league set up either. I’m lost on how there is no TV coverage for the sport - when Sky / BT Sports will show people playing conkers. I’d be amazed if the club gets more than the price of a bag of crisps for the Notts TV coverage. Revenue streams are from bums on seats and sponsorship. Can’t see usage of the Arena being cheap, and I doubt we have much negotiating power with them on the lease (or split % on ticket sales? Don’t know how that works). I’d bet (like most sports) that after premises, wages, admin, insurance and travel there ain’t a lot left. Recruitment on the ice has been poor, but that translates to poorer ticket sales, so scrimping is counter productive. In summary, don’t think they are coining it in. Just made bad decisions with players and coaches. Also, if we were successful, nobody would care about the financial side. It’s because we are poor that everything is scrutinised. If there were more arenas there would be more people making money. I struggle to believe that anyone with a grasp of simple arithmetic can’t work out tickets sold, webcast sales and sponsorship against wages, rent and venue costs is massively one sided. You have teams competing in rinks that struggle to get a thousand seats sold and just have mom and pop sponsorship surviving. I want all teams to be financially successful but to rip customers off is unforgivable in any business
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 21, 2023 13:24:58 GMT
It is also time for Omar to go, he had a hand signing this team and cares more about the Off Ice Product rather than the On Ice. Yes, sort the off Ice product after the On Ice is healthy. We are just all cash Cows But that's because NB to him to concentrate on the off ice.Earlier in the season he was worrying because the arena wasn't full and Neil had told him he needed the place filling and at that time we had GG and were not doing brilliant. It says it all when the owner isn't bothered about the results but how many are coming through the doors. He may have had more of an hand in the recruitment even down to the last three imports that people think Corey bought in but ultimately his job is the running of the business and the off ice. (and also finding a suitable coach) Pasha is just a lackey and I’m not convinced he’s even doing that side very well. St Patrick’s day for pity’s sake!
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 21, 2023 13:26:26 GMT
How can you honestly think that? If there was decent money in it, you’d see more interest in buying teams, new ones created or the teams in the lower league wanting a share of the pie. Teams have gone to the wall, or seem to be happy to play at the lower level. Why is that? I note that Leeds won the title in the league below us, but there’s no promotion or relegation. Why? I suspect that there’s no benefit financially to step up? It’s probably not helped with an amateur league set up either. I’m lost on how there is no TV coverage for the sport - when Sky / BT Sports will show people playing conkers. I’d be amazed if the club gets more than the price of a bag of crisps for the Notts TV coverage. Revenue streams are from bums on seats and sponsorship. Can’t see usage of the Arena being cheap, and I doubt we have much negotiating power with them on the lease (or split % on ticket sales? Don’t know how that works). I’d bet (like most sports) that after premises, wages, admin, insurance and travel there ain’t a lot left. Recruitment on the ice has been poor, but that translates to poorer ticket sales, so scrimping is counter productive. In summary, don’t think they are coining it in. Just made bad decisions with players and coaches. Also, if we were successful, nobody would care about the financial side. It’s because we are poor that everything is scrutinised. If there were more arenas there would be. The only way to make a million with a tin pot rink in the EIHL is to start with two million
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Post by EMB on Mar 21, 2023 13:37:54 GMT
But that's because NB to him to concentrate on the off ice.Earlier in the season he was worrying because the arena wasn't full and Neil had told him he needed the place filling and at that time we had GG and were not doing brilliant. It says it all when the owner isn't bothered about the results but how many are coming through the doors. He may have had more of an hand in the recruitment even down to the last three imports that people think Corey bought in but ultimately his job is the running of the business and the off ice. (and also finding a suitable coach) Pasha is just a lackey and I’m not convinced he’s even doing that side very well. St Patrick’s day for pity’s sake! He is now, I think he was sold the job on the basis he would have control of most things, I hazard a guess that's been a load of bull and things haven't quite panned out as expected. If that was the case then why is finance Freddie in the office watching where the pennies are going for daddy.
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Post by iginla on Mar 21, 2023 13:56:17 GMT
Pasha is just a lackey and I’m not convinced he’s even doing that side very well. St Patrick’s day for pity’s sake! He is now, I think he was sold the job on the basis he would have control of most things, I hazard a guess that's been a load of bull and things haven't quite panned out as expected. If that was the case then why is finance Freddie in the office watching where the pennies are going for daddy. Yes I’d hazard a guess that the boat trip to Belfast was Freddie’s idea in an attempt to impress Daddy, because I can’t imagine a CEO or even a lacky who’s an ex player would ever come up with that stupid idea !
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Post by iginla on Mar 21, 2023 14:01:16 GMT
But that's because NB to him to concentrate on the off ice.Earlier in the season he was worrying because the arena wasn't full and Neil had told him he needed the place filling and at that time we had GG and were not doing brilliant. It says it all when the owner isn't bothered about the results but how many are coming through the doors. He may have had more of an hand in the recruitment even down to the last three imports that people think Corey bought in but ultimately his job is the running of the business and the off ice. (and also finding a suitable coach) Pasha is just a lackey and I’m not convinced he’s even doing that side very well. St Patrick’s day for pity’s sake! Well yes,Pacha has failed so far as the only thing that’s improved is social media. Can he only concentrate on one thing at once. Then again with the amount of staff in Panthers HQ these days it bloody well should have improved too,there’s about a dozen of them floating around in there ! 🙄 I’m not even convinced it should be Pacha taking the credit for improving social media either,that should be Chris Ellis etc.
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