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Post by Joe on Mar 8, 2023 9:41:53 GMT
Jones - Yes as either starter or 1b Dubeau - No Sheldon - Yes Bloor - Yes
Brassard - No Caruso - Yes as coming back anyway Gagnon - No Hazeldine - Yes Lagrone - No Summers - No
Anderson - No Brady - No Ferrara - Yes but needs to be used like he was in Coventry Hammond - No Hopkins - Yes Kelsall - Yes Levin - No Myers - Unfortunately think the time has come to hang up his skates Ricci - No Sorenson - No Welsh - No as he’s never really looked that interested Lahtinen - Not seen enough yet Izacky - Not seen enough yet
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Post by Robbie Nud on Mar 8, 2023 12:18:07 GMT
My take on the team:
Jones - Yes Dubeau - No, too inconsistant, makes wonder saves usually because was out of position Sheldon - Yes Bloor - Yes
Brassard - No, been a liability at times Caruso - If on uni deal will be back Gagnon - maybe, but not as a top mins Dman Hazeldine - Yes, but needs to be developed Lagrone - No, better out there Summers - No, better out there Lindgren - No, get better
Anderson - No, a disappointment Brady - No, flashes of brilliance but not enough Ferrara - unsure, but needs right linemates Hammond - Only if he put the effort in like he did for the GB practice games Hopkins - Yes Kelsall - Yes Levin - Yes, played well for the most Myers - No, getting to the end Ricci - Maybe, but more physical Sorenson - No Welsh - No, had a good start but near end of his 2nd year and dropped off Lahtinen - Not seen enough to make decision, but could be a maybe Izacky - Not seen enough to make decision, but could be a maybe
Neilson & Strachan - No, got somewhat stale and keep trying same things that didnt work before.
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Post by bobness on Mar 8, 2023 13:53:27 GMT
Levin is our only import worth keeping and I highly doubt he will be back. One flash goal doesn't make him worth keeping, for me. Still at around 0.5PPG, and Kelsall has more goals than him, although he (Levin) is assist leader, and +/- leader of current players. There's just something about him I haven't taken to. The puck stays on his stick far too long most of the time.
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Post by iginla on Mar 8, 2023 14:48:09 GMT
Well it’s a rare and strange occurrence for the cage but everybody is pretty much agreed on all the yes/no and maybe’s so one would hope somebody at HQ agrees. Then again. 🙈
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Mar 8, 2023 18:03:29 GMT
Levin is our only import worth keeping and I highly doubt he will be back. One flash goal doesn't make him worth keeping, for me. Still at around 0.5PPG, and Kelsall has more goals than him, although he (Levin) is assist leader, and +/- leader of current players. There's just something about him I haven't taken to. The puck stays on his stick far too long most of the time. Think he's still learning what he can and can't do at this level. He hadn't played much at a pro level so I'd hope he was cheap, therefore it shouldn't be a big outlay to keep him and develop him further.
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Post by allingtonskates on Mar 8, 2023 20:56:46 GMT
Levin is our only import worth keeping and I highly doubt he will be back. One flash goal doesn't make him worth keeping, for me. Still at around 0.5PPG, and Kelsall has more goals than him, although he (Levin) is assist leader, and +/- leader of current players. There's just something about him I haven't taken to. The puck stays on his stick far too long most of the time. he is head and shoulders above the rest of the team. Much better than Hammond who loads of fans seem to still like. Levin looks two steps ahead of the rest of the team and I think that holds him back. Levin is our only player who gets into Belfast's or Sheffields team.
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Post by bobness on Mar 8, 2023 21:32:47 GMT
One flash goal doesn't make him worth keeping, for me. Still at around 0.5PPG, and Kelsall has more goals than him, although he (Levin) is assist leader, and +/- leader of current players. There's just something about him I haven't taken to. The puck stays on his stick far too long most of the time. he is head and shoulders above the rest of the team. Much better than Hammond who loads of fans seem to still like. Levin looks two steps ahead of the rest of the team and I think that holds him back. Levin is our only player who gets into Belfast's or Sheffields team. So he’s head and shoulders the best player in the team but he’s so good he’s only scoring at half a point a game, yet he gets into two far better teams? Not sure I get the logic, but ok.
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Post by allingtonskates on Mar 8, 2023 22:38:53 GMT
he is head and shoulders above the rest of the team. Much better than Hammond who loads of fans seem to still like. Levin looks two steps ahead of the rest of the team and I think that holds him back. Levin is our only player who gets into Belfast's or Sheffields team. So he’s head and shoulders the best player in the team but he’s so good he’s only scoring at half a point a game, yet he gets into two far better teams? Not sure I get the logic, but ok. spent most the season on a line With Anderson. Also don’t need stats to tell me how good a player is when I watch them every week. Less points than Hammond but Hammond is -16. Levin looks like the only dangerous player when going forward and is joint top +/- in the league since Welychka left tied with Lagrone.
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Post by Joe on Mar 8, 2023 22:52:53 GMT
One flash goal doesn't make him worth keeping, for me. Still at around 0.5PPG, and Kelsall has more goals than him, although he (Levin) is assist leader, and +/- leader of current players. There's just something about him I haven't taken to. The puck stays on his stick far too long most of the time. he is head and shoulders above the rest of the team. Much better than Hammond who loads of fans seem to still like. Levin looks two steps ahead of the rest of the team and I think that holds him back. Levin is our only player who gets into Belfast's or Sheffields team. Levin like Hammond always tries to do everything himself like trying to stick handle through 3 or 4 players at a time but it never works and for a team that struggles to maintain puck possession for any length of time giving the puck away cheaply isn’t particularly helpful. I also don’t agree that Levin is two steps ahead of everyone else because I think quality stands out regardless of the quality of teammates and I think an easy example of that would be Sam Herr who’d sometimes single-handedly drag us to victories and I’ve yet to see that from Levin. Also I struggle to see who Levin displaces from Sheffield or Belfast but we’ll just have to wait and see if he ends up at either in the summer
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Post by wgray on Mar 8, 2023 23:23:20 GMT
Levin is still very young, he’s only 23 years old. If you can bring in a coach who can get a tune out of him I think he’ll be a force.
If we’re deliberating whether to have him or Hammond, there’s no doubt in my mind who I’d rather have and that’s the young, up and coming player. Hammond is 33 now, he’s still great on the powerplay but for a top 6 player we have needed a lot more from him this season
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2023 23:23:27 GMT
he is head and shoulders above the rest of the team. Much better than Hammond who loads of fans seem to still like. Levin looks two steps ahead of the rest of the team and I think that holds him back. Levin is our only player who gets into Belfast's or Sheffields team. Levin like Hammond always tries to do everything himself like trying to stick handle through 3 or 4 players at a time but it never works and for a team that struggles to maintain puck possession for any length of time giving the puck away cheaply isn’t particularly helpful. I also don’t agree that Levin is two steps ahead of everyone else because I think quality stands out regardless of the quality of teammates and I think an easy example of that would be Sam Herr who’d sometimes single-handedly drag us to victories and I’ve yet to see that from Levin. Also I struggle to see who Levin displaces from Sheffield or Belfast but we’ll just have to wait and see if he ends up at either in the summer Levin won't end up at either those teams because he's a panthers budget signing as they spend more..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2023 23:26:24 GMT
Like what's been said alot on this roster have been 'panthered' it's remarkable it happens every year how they can turn decent looking player's (based on CVs) to average ones within 6 months!
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Post by bobness on Mar 9, 2023 7:45:20 GMT
Like what's been said alot on this roster have been 'panthered' it's remarkable it happens every year how they can turn decent looking player's (based on CVs) to average ones within 6 months! That seems to have happened a lot this season, you have to say.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Mar 9, 2023 10:05:43 GMT
he is head and shoulders above the rest of the team. Much better than Hammond who loads of fans seem to still like. Levin looks two steps ahead of the rest of the team and I think that holds him back. Levin is our only player who gets into Belfast's or Sheffields team. Levin like Hammond always tries to do everything himself like trying to stick handle through 3 or 4 players at a time but it never works and for a team that struggles to maintain puck possession for any length of time giving the puck away cheaply isn’t particularly helpful. I also don’t agree that Levin is two steps ahead of everyone else because I think quality stands out regardless of the quality of teammates and I think an easy example of that would be Sam Herr who’d sometimes single-handedly drag us to victories and I’ve yet to see that from Levin. Also I struggle to see who Levin displaces from Sheffield or Belfast but we’ll just have to wait and see if he ends up at either in the summer both Levin and Hammond have been guilty at times of over playing the puck. Hammond because (IMHO) he doesn't trust the players he's setting up to do other than tap the puck over the line from 2ft away, Levin because he prefers to make a fancy play rather than a simple one. Hammond would be a better player in a better team, Levin will improve with age and experience. Both can play a role for Panthers in the future if we recruit the right players. But neither would warrant a place on a top line at any of the big three. (Not including Guildford even though they are having a great season cos I still think they are making the absolute best of what they have, all credit to them)
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Post by awooga on Mar 9, 2023 18:08:17 GMT
Can someone explain the points system mentioned above please?
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Post by Bagheera on Mar 9, 2023 18:33:42 GMT
Can someone explain the points system mentioned above please? If you are asking what I think you are. A player gets a point for a goal scored or an assist. An assist is usually awarded to the player who passed it to the goal scorer and the person who passed it to them. So often there are 3 points awarded to different players per goal. PPG = Points per game. If they have accumilated 10 goals and 15 assists in 50 games thats 25 points in 50 games. Therefor 0.5 points per game. +/- is a stat used in hockey. Simply, if you are on the ice when your team scores an even strength goal(5 on 5 with no power plays usually) then you get 1 +. Equally if you are on the ice when conceeding a goal it's 1 -. So if over the season you are on the ice when your team scores 30 times but also when your team conceeds 25 you would be at a +/- of +5. If you flip that. 30 conceedes but 25 scored you would have a +/- of -5.
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Post by awooga on Mar 9, 2023 18:36:08 GMT
Can someone explain the points system mentioned above please? If you are asking what I think you are. A player gets a point for a goal scored or an assist. An assist is usually awarded to the player who passed it to the goal scorer and the person who passed it to them. So often there are 3 points awarded to different players per goal. PPG = Points per game. If they have accumilated 10 goals and 15 assists in 50 games thats 25 points in 50 games. Therefor 0.5 points per game. +/- is a stat used in hockey. Simply, if you are on the ice when your team scores and even strength goal(5 on 5 with no power plays usually) then you get 1 +. Equally if you are on the ice when conceeding a goal it's 1 -. So if over the season you are on the ice when your team scores 30 times but also when your team conceeds 25 you would be at a +/- of +5. If you flip that. 30 conceedes but 25 scored you would have a +/- of -5. That’s perfectly explained- thank you. Every days a school day!
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Post by iginla on Mar 9, 2023 18:56:12 GMT
If you are asking what I think you are. A player gets a point for a goal scored or an assist. An assist is usually awarded to the player who passed it to the goal scorer and the person who passed it to them. So often there are 3 points awarded to different players per goal. PPG = Points per game. If they have accumilated 10 goals and 15 assists in 50 games thats 25 points in 50 games. Therefor 0.5 points per game. +/- is a stat used in hockey. Simply, if you are on the ice when your team scores and even strength goal(5 on 5 with no power plays usually) then you get 1 +. Equally if you are on the ice when conceeding a goal it's 1 -. So if over the season you are on the ice when your team scores 30 times but also when your team conceeds 25 you would be at a +/- of +5. If you flip that. 30 conceedes but 25 scored you would have a +/- of -5. That’s perfectly explained- thank you. Every days a school day! It was very well explained yes. You can however pass the puck 3 feet to your team mate near your own goal who then skates the length of the ice,beats three opposing players and passes to a guy who scores a goal. You get a point for a simple 3 foot pass,the guy who skates and beats three men gets a point and the guy who scored the goal gets a point. Hence sometimes it can be rather farcical and misleading.
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Post by bobness on Mar 9, 2023 19:32:23 GMT
But over time, it almost certainly averages out. Swings and roundabouts etc. If you’re Fab Ricci in the 1-6 Giants game, you get an assist for a goal you had absolute nothing to do with!
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Post by samjohnson345 on Mar 15, 2023 10:23:19 GMT
I would keep:
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21 2 (staying anyway)
25 19 23 90 39 14 if Betteridge/ Perlini don’t return
9/73 would be okay with them returning, bit on the fence.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2023 10:43:20 GMT
I would keep: 42 21 2 (staying anyway) 25 19 23 90 39 14 if Betteridge/ Perlini don’t return 9/73 would be okay with them returning, bit on the fence. You'd retain all those..wow
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Post by samjohnson345 on Mar 15, 2023 11:00:24 GMT
I would keep: 42 21 2 (staying anyway) 25 19 23 90 39 14 if Betteridge/ Perlini don’t return 9/73 would be okay with them returning, bit on the fence. You'd retain all those..wow I like Jones. Hazeldine is a young, promising Brit. Caruso back anyway. Hopkins as Hazeldine. Ferrara has been prolific in this league, there’s more in there that I think it’s worth a second year to try and get out. Ricci is versatile, can be bottom six forward or hop onto D reasonably seamlessly. Hammond I like and think with the right line mates could be really good, but I understand why people don’t like him. Izacky been decent from what I’ve seen. Sorensen/ Brady have done okay, want Sorensen to play feistier more often, think I expected that with Gagz to back him up, Brady’s numbers are decent in a poor team and I think he’s a pretty reliable player. Still leaves room for 4 D to come in and 6/7 forwards 😂.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Mar 15, 2023 12:55:31 GMT
You'd retain all those..wow I like Jones. Hazeldine is a young, promising Brit. Caruso back anyway. Hopkins as Hazeldine. Ferrara has been prolific in this league, there’s more in there that I think it’s worth a second year to try and get out. Ricci is versatile, can be bottom six forward or hop onto D reasonably seamlessly. Hammond I like and think with the right line mates could be really good, but I understand why people don’t like him. Izacky been decent from what I’ve seen. Sorensen/ Brady have done okay, want Sorensen to play feistier more often, think I expected that with Gagz to back him up, Brady’s numbers are decent in a poor team and I think he’s a pretty reliable player. Still leaves room for 4 D to come in and 6/7 forwards 😂. I don't often disagree but Sorensen and Brady have been major disappointments. Brady just doesn't appear some games and Sorensen thinks his reputation is enough to get by on. Ferrara is showing the same lack of form that he does when playing for GB (compare him o Lake who's only half as good but 100% committed when playing for both GB and Giants). Hammond bounces around from team to team, occasionally showing a good run of form but we've not seen the best of him. Players like Ricci are ten a penny back home over the pond and we could do much better, compare him to Mosey and who would you sooner have. I don't like wholesale change season on season as we've let go players who we should have kept, but we don't know what players demands and personal situations are, and I can't see the point of keeping players who have (or haven't) contributed to a poorly performing team.
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Post by samjohnson345 on Mar 15, 2023 13:30:50 GMT
I like Jones. Hazeldine is a young, promising Brit. Caruso back anyway. Hopkins as Hazeldine. Ferrara has been prolific in this league, there’s more in there that I think it’s worth a second year to try and get out. Ricci is versatile, can be bottom six forward or hop onto D reasonably seamlessly. Hammond I like and think with the right line mates could be really good, but I understand why people don’t like him. Izacky been decent from what I’ve seen. Sorensen/ Brady have done okay, want Sorensen to play feistier more often, think I expected that with Gagz to back him up, Brady’s numbers are decent in a poor team and I think he’s a pretty reliable player. Still leaves room for 4 D to come in and 6/7 forwards 😂. I don't often disagree but Sorensen and Brady have been major disappointments. Brady just doesn't appear some games and Sorensen thinks his reputation is enough to get by on. Ferrara is showing the same lack of form that he does when playing for GB (compare him o Lake who's only half as good but 100% committed when playing for both GB and Giants). Hammond bounces around from team to team, occasionally showing a good run of form but we've not seen the best of him. Players like Ricci are ten a penny back home over the pond and we could do much better, compare him to Mosey and who would you sooner have. I don't like wholesale change season on season as we've let go players who we should have kept, but we don't know what players demands and personal situations are, and I can't see the point of keeping players who have (or haven't) contributed to a poorly performing team. Completely get your point. Sorensen and Brady probably under performed given the big points output which I assume was expected by most. Sorensen to me has more to his game, he has potential to be an effective rink rat to get under the skin of the oppo, to be honest wish he did it more. Where I sit I hear everything from the away bench and he really winds them up when he’s on it. Re Brady I probably agree. Just thinking if we are going to keep imports I was brainstorming who probably would be better/ more effective in a better team. I get frustrated by the amount of roster turnover at Panthers compared to elsewhere, but I guess you need a good starting block to be able to then retain players worthy of it. The thing for me is how we don’t seem to be engaged with what the crowd want at Nottingham. It only takes one hit landed, or hustle and bustle type of forechecking to notice that the crowd seem to like it and it engages them. Cam was the prime example (we were extremely spoiled). It frustrates me how passive we are, compared to opposition coming in and being really physical and tough to play against. If I’m looking at it from a roster creation point of view, and looking at playing in the NIC for half of my games, I’m bringing in some players keen to be physical and initiate contact, because if they do this effectively in the first five minutes the crowd remain engaged (as shown by Gagnon fighting the other week). I know fighting every game just doesn’t happen and that’s fine, but hitting and forechecking does happen. Really intrigued by what’s the come this summer, nagging feeling we will end up disappointed yet again, but there’s just a glimmer of hope in my mind that we may turn a corner and address the on ice issues effectively. Ramble over!
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Post by bobness on Mar 15, 2023 13:57:29 GMT
I don't often disagree but Sorensen and Brady have been major disappointments. Brady just doesn't appear some games and Sorensen thinks his reputation is enough to get by on. Ferrara is showing the same lack of form that he does when playing for GB (compare him o Lake who's only half as good but 100% committed when playing for both GB and Giants). Hammond bounces around from team to team, occasionally showing a good run of form but we've not seen the best of him. Players like Ricci are ten a penny back home over the pond and we could do much better, compare him to Mosey and who would you sooner have. I don't like wholesale change season on season as we've let go players who we should have kept, but we don't know what players demands and personal situations are, and I can't see the point of keeping players who have (or haven't) contributed to a poorly performing team. Completely get your point. Sorensen and Brady probably under performed given the big points output which I assume was expected by most. Sorensen to me has more to his game, he has potential to be an effective rink rat to get under the skin of the oppo, to be honest wish he did it more. Where I sit I hear everything from the away bench and he really winds them up when he’s on it. Re Brady I probably agree. Just thinking if we are going to keep imports I was brainstorming who probably would be better/ more effective in a better team. I get frustrated by the amount of roster turnover at Panthers compared to elsewhere, but I guess you need a good starting block to be able to then retain players worthy of it. The thing for me is how we don’t seem to be engaged with what the crowd want at Nottingham. It only takes one hit landed, or hustle and bustle type of forechecking to notice that the crowd seem to like it and it engages them. Cam was the prime example (we were extremely spoiled). It frustrates me how passive we are, compared to opposition coming in and being really physical and tough to play against. If I’m looking at it from a roster creation point of view, and looking at playing in the NIC for half of my games, I’m bringing in some players keen to be physical and initiate contact, because if they do this effectively in the first five minutes the crowd remain engaged (as shown by Gagnon fighting the other week). I know fighting every game just doesn’t happen and that’s fine, but hitting and forechecking does happen. Really intrigued by what’s the come this summer, nagging feeling we will end up disappointed yet again, but there’s just a glimmer of hope in my mind that we may turn a corner and address the on ice issues effectively. Ramble over! Excellent post.
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