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Post by Yotes on Jan 7, 2023 21:37:53 GMT
2-0 after round 3
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Post by Yotes on Jan 7, 2023 21:38:43 GMT
2-1 after 4, Levin keeps us alive
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Post by Yotes on Jan 7, 2023 21:39:17 GMT
Flames win
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Post by Yotes on Jan 7, 2023 21:49:45 GMT
Defences definitely on top in this one, Guildford probably the better team but a game of relatively few good chances. Bit of quality from Hopkins to find Kelsall to get us on the board. Decent point really.
3rd time we've gone to OT with them this year I think.
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Post by Higgy on Jan 7, 2023 22:45:16 GMT
Very watchable game tonight,not many clear cut chances but both defences and goalies had decent games.
Some very soft calls from the refs tonight
Hammond probably had his worst game I've seen him have for us.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Jan 7, 2023 22:54:32 GMT
Moore returned, but as a forward ? Don't understand that one.
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Post by bobness on Jan 7, 2023 22:59:25 GMT
Neilson tried pulling the netminder, but nothing doing. Shootout. Not often you see 5 and an empty net on 3 in OT. Precious little skill on display tonight from Panthers. Apart from his penalty shot, Levin had a poor game, and most others weren’t much better. Flames were just man for man faster in thought and skating.
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Post by samjohnson345 on Jan 7, 2023 23:10:13 GMT
Moore returned, but as a forward ? Don't understand that one. Used to play as a forward in Cardiff, very much a high energy, high effort showing from him tonight. Glad we rolled 4 forward lines and 3 D lines to be honest, gave us depth to have enough energy to counteract their immense speed.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jan 7, 2023 23:12:27 GMT
I wouldn't dispute the last part of that (and there were probably better out there I'm sure) but he was already in the country and Panthers liked the look of him. However he certainly wasn't a lazy signing in the sense Iggy presented it: picking up a player would already been released. He was actually the opposite of that. And as I understand it he was released then Panthers signed him. Clubs are not allowed to poach players and if Ricci instigated the move Dundee could have refused to let him go to another EIHL team. Then you have a very different read of the situation to the one which was very publicly and openly acknowledged on all sides He didn't initiate it. Panthers did. And Panthers did a deal with Dundee to make it happen.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 7, 2023 23:44:16 GMT
Ricci was a lazy signing. He wouldn’t even get looked at by Sheffield or Belfast I wouldn't dispute the last part of that (and there were probably better out there I'm sure) but he was already in the country and Panthers liked the look of him. However he certainly wasn't a lazy signing in the sense Iggy presented it: picking up a player would already been released. He was actually the opposite of that. I don’t mean to be disparaging towards him as he’s definitely a team player and he can play forward and defence but the Neil Black budget has put us squarely alongside Dundee and Fife with most of the others way in front of us. Just thankful that we haven’t signed anyone on the run from the police yet but if there is someone cheap enough we know it can happen.
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Post by iginla on Jan 8, 2023 0:12:28 GMT
And as I understand it he was released then Panthers signed him. Clubs are not allowed to poach players and if Ricci instigated the move Dundee could have refused to let him go to another EIHL team. Then you have a very different read of the situation to the one which was very publicly and openly acknowledged on all sides He didn't initiate it. Panthers did. And Panthers did a deal with Dundee to make it happen. You should know by now not to believe everything you are told surrounding Panthers or within the wider EIHL. You might believe it,but I don’t believe for one minute that out of all the players within the EIHL that Panthers could have approached (if as you say they did) that they would have picked Ricci. He had done nothing playing wise to warrant any approach. The only reason he ended up at Panthers is because either he got cut and Dundee rang Omar to try get Ricci a deal or Ricci rang Omar,tipped him off and said get me out of Dundee please I’d bet you could have asked 3000 Panthers fans which current EIHL player would you like us to go do a deal for and not a single one of them would have picked Ricci. He’d be cheap (he was in Dundee) it wouldn’t cost owt to get him to Nottingham and it took little effort,hence it was lazy. That’s why the Panthers ended up with a distinctly average only half decent signing who results wise has made absolutely no difference whatsoever. Just as I predicted when they signed him !
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jan 8, 2023 0:43:38 GMT
Then you have a very different read of the situation to the one which was very publicly and openly acknowledged on all sides He didn't initiate it. Panthers did. And Panthers did a deal with Dundee to make it happen. You should know by now not to believe everything you are told surrounding Panthers or within the wider EIHL. You might believe it,but I don’t believe for one minute that out of all the players within the EIHL that Panthers could have approached (if as you say they did) that they would have picked Ricci. He had done nothing playing wise to warrant any approach. The only reason he ended up at Panthers is because either he got cut and Dundee rang Omar to try get Ricci a deal or Ricci rang Omar,tipped him off and said get me out of Dundee please I’d bet you could have asked 3000 Panthers fans which current EIHL player would you like us to go do a deal for and not a single one of them would have picked Ricci. He’d be cheap (he was in Dundee) it wouldn’t cost owt to get him to Nottingham and it took little effort. That’s why the Panthers ended up with a very average signing who has made absolutely no difference whatsoever. Ah yes, so much more likely scenario that Dundee would have inexplicably decided to cut their own recently promoted Captain. And not just that but also then do some serious back scene deal to offload him to the Panthers rather than just do the much more easy thing of cutting him. (Which you said early was the case, but now apparently is no longer the case, well not without this new additional level of intrigue added) You really do take the concept of confirmation bias to whole new levels sometimes. PS: I thought we had long since established that the thoughts of the proverbial 3000 Panthers have never had anything to do with who the organisation or coach picks. Isn't that the most common compliant anyway 😂 You know Iggy, we're all human. It really is okay sometimes just to say "I wasn't aware of that interview" or "I didn't know that". I'm sure we all (or most of us) have done it on the cage. It's part of being human. Not everything has to be doubledowned on with a new added angle, or another slant to try and prove just how heinous or rubbish the Panthers organisation are. Sometimes the sound of hoofbeats really is just a horse, not a zebra, not a unicorn, not even a Panthers conspiracy involving a microphone, a hidden speaker and two coconut shells.
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Post by jd on Jan 8, 2023 0:54:27 GMT
You should know by now not to believe everything you are told surrounding Panthers or within the wider EIHL. You might believe it,but I don’t believe for one minute that out of all the players within the EIHL that Panthers could have approached (if as you say they did) that they would have picked Ricci. He had done nothing playing wise to warrant any approach. The only reason he ended up at Panthers is because either he got cut and Dundee rang Omar to try get Ricci a deal or Ricci rang Omar,tipped him off and said get me out of Dundee please I’d bet you could have asked 3000 Panthers fans which current EIHL player would you like us to go do a deal for and not a single one of them would have picked Ricci. He’d be cheap (he was in Dundee) it wouldn’t cost owt to get him to Nottingham and it took little effort. That’s why the Panthers ended up with a very average signing who has made absolutely no difference whatsoever. Ah yes, so much more likely scenario that Dundee would have inexplicably decided to cut their own recently promoted Captain. And not just that but also then do some serious back scene deal to offload him to the Panthers rather than just do the much more easy thing of cutting him. (Which you said early was the case, but now apparently is no longer the case, well not without this new additional level of intrigue added) You really do take the concept of confirmation bias to whole new levels sometimes. PS: I thought we had long since established that the thoughts of the proverbial 3000 Panthers have never had anything to do with who the organisation or coach picks. Isn't that the most common compliant anyway 😂 You know Iggy, we're all human. It really is okay sometimes just to say "I wasn't aware of that interview" or "I didn't know that". I'm sure we all (or most of us) have done it on the cage. It's part of being human. Not everything has to be doubledowned on with a new added angle, or another slant to try and prove just how heinous or rubbish the Panthers organisation are. Sometimes the sound of hoofbeats really is just a horse, not a zebra, not a unicorn, not even a Panthers conspiracy involving a microphone, a hidden speaker and two coconut shells. Sadly Iginla will never change. Makes me laugh that he comments so much, yet he’s an ex fan. No wonder the club didn’t come back to him. Why would you bother?
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Post by bobness on Jan 8, 2023 10:03:55 GMT
Very watchable game tonight,not many clear cut chances but both defences and goalies had decent games. Some very soft calls from the refs tonight Hammond probably had his worst game I've seen him have for us. I’m going to try and dig out some Storm highlights from when Hammond had his 90 point season, see if I can work out what’s different…
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Post by bobness on Jan 8, 2023 10:25:28 GMT
That league season he had 11 games where he scored 3 or more points. He’s yet to have one such game this season.
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Post by iginla on Jan 8, 2023 10:29:11 GMT
You should know by now not to believe everything you are told surrounding Panthers or within the wider EIHL. You might believe it,but I don’t believe for one minute that out of all the players within the EIHL that Panthers could have approached (if as you say they did) that they would have picked Ricci. He had done nothing playing wise to warrant any approach. The only reason he ended up at Panthers is because either he got cut and Dundee rang Omar to try get Ricci a deal or Ricci rang Omar,tipped him off and said get me out of Dundee please I’d bet you could have asked 3000 Panthers fans which current EIHL player would you like us to go do a deal for and not a single one of them would have picked Ricci. He’d be cheap (he was in Dundee) it wouldn’t cost owt to get him to Nottingham and it took little effort. That’s why the Panthers ended up with a very average signing who has made absolutely no difference whatsoever. Ah yes, so much more likely scenario that Dundee would have inexplicably decided to cut their own recently promoted Captain. And not just that but also then do some serious back scene deal to offload him to the Panthers rather than just do the much more easy thing of cutting him. (Which you said early was the case, but now apparently is no longer the case, well not without this new additional level of intrigue added) You really do take the concept of confirmation bias to whole new levels sometimes. PS: I thought we had long since established that the thoughts of the proverbial 3000 Panthers have never had anything to do with who the organisation or coach picks. Isn't that the most common compliant anyway 😂 You know Iggy, we're all human. It really is okay sometimes just to say "I wasn't aware of that interview" or "I didn't know that". I'm sure we all (or most of us) have done it on the cage. It's part of being human. Not everything has to be doubledowned on with a new added angle, or another slant to try and prove just how heinous or rubbish the Panthers organisation are. Sometimes the sound of hoofbeats really is just a horse, not a zebra, not a unicorn, not even a Panthers conspiracy involving a microphone, a hidden speaker and two coconut shells. I have seen that interview and it is about as believable as Dundee agreeing to simply release their as you put it “recently promoted captain”. Why would they do that if they really thought Ricci was any good and wanted to keep him. EIHL teams are not allowed to just go and poach players from other EIHL teams and as we saw only a week or so ago with Raska at Sheffield if a player wants to leave by his choice the team can invoke the clause that he can’t sign for another EIHL team. I can just imagine the Panthers getting a call from the Steelers or Giants saying “hey we would like to take Welychka off your hands” and Panthers agreeing to it. That simply would not happen. Then again,if it was most of the other misfiring Panthers imports like Anderson,Puffer or Brassard for instance then knowing Panthers they probably would agree if offered £50, a goldfish and a black and gold balloon. Who the heck would want any of those players though, but if they did get cut you can bet they’d be ringing round the EIHL saying they were available. The ensuing press release when they landed elsewhere might even conjure up a little story that he wasn’t really cut but a deal was done just to save face. 🤣🤣
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Post by Joe on Jan 8, 2023 11:37:09 GMT
Then you have a very different read of the situation to the one which was very publicly and openly acknowledged on all sides He didn't initiate it. Panthers did. And Panthers did a deal with Dundee to make it happen. You should know by now not to believe everything you are told surrounding Panthers or within the wider EIHL. You might believe it,but I don’t believe for one minute that out of all the players within the EIHL that Panthers could have approached (if as you say they did) that they would have picked Ricci. He had done nothing playing wise to warrant any approach. The only reason he ended up at Panthers is because either he got cut and Dundee rang Omar to try get Ricci a deal or Ricci rang Omar,tipped him off and said get me out of Dundee please I’d bet you could have asked 3000 Panthers fans which current EIHL player would you like us to go do a deal for and not a single one of them would have picked Ricci. He’d be cheap (he was in Dundee) it wouldn’t cost owt to get him to Nottingham and it took little effort,hence it was lazy. That’s why the Panthers ended up with a distinctly average only half decent signing who results wise has made absolutely no difference whatsoever. Just as I predicted when they signed him ! If you’re going to judge a player at least be fair and judge him on the criteria of which he was signed. GG wanted a gritty forward who was good on the forecheck and had EIHL experience and I think overall Ricci has delivered on the role he was given and he’s now become a utility forward as well. I think we can all agree that this team has never been one player away from being good so to put that on Ricci is unfair especially when he was never signed to be a game changer. Also it’s hardly a lazy signing when you take into account the fact we wanted a role player with EIHL experience, we were roughly 8th when we signed him so poaching someone from a better team would be tough and we can’t throw money at players to prize them away as we’ve got the salary cap.
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Post by iginla on Jan 8, 2023 11:54:31 GMT
You should know by now not to believe everything you are told surrounding Panthers or within the wider EIHL. You might believe it,but I don’t believe for one minute that out of all the players within the EIHL that Panthers could have approached (if as you say they did) that they would have picked Ricci. He had done nothing playing wise to warrant any approach. The only reason he ended up at Panthers is because either he got cut and Dundee rang Omar to try get Ricci a deal or Ricci rang Omar,tipped him off and said get me out of Dundee please I’d bet you could have asked 3000 Panthers fans which current EIHL player would you like us to go do a deal for and not a single one of them would have picked Ricci. He’d be cheap (he was in Dundee) it wouldn’t cost owt to get him to Nottingham and it took little effort,hence it was lazy. That’s why the Panthers ended up with a distinctly average only half decent signing who results wise has made absolutely no difference whatsoever. Just as I predicted when they signed him ! If you’re going to judge a player at least be fair and judge him on the criteria of which he was signed. GG wanted a gritty forward who was good on the forecheck and had EIHL experience and I think overall Ricci has delivered on the role he was given and he’s now become a utility forward as well. I think we can all agree that this team has never been one player away from being good so to put that on Ricci is unfair especially when he was never signed to be a game changer. Also it’s hardly a lazy signing when you take into account the fact we wanted a role player with EIHL experience, we were roughly 8th when we signed him so poaching someone from a better team would be tough and we can’t throw money at players to prize them away as we’ve got the salary cap. I’m not judging Ricci,he is only what he is. I’m only judging Panthers serious lack of ambition. Perhaps if they were more pro active like err Belfast who went and got what they needed when they had injuries and were struggling a bit and have since improved rather a lot. Must be different rules in Belfast eh !
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 8, 2023 13:44:04 GMT
You should know by now not to believe everything you are told surrounding Panthers or within the wider EIHL. You might believe it,but I don’t believe for one minute that out of all the players within the EIHL that Panthers could have approached (if as you say they did) that they would have picked Ricci. He had done nothing playing wise to warrant any approach. The only reason he ended up at Panthers is because either he got cut and Dundee rang Omar to try get Ricci a deal or Ricci rang Omar,tipped him off and said get me out of Dundee please I’d bet you could have asked 3000 Panthers fans which current EIHL player would you like us to go do a deal for and not a single one of them would have picked Ricci. He’d be cheap (he was in Dundee) it wouldn’t cost owt to get him to Nottingham and it took little effort,hence it was lazy. That’s why the Panthers ended up with a distinctly average only half decent signing who results wise has made absolutely no difference whatsoever. Just as I predicted when they signed him ! If you’re going to judge a player at least be fair and judge him on the criteria of which he was signed. GG wanted a gritty forward who was good on the forecheck and had EIHL experience and I think overall Ricci has delivered on the role he was given and he’s now become a utility forward as well. I think we can all agree that this team has never been one player away from being good so to put that on Ricci is unfair especially when he was never signed to be a game changer. Also it’s hardly a lazy signing when you take into account the fact we wanted a role player with EIHL experience, we were roughly 8th when we signed him so poaching someone from a better team would be tough and we can’t throw money at players to prize them away as we’ve got the salary cap. Ricci was a lazy signing as we needed a game changer. It’s starting to look like Wallace and Gromits lazy old mate signings from MK (who were all complete crap by the way) As for wage cap, you only have to look at the top four teams to know that we are nowhere near the wage cap. The only wage cap we have is the Neil Black wage cap
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Post by sevcik on Jan 8, 2023 14:40:06 GMT
Moore returned, but as a forward ? Don't understand that one. Used to play as a forward in Cardiff, very much a high energy, high effort showing from him tonight. Glad we rolled 4 forward lines and 3 D lines to be honest, gave us depth to have enough energy to counteract their immense speed. Yes he did play as a forward for Cardiff but only after it didn't work out for him there playing on D (Or maybe Cardiff had a lot of depth at the back and he was seen as the weakest player in their squad in that position so stuck him up front)
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Post by sevcik on Jan 8, 2023 14:51:20 GMT
Ricci was a lazy signing in the sense of that he was already in the country, Was/is not a top end player so his wages wouldn't be at the top end (Unless Panthers have been stupid) And with Ricci being already in the country it means the club not having to pay for a flight to get him here. The player would have seen it as an opportunity to improve himself, But as said by others. He's not a player the top 4 teams would have signed in a million years unless absolutely desperate. Though he's not played bad whilst here. He was never going to be anything close to a game changer or someone who would improve the squad.
I wil say though, he wasn't a lazy signing in the sense that he was already under contract with another club. But then Pacha does have a close relationship with Dundee having been there for several years
The Fact Ricci was playing for Dundee is a complete coincidence I'm sure..
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Post by Joe on Jan 8, 2023 15:58:03 GMT
If you’re going to judge a player at least be fair and judge him on the criteria of which he was signed. GG wanted a gritty forward who was good on the forecheck and had EIHL experience and I think overall Ricci has delivered on the role he was given and he’s now become a utility forward as well. I think we can all agree that this team has never been one player away from being good so to put that on Ricci is unfair especially when he was never signed to be a game changer. Also it’s hardly a lazy signing when you take into account the fact we wanted a role player with EIHL experience, we were roughly 8th when we signed him so poaching someone from a better team would be tough and we can’t throw money at players to prize them away as we’ve got the salary cap. Ricci was a lazy signing as we needed a game changer. It’s starting to look like Wallace and Gromits lazy old mate signings from MK (who were all complete crap by the way) As for wage cap, you only have to look at the top four teams to know that we are nowhere near the wage cap. The only wage cap we have is the Neil Black wage cap Right or wrong GG believed we needed a role player and Ricci fit his criteria, using your contacts to get a player in quickly mid season isn’t lazy and I’d rather have had Ricci in the team playing than waiting weeks to bring in someone from overseas who is of similar quality because as you say our budget is so small
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Post by pantherlee on Jan 8, 2023 16:40:44 GMT
I'm really not getting why Ricci is being targeted here. Yes he may not be a go to guy but all teams needs role players on the bottom 6 and I think Ricci is playing his role well. He throws the body and plays with a bit of an edge. He's one of the few I would be happy to see back next season. He's certainly brought more to table than the likes of Anderson, Puffer and Brady. At least he's doing what he was brought here for whereas the likes of Hammond, Caruso and Welsh are supposed to be our top players and are not performing anywhere the level that they should be.
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Post by iginla on Jan 8, 2023 17:04:22 GMT
I'm really not getting why Ricci is being targeted here. Yes he may not be a go to guy but all teams needs role players on the bottom 6 and I think Ricci is playing his role well. He throws the body and plays with a bit of an edge. He's one of the few I would be happy to see back next season. He's certainly brought more to table than the likes of Anderson, Puffer and Brady. At least he's doing what he was brought here for whereas the likes of Hammond, Caruso and Welsh are supposed to be our top players and are not performing anywhere the level that they should be. The flak isn’t aimed at Ricci, he’s just an average player who was on a poor team. The flak is aimed at Panthers for doing nothing to really improve the team when it seems absolutely everybody can see how poor they are. If they were even remotely serious about trying to improve then at least three more imports should have been gassed and something of much better quality than Ricci brought in. Taking a player like Ricci, a player most fans would likely barely even recognise just wasn’t the answer. It seems like it was just a convenient easy,lazy and cheap move on Panthers part, but that wasn’t Ricci’s fault. Look what the Giants did when they were slipping a bit yet they were already a decent team far better than Panthers, they went and got Roach,Hook and Besko and then today also signed Eriksson. That’s what good teams with ambition do,not sit back and wait once again for next season like Panthers are.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 8, 2023 17:35:07 GMT
I'm really not getting why Ricci is being targeted here. Yes he may not be a go to guy but all teams needs role players on the bottom 6 and I think Ricci is playing his role well. He throws the body and plays with a bit of an edge. He's one of the few I would be happy to see back next season. He's certainly brought more to table than the likes of Anderson, Puffer and Brady. At least he's doing what he was brought here for whereas the likes of Hammond, Caruso and Welsh are supposed to be our top players and are not performing anywhere the level that they should be. Would he get signed by any of the top four teams? No, and I would want to be doing a lot better here. He might fit in with Black's wage cap but wanting players like that back just gives them the green light they want to carry on
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