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Post by tom1986 on Jan 2, 2023 9:27:51 GMT
Hi. Does anyone know if there are any plans for new teams to enter the league in the near future with it going from 11/12 to 10 teams in recent years. Would be great seeing more.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2023 9:31:33 GMT
There's been speculation for years about new franchises but it's about sustainability in this league which no doubt puts alot of potential Investors off
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Post by bobness on Jan 2, 2023 9:43:02 GMT
Where would we be talking? Leeds?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2023 10:18:26 GMT
Over the years... London .. Liverpool..Bristol..Leeds .. Brighton
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Post by spik on Jan 2, 2023 10:50:27 GMT
Any of those of course but Brighton for me, a jolly Winter break by the seaside. September or March time of course.
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Post by wgray on Jan 2, 2023 12:33:57 GMT
I’d love to see the number of teams in the EIHL increase, Leeds would probably be the best option geographically as they’ve got Manchester and Sheffield quite close by and it’s not a ridiculous distance from Nottingham. It’s whether they’ve got the income to build a team for the EIHL
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Post by iginla on Jan 2, 2023 12:40:53 GMT
I’d love to see the number of teams in the EIHL increase, Leeds would probably be the best option geographically as they’ve got Manchester and Sheffield quite close by and it’s not a ridiculous distance from Nottingham. It’s whether they’ve got the income to build a team for the EIHL There’s no glaring reason why they couldn’t join with today’s lowly wage cap spend of minimum £8k and maximum £12.5k when Manchester, Fife and Dundee all survive on meagre crowds.
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Post by wgray on Jan 2, 2023 13:08:26 GMT
I’d love to see the number of teams in the EIHL increase, Leeds would probably be the best option geographically as they’ve got Manchester and Sheffield quite close by and it’s not a ridiculous distance from Nottingham. It’s whether they’ve got the income to build a team for the EIHL There’s no glaring reason why they couldn’t join with today’s lowly wage cap spend of minimum £8k and maximum £12.5k when Manchester, Fife and Dundee all survive on meagre crowds. Good point, I forgot about the wage cap. If there’s going to be expansion then it has to make sense geographically and in turn financially. If Leeds made the jump and potentially Hull we’d have 12 teams, then you could revert back to a genuine conference setup, something like: Belfast Dundee Glasgow Fife Leeds Hull Manchester Sheffield Cardiff Coventry Guildford Nottingham Play each team in your conference 6 times a season, 18 games in conference, and all the other teams 4 times a season, 32 games out of conference. That would give a 50 game league season.
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Post by Higgy on Jan 2, 2023 13:11:34 GMT
Leeds would probably be the most likely in the next few seasons,they are getting crowds comparable or better than Storm,Stars and Fife regularly.
They probably want to see what happens when the honeymoon period of being a new team wears off though,if crowds are still stable or growing then they might have a punt.
They might however look at the MKL situation from a few seasons ago and be a bit cautious.
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Post by iginla on Jan 2, 2023 13:42:19 GMT
Leeds would probably be the most likely in the next few seasons,they are getting crowds comparable or better than Storm,Stars and Fife regularly. They probably want to see what happens when the honeymoon period of being a new team wears off though,if crowds are still stable or growing then they might have a punt. They might however look at the MKL situation from a few seasons ago and be a bit cautious. MKL was pre wage cap though. It’s a very low wage cap made for the small teams, especially when you think the Steelers on their crowds will only be spending the maximum £12.5k a week on player wages but grossing well over £100k per home game.
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Post by Bagheera on Jan 2, 2023 14:34:41 GMT
There’s no glaring reason why they couldn’t join with today’s lowly wage cap spend of minimum £8k and maximum £12.5k when Manchester, Fife and Dundee all survive on meagre crowds. Good point, I forgot about the wage cap. If there’s going to be expansion then it has to make sense geographically and in turn financially. If Leeds made the jump and potentially Hull we’d have 12 teams, then you could revert back to a genuine conference setup, something like: Belfast Dundee Glasgow Fife Leeds Hull Manchester Sheffield Cardiff Coventry Guildford Nottingham Play each team in your conference 6 times a season, 18 games in conference, and all the other teams 4 times a season, 32 games out of conference. That would give a 50 game league season. Whilst the league remains the most important competition then a conference system will never be widely accepted by the fans. For a fair league champion it has to be an even amount of games v everyone. The conference system is an acceptable set up in North America as the play offs are obviously more important. If we ever got to a much expanded play offs then Conferences could be more accepted. The chance of that happening though is tiny. Sheffield and Nottm would never be split and Belfast couldn't be allowed that advantage.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2023 14:44:08 GMT
There’s no glaring reason why they couldn’t join with today’s lowly wage cap spend of minimum £8k and maximum £12.5k when Manchester, Fife and Dundee all survive on meagre crowds. Good point, I forgot about the wage cap. If there’s going to be expansion then it has to make sense geographically and in turn financially. If Leeds made the jump and potentially Hull we’d have 12 teams, then you could revert back to a genuine conference setup, something like: Belfast Dundee Glasgow Fife Leeds Hull Manchester Sheffield Cardiff Coventry Guildford Nottingham Play each team in your conference 6 times a season, 18 games in conference, and all the other teams 4 times a season, 32 games out of conference. That would give a 50 game league season. The old boys club would never allow that in a million years. £££
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Post by pantherlee on Jan 2, 2023 16:56:00 GMT
Obviously I’m aware of the wage cap but it must have passed me by when it was introduced. When did it come in and how much were the big clubs spending roughly in comparison before?
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Post by spik on Jan 2, 2023 17:02:05 GMT
Good point, I forgot about the wage cap. If there’s going to be expansion then it has to make sense geographically and in turn financially. If Leeds made the jump and potentially Hull we’d have 12 teams, then you could revert back to a genuine conference setup, something like: Belfast Dundee Glasgow Fife Leeds Hull Manchester Sheffield Cardiff Coventry Guildford Nottingham Play each team in your conference 6 times a season, 18 games in conference, and all the other teams 4 times a season, 32 games out of conference. That would give a 50 game league season. Whilst the league remains the most important competition then a conference system will never be widely accepted by the fans. For a fair league champion it has to be an even amount of games v everyone.
The conference system is an acceptable set up in North America as the play offs are obviously more important. If we ever got to a much expanded play offs then Conferences could be more accepted. The chance of that happening though is tiny. Sheffield and Nottm would never be split and Belfast couldn't be allowed that advantage. This is acceptable and my dream (I hate the obscure conference type of play) but I do understand what Pidge is saying. Otherwise in a fairer and normal way. Twice home and away = 44. Add the saved games from our present 54 game schedule (10) and any additional needed to what we have already in the play-offs to reflect an even and more palatable season. Not written it down on paper myself but a more sensible Cup. League and Play-Offs = a more professional set up.
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Post by iginla on Jan 2, 2023 17:15:26 GMT
Obviously I’m aware of the wage cap but it must have passed me by when it was introduced. When did it come in and how much were the big clubs spending roughly in comparison before? I think it was brought in for the start of last season, there was a Kelman interview and he gave those cap figures. Teams had to spend at least £8k minimum but can spend up to £12.5k maximum. Not sure on previous spends,but I’d bet some teams were top side of £20k.
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Post by Bagheera on Jan 2, 2023 17:37:24 GMT
Obviously I’m aware of the wage cap but it must have passed me by when it was introduced. When did it come in and how much were the big clubs spending roughly in comparison before? I think it was brought in for the start of last season, there was a Kelman interview and he gave those cap figures. Teams had to spend at least £8k minimum but can spend up to £12.5k maximum. Not sure on previous spends,but I’d bet some teams were top side of £20k. And last season the same stories of brown envelopes at certain clubs continued to appear. Wage caps are a farce at this level. Brown envelope here, overpayed office job for a wag there. Completely unmanagable. If there is one thing I could perhaps see a defence for Blacky it's this. Perhaps, just maybe he sticks to the agreed wage cap whilst others dont. Would explain our squad looking behind others, even if more expensive than others.
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Post by iginla on Jan 2, 2023 17:48:27 GMT
I think it was brought in for the start of last season, there was a Kelman interview and he gave those cap figures. Teams had to spend at least £8k minimum but can spend up to £12.5k maximum. Not sure on previous spends,but I’d bet some teams were top side of £20k. And last season the same stories of brown envelopes at certain clubs continued to appear. Wage caps are a farce at this level. Brown envelope here, overpayed office job for a wag there. Completely unmanagable. If there is one thing I could perhaps see a defence for Blacky it's this. Perhaps, just maybe he sticks to the agreed wage cap whilst others dont. Would explain our squad looking behind others, even if more expensive than others. I agree entirely, I know of one player who used to get part of his salary paid to his mum ! Looking at current EIHL rosters though it certainly does look like the big spenders have reigned it in somewhat, hence why Guildford and Coventry are now living with the big guns.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2023 17:51:00 GMT
And last season the same stories of brown envelopes at certain clubs continued to appear. Wage caps are a farce at this level. Brown envelope here, overpayed office job for a wag there. Completely unmanagable. If there is one thing I could perhaps see a defence for Blacky it's this. Perhaps, just maybe he sticks to the agreed wage cap whilst others dont. Would explain our squad looking behind others, even if more expensive than others. I agree entirely, I know of one player who used to get part of his salary paid to his mum ! Looking at current EIHL rosters though it certainly does look like the big spenders have reigned it in somewhat, hence why Guildford and Coventry are now living with the big guns. They've reigned it in when they've seen their balance sheets 🤣
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 2, 2023 18:43:05 GMT
I think it was brought in for the start of last season, there was a Kelman interview and he gave those cap figures. Teams had to spend at least £8k minimum but can spend up to £12.5k maximum. Not sure on previous spends,but I’d bet some teams were top side of £20k. And last season the same stories of brown envelopes at certain clubs continued to appear. Wage caps are a farce at this level. Brown envelope here, overpayed office job for a wag there. Completely unmanagable. If there is one thing I could perhaps see a defence for Blacky it's this. Perhaps, just maybe he sticks to the agreed wage cap whilst others dont. Would explain our squad looking behind others, even if more expensive than others. The wage cap just means more money in his pocket. It's got nothing to do with the league. Panther's mediocre = #winwin
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2023 19:41:00 GMT
How's a thread about new teams in the league turned round to wage cap and black being tight 🤣
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Post by BigLad on Jan 3, 2023 12:05:15 GMT
A team in Dublin and a team in the North East would be my first spots if I had the money.
Then from there a couple of more Southern teams too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2023 12:22:19 GMT
Would be decent to get a team back in the North East. There's still a big hockey following in the area .. get Durham back 😁
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Post by loupowell52 on Jan 4, 2023 16:44:35 GMT
Serious question. No matter how much you loved the sport would you take on the enormous task of building and running a team in this what will always be a minority sport in these shores. That's without the king sized issue of finding a suitable home ice facility. If your answer is "YES" then you are either a reject from "One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest" or a complete nut-job.
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Post by spik on Jan 4, 2023 20:26:46 GMT
Serious question. No matter how much you loved the sport would you take on the enormous task of building and running a team in this what will always be a minority sport in these shores. That's without the king sized issue of finding a suitable home ice facility. If your answer is "YES" then you are either a reject from "One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest" or a complete nut-job. Yes, I've won the lottery and am a multi millionaire with nothing else to do with the money in my final years.
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Post by spik on Jan 4, 2023 22:29:25 GMT
When you look back and I'll just go to Panthers 4th season with a British league . We have lost a fair few from the top tier and even some not playing anymore.
From present to the early eighties. So in reverse order.
Elite Milton Keynes Edinburgh Hull Newcastle Basingstoke
Superleague London Bracknell Ayr
British League Slough Durham Whitley bay Peterborough Murrayfield Billingham Streatham Solihull Southampton
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