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Post by sting on Nov 28, 2022 10:48:32 GMT
Interesting in the interview on youtube, Corey talks about wanting a faster game and suggesting that the players can't keep up with it 2 nights in a row. Talks about their game fitness not being up to scratch and that there are some nice pieces, but they need to be up to speed and says that training needs to be harder than games. I think he's got a lot of work to do TBH and I think we are still pieces short. My memory might be deserting me but I can’t recall Corey being quite this honest when talking about his teams previously I imagine his comments around fitness and playing at a quicker pace will be exactly what Graham was trying to get out of the squad, will they be willing to put in the work for Neilson? I’m not so sure. Changes definitely still needed How much improvement in fitness and stamina is actually achievable in a week? Isn’t that what the off season and pre season are for as it can’t happen overnight (or 7). The CN. Honesty was a breath of fresh air.
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Post by thelostpanther on Nov 28, 2022 10:49:16 GMT
Wow what a terrible game that was. My first in around 3/4 years and safe to say I will not be going back any time soon!
I have been keeping up a little and purchased tickets around 2 weeks ago, Neilson then comes in and I was actually really looking forward to the game. Hoping there would be some kinda of new manager bounce. Boy was I wrong.
I understand I come at a rough patch but the whole team looked slow and sluggish, no flair at all. I actually thought Ricci was the only one laying hits trying to make a difference. I see Brassard gets slated a lot on Facebook but from D looked like the only one trying to go forward. Maybe I am completely wrong.
Myers was never really the quickest but my god he is at a snails pace now. Every move he made looked like it took him so much effort, winning face-offs seems like his only plus to me.
It's difficult to pick out any other plays for any good they did, below average and all easily replaceable.
The Power Play ... shocking. At the end of the game the three front players on the pp were pushing forward almost at opposition blue line, Hammond was still near our goal, no effort to get forward at all. No urgency from anyone on the pp despite being 2-1 down and on the powerplay! Maybe 1 shot in the pp?!
Maybe they put so much in to Saturday night that Sunday was an after-thought.
The Crowd, OK the team is terrible this season and not really giving much to shout about but that last PP I thought the crowd would be more behind the team to push for the goal. One player on the bench tried to get the "barmy army" to sing but silence. Not to put this on them as I can understand the crowd does not want to put the effort in when they get zilch back from the players.
Safe to say I will certainly not be spending £50+ on a game night again for a very very long time. Hope things change for you regulars though, you certainly deserve better.
Rant over.
I did used to have an account on here (KezyPanther) but no longer have access to the email. So hello again everyone!
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Post by Yotes on Nov 28, 2022 11:30:50 GMT
Welcome back Kezy. I had a similar experience returning to the arena after a long time against Guildford the other week, didn't exactly make me want to rush back.
CN will obviously need time to do anything, it would seem hopeful to think the players will suddenly pull out all the stops though.
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Post by EMB on Nov 28, 2022 12:49:21 GMT
That’s where the buck stops. Too busy selling season tickets with little thought for the product on the ice. But that's his job in one sense, and that's all NB is bothered about and he's making it very clear an empty arena is not what he wants. I can see Pacha signing the Brits because he knows what this league requires but the imports is GG. That said Pacha has been around long enough to know whats needed and just looking at the team you cant help but wonder how he didn't think it was imbalanced.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Nov 28, 2022 12:53:42 GMT
it's easy to overlook Storm's efforts yesterday. Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard, and they certainly outworked us. although I'm not even sure we are more talented but on paper we should be. The way they kept recycling the puck and not letting us out of our end for the second goal would have made their coach (and GM no doubt) proud.
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Post by spik on Nov 28, 2022 13:26:02 GMT
That’s where the buck stops. Too busy selling season tickets with little thought for the product on the ice. But that's his job in one sense, and that's all NB is bothered about and he's making it very clear an empty arena is not what he wants. I can see Pacha signing the Brits because he knows what this league requires but the imports is GG. That said Pacha has been around long enough to know whats needed and just looking at the team you cant help but wonder how he didn't think it was imbalanced. Yes, dependant on WHO picked the squad, did not two heads get the imbalance or was it just one mans ideal? Shows that perhaps people just get it wrong and do that too often and your going to fail. Yes, Pacha has a general managers/CEO job to do. Mostly its been really good, wondering then how much was that listening to fans. So someone has got it right off ice.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 28, 2022 14:24:59 GMT
That’s where the buck stops. Too busy selling season tickets with little thought for the product on the ice. But that's his job in one sense, and that's all NB is bothered about and he's making it very clear an empty arena is not what he wants. I can see Pacha signing the Brits because he knows what this league requires but the imports is GG. That said Pacha has been around long enough to know whats needed and just looking at the team you cant help but wonder how he didn't think it was imbalanced. Making money with an ice hockey team isn't just selling tickets and pumping out dross like we have seen in the last few years. Last season ended up in the smallest crowds I have ever seen at the NIC and the way things are now it will only get worse. Nottingham fans are different and happy to put up with a lot worse than most other teams but if your business plan is to get the money, overpromise and then serve up rubbish you are not going to keep your job long anymore. Interest rates, cost of living problems, etc are going to make even shooting fish in a barrel hard work at some point. I was happy to see GG being appointed but: He loved the sound of his own voice, he talked utter crap, promised one thing, and then delivered another, and to cap it all wheeled the worst Panthers team onto the ice I have ever seen in modern times. Personally, I don't think he knew anything about the EIHL before his first game behind the bench and quite possibly got an even bigger shock than we did. He wouldn't get a job as Paul Dixon's stick tape man. No good being a "Chief Executive Officer" if the only people still watching are the few Panthers zealots and the Showsec staff.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2022 14:57:53 GMT
But that's his job in one sense, and that's all NB is bothered about and he's making it very clear an empty arena is not what he wants. I can see Pacha signing the Brits because he knows what this league requires but the imports is GG. That said Pacha has been around long enough to know whats needed and just looking at the team you cant help but wonder how he didn't think it was imbalanced. Making money with an ice hockey team isn't just selling tickets and pumping out dross like we have seen in the last few years. Last season ended up in the smallest crowds I have ever seen at the NIC and the way things are now it will only get worse. Nottingham fans are different and happy to put up with a lot worse than most other teams but if your business plan is to get the money, overpromise and then serve up rubbish you are not going to keep your job long anymore. Interest rates, cost of living problems, etc are going to make even shooting fish in a barrel hard work at some point. I was happy to see GG being appointed but: He loved the sound of his own voice, he talked utter crap, promised one thing, and then delivered another, and to cap it all wheeled the worst Panthers team onto the ice I have ever seen in modern times. Personally, I don't think he knew anything about the EIHL before his first game behind the bench and quite possibly got an even bigger shock than we did. He wouldn't get a job as Paul Dixon's stick tape man. No good being a "Chief Executive Officer" if the only people still watching are the few Panthers zealots and the Showsec staff. Couldn't put it better myself... Don't forget the 50/50 sellers they are there no matter what the situation
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Post by pantherlee on Nov 28, 2022 15:06:29 GMT
I really don’t get the GG situation. He had the CV. He took Fort Wayne Komets to many finishes at the sharp end of the ECHL which would suggest he knows what he’s doing and knows how to put a hockey team together so I’m really struggling to understand how he managed to put together such an imbalanced team who’s CV’s have not been reflected in what they’ve brought to the ice this year and it seems he hasn’t even got their fitness anywhere near where it should be as well as the rumoured disharmony in the dressing room. Whatever he achieved before he certainly didn’t bring to us
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Post by Bagheera on Nov 28, 2022 15:13:25 GMT
But that's his job in one sense, and that's all NB is bothered about and he's making it very clear an empty arena is not what he wants. I can see Pacha signing the Brits because he knows what this league requires but the imports is GG. That said Pacha has been around long enough to know whats needed and just looking at the team you cant help but wonder how he didn't think it was imbalanced. Making money with an ice hockey team isn't just selling tickets and pumping out dross like we have seen in the last few years. Last season ended up in the smallest crowds I have ever seen at the NIC and the way things are now it will only get worse. Nottingham fans are different and happy to put up with a lot worse than most other teams but if your business plan is to get the money, overpromise and then serve up rubbish you are not going to keep your job long anymore. Interest rates, cost of living problems, etc are going to make even shooting fish in a barrel hard work at some point. I was happy to see GG being appointed but: He loved the sound of his own voice, he talked utter crap, promised one thing, and then delivered another, and to cap it all wheeled the worst Panthers team onto the ice I have ever seen in modern times. Personally, I don't think he knew anything about the EIHL before his first game behind the bench and quite possibly got an even bigger shock than we did. He wouldn't get a job as Paul Dixon's stick tape man. No good being a "Chief Executive Officer" if the only people still watching are the few Panthers zealots and the Showsec staff. Exactly. The financial squeeze will have a big impact on numbers for sure but Black surely has to realise soon, as many of us thought he had in the off season that the on ice has to be there to some degree. It isn't a cheap alternative to foitball any more. We now have Forest back in the Prem and Notts, albeit in the National league are a much more attractive product than they have been for a few years now. The hardcore fans keep turning up to Panthers for sure, the Saturday night crowds still get a boost from the night outers but any night of the week crowds are well down. Towards the end of Coreys stint we were seeing 5k+ on Sunday nights and near sell outs against lower clubs on Saturdays. This season overall is by far the worst i've seen in the last 10 years or so. Plenty of ST holders walked away in the summer and on the quieter game days it's easy to see just how many. Masses and masses of emty seats that were previously always occupied.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2022 15:27:49 GMT
Making money with an ice hockey team isn't just selling tickets and pumping out dross like we have seen in the last few years. Last season ended up in the smallest crowds I have ever seen at the NIC and the way things are now it will only get worse. Nottingham fans are different and happy to put up with a lot worse than most other teams but if your business plan is to get the money, overpromise and then serve up rubbish you are not going to keep your job long anymore. Interest rates, cost of living problems, etc are going to make even shooting fish in a barrel hard work at some point. I was happy to see GG being appointed but: He loved the sound of his own voice, he talked utter crap, promised one thing, and then delivered another, and to cap it all wheeled the worst Panthers team onto the ice I have ever seen in modern times. Personally, I don't think he knew anything about the EIHL before his first game behind the bench and quite possibly got an even bigger shock than we did. He wouldn't get a job as Paul Dixon's stick tape man. No good being a "Chief Executive Officer" if the only people still watching are the few Panthers zealots and the Showsec staff. Exactly. The financial squeeze will have a big impact on numbers for sure but Black surely has to realise soon, as many of us thought he had in the off season that the on ice has to be there to some degree. It isn't a cheap alternative to foitball any more. We now have Forest back in the Prem and Notts, albeit in the National league are a much more attractive product than they have been for a few years now. The hardcore fans keep turning up to Panthers for sure, the Saturday night crowds still get a boost from the night outers but any night of the week crowds are well down. Towards the end of Coreys stint we were seeing 5k+ on Sunday nights and near sell outs against lower clubs on Saturdays. This season overall is by far the worst i've seen in the last 10 years or so. Plenty of ST holders walked away in the summer and on the quieter game days it's easy to see just how many. Masses and masses of emty seats that were previously always occupied. When I look around the arena there's not many faces I recognise from 20 years ago when the arena opened and certainly not many who used to go to the old building. Think many have moved on or just found other things to do . If you did a survey from the crowd last Saturday I bet there's a high percentage who's have only been going in the last 5-8 years.. these punters don't know about the on ice successes previous it's just something 'to do with the family' at the weekend so the actual result is of little importance.
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Post by iginla on Nov 28, 2022 17:04:48 GMT
I really don’t get the GG situation. He had the CV. He took Fort Wayne Komets to many finishes at the sharp end of the ECHL which would suggest he knows what he’s doing and knows how to put a hockey team together so I’m really struggling to understand how he managed to put together such an imbalanced team who’s CV’s have not been reflected in what they’ve brought to the ice this year and it seems he hasn’t even got their fitness anywhere near where it should be as well as the rumoured disharmony in the dressing room. Whatever he achieved before he certainly didn’t bring to us Who signs the team in the ECHL, I would have thought the GM then it’s handed to the coach ? Plus there’s so much movement of players up and down it must be a bit of a lottery.
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Post by yeti on Nov 28, 2022 17:12:04 GMT
My memory might be deserting me but I can’t recall Corey being quite this honest when talking about his teams previously I imagine his comments around fitness and playing at a quicker pace will be exactly what Graham was trying to get out of the squad, will they be willing to put in the work for Neilson? I’m not so sure. Changes definitely still needed How much improvement in fitness and stamina is actually achievable in a week? Isn’t that what the off season and pre season are for as it can’t happen overnight (or 7). The CN. Honesty was a breath of fresh air. We will find out how much they can improve their fitness in a less than a week after a home game at home to Fife on Friday and an away trip to Dundee on Saturday. Dundee also have not played on FridayAlthough who set up these fixtures also need to be held to account.
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Post by Bagheera on Nov 28, 2022 17:30:13 GMT
Exactly. The financial squeeze will have a big impact on numbers for sure but Black surely has to realise soon, as many of us thought he had in the off season that the on ice has to be there to some degree. It isn't a cheap alternative to foitball any more. We now have Forest back in the Prem and Notts, albeit in the National league are a much more attractive product than they have been for a few years now. The hardcore fans keep turning up to Panthers for sure, the Saturday night crowds still get a boost from the night outers but any night of the week crowds are well down. Towards the end of Coreys stint we were seeing 5k+ on Sunday nights and near sell outs against lower clubs on Saturdays. This season overall is by far the worst i've seen in the last 10 years or so. Plenty of ST holders walked away in the summer and on the quieter game days it's easy to see just how many. Masses and masses of emty seats that were previously always occupied. When I look around the arena there's not many faces I recognise from 20 years ago when the arena opened and certainly not many who used to go to the old building. Think many have moved on or just found other things to do . If you did a survey from the crowd last Saturday I bet there's a high percentage who's have only been going in the last 5-8 years.. these punters don't know about the on ice successes previous it's just something 'to do with the family' at the weekend so the actual result is of little importance. Absoloutly. Still plenty of old faces I see on a weekly basis but I got in to hockey through people who had been going since the 80s. A chunk of them still go. Just as many faces dissapered though. For many years old fans trickled away as the new type fan flooded in. Now though(covid + last season being a particular watermark momment) for the first time people walking away is vastly outnumbered new regulars. That's because the hockey has been poor and more and more are fed up of Blacks money grabbing antics. The new fan base is 100% made up of a different type of fan. Some of them are propper sports fans who put winning first of course, but they are newer as we all were once so less jaded by it all. More and more though are happy to just be there and dont really care about the result. The hockey fan base is quite unique. We all know the biggest problem is Black and Cultural. More and more though older fans are changing from anger and frustrstion to anger and just walking away.
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Post by iginla on Nov 28, 2022 17:31:30 GMT
Making money with an ice hockey team isn't just selling tickets and pumping out dross like we have seen in the last few years. Last season ended up in the smallest crowds I have ever seen at the NIC and the way things are now it will only get worse. Nottingham fans are different and happy to put up with a lot worse than most other teams but if your business plan is to get the money, overpromise and then serve up rubbish you are not going to keep your job long anymore. Interest rates, cost of living problems, etc are going to make even shooting fish in a barrel hard work at some point. I was happy to see GG being appointed but: He loved the sound of his own voice, he talked utter crap, promised one thing, and then delivered another, and to cap it all wheeled the worst Panthers team onto the ice I have ever seen in modern times. Personally, I don't think he knew anything about the EIHL before his first game behind the bench and quite possibly got an even bigger shock than we did. He wouldn't get a job as Paul Dixon's stick tape man. No good being a "Chief Executive Officer" if the only people still watching are the few Panthers zealots and the Showsec staff. Exactly. The financial squeeze will have a big impact on numbers for sure but Black surely has to realise soon, as many of us thought he had in the off season that the on ice has to be there to some degree. It isn't a cheap alternative to foitball any more. We now have Forest back in the Prem and Notts, albeit in the National league are a much more attractive product than they have been for a few years now. The hardcore fans keep turning up to Panthers for sure, the Saturday night crowds still get a boost from the night outers but any night of the week crowds are well down. Towards the end of Coreys stint we were seeing 5k+ on Sunday nights and near sell outs against lower clubs on Saturdays. This season overall is by far the worst i've seen in the last 10 years or so. Plenty of ST holders walked away in the summer and on the quieter game days it's easy to see just how many. Masses and masses of emty seats that were previously always occupied. Absolutely spot on FS. Crowds are way down and it’s not surprising in Nottingham but I’m not sure it’s all down to cost of living. Look at Steelers crowds,nearly 8000 last Saturday and regularly 6000 plus so they sort of blow that theory. Tony Smith must be laughing all the way to the bank whilst NB looks on with envy.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 28, 2022 20:51:59 GMT
Exactly. The financial squeeze will have a big impact on numbers for sure but Black surely has to realise soon, as many of us thought he had in the off season that the on ice has to be there to some degree. It isn't a cheap alternative to foitball any more. We now have Forest back in the Prem and Notts, albeit in the National league are a much more attractive product than they have been for a few years now. The hardcore fans keep turning up to Panthers for sure, the Saturday night crowds still get a boost from the night outers but any night of the week crowds are well down. Towards the end of Coreys stint we were seeing 5k+ on Sunday nights and near sell outs against lower clubs on Saturdays. This season overall is by far the worst i've seen in the last 10 years or so. Plenty of ST holders walked away in the summer and on the quieter game days it's easy to see just how many. Masses and masses of emty seats that were previously always occupied. When I look around the arena there's not many faces I recognise from 20 years ago when the arena opened and certainly not many who used to go to the old building. Think many have moved on or just found other things to do . If you did a survey from the crowd last Saturday I bet there's a high percentage who's have only been going in the last 5-8 years.. these punters don't know about the on ice successes previous it's just something 'to do with the family' at the weekend so the actual result is of little importance. Not many I recognise from two years ago
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 28, 2022 20:56:08 GMT
Exactly. The financial squeeze will have a big impact on numbers for sure but Black surely has to realise soon, as many of us thought he had in the off season that the on ice has to be there to some degree. It isn't a cheap alternative to foitball any more. We now have Forest back in the Prem and Notts, albeit in the National league are a much more attractive product than they have been for a few years now. The hardcore fans keep turning up to Panthers for sure, the Saturday night crowds still get a boost from the night outers but any night of the week crowds are well down. Towards the end of Coreys stint we were seeing 5k+ on Sunday nights and near sell outs against lower clubs on Saturdays. This season overall is by far the worst i've seen in the last 10 years or so. Plenty of ST holders walked away in the summer and on the quieter game days it's easy to see just how many. Masses and masses of emty seats that were previously always occupied. Absolutely spot on FS. Crowds are way down and it’s not surprising in Nottingham but I’m not sure it’s all down to cost of living. Look at Steelers crowds,nearly 8000 last Saturday and regularly 6000 plus so they sort of blow that theory. Tony Smith must be laughing all the way to the bank whilst NB looks on with envy. Well it's no secret how they do it. The old days of boo hiss Steelers is well behind me at least and that hatred has been overtaken by envy. That old crap was stirred up a hundred times a year by the old regime and a rivalry isn't a rivalry anyway if you get dicked every game we play.
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