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Post by bobness on Sept 18, 2022 7:06:51 GMT
Time for the captain to earn his corn.
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Post by Big Popper on Sept 18, 2022 8:31:33 GMT
I think it's clear something is wrong in the locker room,the players looked disinterested and not together. I wonder if GG has lost the changing room already. I was stunned at how bad that was tonight Exactly this. I have heard from a source very close to the team that the senior players are not buying in to the GG way.
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Post by Jord v4 on Sept 18, 2022 8:42:57 GMT
I think it's clear something is wrong in the locker room,the players looked disinterested and not together. I wonder if GG has lost the changing room already. I was stunned at how bad that was tonight To lose something you have to first find it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2022 8:49:36 GMT
I think it's clear something is wrong in the locker room,the players looked disinterested and not together. I wonder if GG has lost the changing room already. I was stunned at how bad that was tonight Exactly this. I have heard from a source very close to the team that the senior players are not buying in to the GG way. Looks quite plausible from where I sat. You just had to look at the body language of the players
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Sept 18, 2022 8:54:47 GMT
Maybe it turns out the “effervescent” head coach was just full of hot air.
Graham must have already lost the dressing room, maybe believing his own hype. Panthers signed a strong and proven roster full of forwards who have been high point scorers, but Graham has players like Mike Hammond looking like he’s a beer league 3rd liner.
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Post by wgray on Sept 18, 2022 9:10:27 GMT
I think it's clear something is wrong in the locker room,the players looked disinterested and not together. I wonder if GG has lost the changing room already. I was stunned at how bad that was tonight Exactly this. I have heard from a source very close to the team that the senior players are not buying in to the GG way. After 3 weeks of training and 4 competitive games? I don’t buy that I’m afraid. If it is true then we’ve got some quite unprofessional players
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Post by tessier26 on Sept 18, 2022 9:11:29 GMT
Anyone know what days training sessions are on? Would be interesting going down for a look.
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Post by Bagheera on Sept 18, 2022 9:14:46 GMT
Anyone got Tim Wallaces phone number? You have to be joking. The guy is useless, bring back Corey! Yeah. 100% a joke. I wouldn't be dead against Corey but it was the right time for him to leave when he did.
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Post by Higgy on Sept 18, 2022 9:17:59 GMT
Exactly this. I have heard from a source very close to the team that the senior players are not buying in to the GG way. After 3 weeks of training and 4 competitive games? I don’t buy that I’m afraid. If it is true then we’ve got some quite unprofessional players Without us knowing what happens behind closed doors I think we need to keep this possibility very open. It seems clear to me a lot of the players are not playing for the coach already.
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Post by allingtonskates on Sept 18, 2022 9:22:35 GMT
After 3 weeks of training and 4 competitive games? I don’t buy that I’m afraid. If it is true then we’ve got some quite unprofessional players Without us knowing what happens behind closed doors I think we need to keep this possibility very open. It seems clear to me a lot of the players are not playing for the coach already. agreed. Gagnon screaming at the team and smashing his stick (whether you agree with doing that or not) to get absolutely no reaction from the team was worrying.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Sept 18, 2022 9:40:36 GMT
After 3 weeks of training and 4 competitive games? I don’t buy that I’m afraid. If it is true then we’ve got some quite unprofessional players Without us knowing what happens behind closed doors I think we need to keep this possibility very open. It seems clear to me a lot of the players are not playing for the coach already. I don't buy this 'not playing for the coach'line. It seems to have started on Football where some so called expert, in an attempt to prove their knowledge and be controversial says the team aren't playing for the manager. That's rather risky don't you think ? Firstly,,poor performance reflects badly on coach and players. Second, if coach gets replaced then said players might not figure in new coaches plans, Third, surely players play for their livelihoods (despite all the badge kissing) first and foremost. Not performing affects future employment. If team aren't performing well it could be down to poor coaching, players in wrong roles,lack of confidence in systems, pressure to produce results, but I don't believe deliberately not performing, especially so early in the season, is plausible. However, I've not seen the last two performances so I might be wrong!
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Post by pantherlee on Sept 18, 2022 9:49:13 GMT
If the players aren’t buying into GG then that says more about the players complete lack of professionalism to me. The season is only a couple of weeks old and if they’re not playing for him it shows me they haven’t even given things a chance. It is very worrying whatever the circumstances
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Post by Bagheera on Sept 18, 2022 9:53:23 GMT
Without us knowing what happens behind closed doors I think we need to keep this possibility very open. It seems clear to me a lot of the players are not playing for the coach already. I don't buy this 'not playing for the coach'line. It seems to have started on Football where some so called expert, in an attempt to prove their knowledge and be controversial says the team aren't playing for the manager. That's rather risky don't you think ? Firstly,,poor performance reflects badly on coach and players. Second, if coach gets replaced then said players might not figure in new coaches plans, Third, surely players play for their livelihoods (despite all the badge kissing) first and foremost. Not performing affects future employment. If team aren't performing well it could be down to poor coaching, players in wrong roles,lack of confidence in systems, pressure to produce results, but I don't believe deliberately not performing, especially so early in the season, is plausible. However, I've not seen the last two performances so I might be wrong! I guess you can interpret not playing for the coach in 2 different ways. The literal sense where by they stop trying and almost throw games, which I agree with you, really shouldn't happen. The other way is pretty much everything you listed just effecting performances. They dont go out there consciously not trying, but if they are out there frustrsted at the systems and questioning what they are doing they arnt performing at 100%. They dont believe so they arn't going to that next level.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2022 9:56:10 GMT
If the players aren’t buying into GG then that says more about the players complete lack of professionalism to me. The season is only a couple of weeks old and if they’re not playing for him it shows me they haven’t even given things a chance. It is very worrying whatever the circumstances It's not unusual for players to instantly not buy into a coaches plan albeit 2 days or 2 weeks .. this may have been the case since training camp started anyway .
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Post by loupowell52 on Sept 18, 2022 9:59:13 GMT
Last night was an embarrassment for Panthers fans. Some of those players should be ashamed of themselves. So many negatives on the season so far. It must be a terrible environment for the youngster trying to learn their craft. To describe many of this squad as "journeymen" would be a total insult to many average platers around the world. Huge questions towards the Head Coach and how he is handling "his" selected roster. I honestly doubt that some of this squad realise the honour of representing a club of our standing. Changes imminent or a long winter of discontent.
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Post by Joe on Sept 18, 2022 10:00:58 GMT
If the players aren’t buying into GG then that says more about the players complete lack of professionalism to me. The season is only a couple of weeks old and if they’re not playing for him it shows me they haven’t even given things a chance. It is very worrying whatever the circumstances Agreed, especially given how we often heard from numerous different players that they had very good conversations with GG and they liked how he did lots of research on their game and how they would fit into the system
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Sept 18, 2022 10:14:29 GMT
Exactly this. I have heard from a source very close to the team that the senior players are not buying in to the GG way. After 3 weeks of training and 4 competitive games? I don’t buy that I’m afraid. If it is true then we’ve got some quite unprofessional players Not sure about the players but I bet he’s lost Pacha
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Post by tessier26 on Sept 18, 2022 10:16:03 GMT
I thought most the signings were touted as high quality players? Apart from Hammond, Welychka and Myers i'm not seeing much class. I'm comparing to the grand slam winning team when i was last a regular at games.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Sept 18, 2022 10:24:09 GMT
I thought most the signings were touted as high quality players? Apart from Hammond, Welychka and Myers i'm not seeing much class. I'm comparing to the grand slam winning team when i was last a regular at games. After a shaky start that was a perfectly balanced team.
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Post by Bagheera on Sept 18, 2022 10:32:10 GMT
I thought most the signings were touted as high quality players? Apart from Hammond, Welychka and Myers i'm not seeing much class. I'm comparing to the grand slam winning team when i was last a regular at games. Many are upgrades on last years team. The key with some is that they have proven EIHL stats. I always thought this team was a bit over hyped and indeed lacked 1 or 2 top end players. More in the power forward type roles. It has goals and skills in some but it was the middle of the pack signings when waiting for the quality that tipped the scales for me. It was set to be a good squad again. Whilst I still think it's to early to single out players if I had to be pushed right now Id swap out Anderson and Puffer to add something different. Lagrone needs upgrading on D too. Summers looks fairly solid, i've only seen Caruso for 1 period and he's missed games. I rekon he'll come good. Gagnon has looked good on the puck. Perhaps he's been told to keep his gloves on for now with the D struggling. Clearly also somebody who is showing he gives a damn too. Also the reason we need somebody else on the forward lines to helo him out. We know Brassard will contribute. Moore is a Brit. So that leaves Lagrone. I've not been impressed with him anyway, yeah he skates well but he continually turns the puck over and cant defend. He looked a signing we didnt need when made and still looks the same now.
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Post by allingtonskates on Sept 18, 2022 10:36:38 GMT
I thought most the signings were touted as high quality players? Apart from Hammond, Welychka and Myers i'm not seeing much class. I'm comparing to the grand slam winning team when i was last a regular at games. you can have all the stars you want in a team, if they don’t play like a team it won’t work well. Out of our forwards we have about 7/8 of them that play and extremely similar style to each other. We don’t have one player that plays like Benedict did, none play a style like Jeff Brown, none play like Kelsey Wilson or Leigh Salters, no one that plays with a edge to their game like Ling and you couldn’t even mention anyone in this team that brings to this team what Fox brought to the Title winning side. We don’t have a Herr that would win us games all by himself at times. Not one defender even remotely close to Werner. The balance of this team is so far off the mark it’s painful.
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Post by nottinghamsenator on Sept 18, 2022 11:47:18 GMT
Aside from all the other issues, some of these goals just come down to very bad hockey. One of the Blaze powerplay goals (I genuinely forget which number) their lad has it down low below the goal line and we set up in a box as you’d expect….only problem being there’s a Blaze player stood right in the middle of 4 our ours! No attempt from the guy nearest to him to box him out or the d-man closest to the goal to get in front, just a little bang bang play in front and they score. It’s an embarrassing goal for professional hockey players to concede and stuff like that makes me feel sorry for Graham more than anything.
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Post by wgray on Sept 18, 2022 12:58:35 GMT
Aside from all the other issues, some of these goals just come down to very bad hockey. One of the Blaze powerplay goals (I genuinely forget which number) their lad has it down low below the goal line and we set up in a box as you’d expect….only problem being there’s a Blaze player stood right in the middle of 4 our ours! No attempt from the guy nearest to him to box him out or the d-man closest to the goal to get in front, just a little bang bang play in front and they score. It’s an embarrassing goal for professional hockey players to concede and stuff like that makes me feel sorry for Graham more than anything. View Attachment Dreadful defensive coverage there. The Blaze had 3 pp goals from 5 chances. One area that Graham might be able to improve our penalty kill might be to have settled and consistent units with the right personnel. On ice for their 1st pp goal Caruso, Lagrone, Welychka, Anderson For their 2nd it was Brassard, Moore, Brady Hammond For their 3rd it was Caruso, Summers, Myers, Welsh I know circumstance can change units but I don’t think Hammond and Welsh should be anywhere near the penalty kill units. Get two units settled and work at it.
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Post by samjohnson345 on Sept 18, 2022 15:37:31 GMT
I thought most the signings were touted as high quality players? Apart from Hammond, Welychka and Myers i'm not seeing much class. I'm comparing to the grand slam winning team when i was last a regular at games. you can have all the stars you want in a team, if they don’t play like a team it won’t work well. Out of our forwards we have about 7/8 of them that play and extremely similar style to each other. We don’t have one player that plays like Benedict did, none play a style like Jeff Brown, none play like Kelsey Wilson or Leigh Salters, no one that plays with a edge to their game like Ling and you couldn’t even mention anyone in this team that brings to this team what Fox brought to the Title winning side. We don’t have a Herr that would win us games all by himself at times. Not one defender even remotely close to Werner. The balance of this team is so far off the mark it’s painful. No dig here, but I can’t see the value in comparing players in 2022 with mainly players from 10/11 years ago. Although the principle of having a balanced line up stands, like for like isn’t always comparable as the game has changed dramatically (unfortunately) in that time. Gone are the days of needing three tough guys, like we had in 2012, as well as a variety of other aspects of the game that are sadly obsolete nowadays. I agree we need a power forward/ tough element to our forwards, but I don’t think yearning for a Kelsey Wilson is necessarily worthwhile, despite him being excellent in his role a decade ago. Looking at last year, a Dyson Stephenson type player would be excellent in our line up. I sit by the away bench and he was an excellent leader of that group, and was tough, finished hits and put his body on the line.
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Post by allingtonskates on Sept 18, 2022 15:47:28 GMT
you can have all the stars you want in a team, if they don’t play like a team it won’t work well. Out of our forwards we have about 7/8 of them that play and extremely similar style to each other. We don’t have one player that plays like Benedict did, none play a style like Jeff Brown, none play like Kelsey Wilson or Leigh Salters, no one that plays with a edge to their game like Ling and you couldn’t even mention anyone in this team that brings to this team what Fox brought to the Title winning side. We don’t have a Herr that would win us games all by himself at times. Not one defender even remotely close to Werner. The balance of this team is so far off the mark it’s painful. No dig here, but I can’t see the value in comparing players in 2022 with mainly players from 10/11 years ago. Although the principle of having a balanced line up stands, like for like isn’t always comparable as the game has changed dramatically (unfortunately) in that time. Gone are the days of needing three tough guys, like we had in 2012, as well as a variety of other aspects of the game that are sadly obsolete nowadays. I agree we need a power forward/ tough element to our forwards, but I don’t think yearning for a Kelsey Wilson is necessarily worthwhile, despite him being excellent in his role a decade ago. Looking at last year, a Dyson Stephenson type player would be excellent in our line up. I sit by the away bench and he was an excellent leader of that group, and was tough, finished hits and put his body on the line. I wouldn’t have a problem with us have 3 tough guys at all. Or more honestly. The days of Alex Penner and McMorrow are gone yes but why would it be a problem if they could all play which Beckett, Lepine and Wilson could. I think if you could put Leigh Salters back in his prime and stuck him in the league today he would still be quality power forward.
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