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Post by bobness on Aug 30, 2022 10:52:51 GMT
The GRS (for folk interested) has materialised on the report written by Elite from our second game with Sheffield now. Maybe I was being a bit harsh but the GRS was belatedly added this time considering when the previous were done. Could be that they were reminded by us again which prompted it but with a track record Elite have I was worried it would not be shown. Three to go. I wouldn’t take much interest in the gamesheet from Sheffield or the EIHL’s report for that matter. From the highlights Hammond didn’t score any goals, our 2nd was scored by Anderson, assisted Hammond & Gagnon, the 3rd was scored by Welychka, assisted by Hammond Will have a look at that. To be fair, the GRS has Hammond scoring 2 goals off only 1 shot, and shots are 10 apiece at the bottom, but are 6 vs 9 by player, so that's not quite right. And there's no Panthers penalty to concede the PPG from at 55.51. And there's no on-ice numbers for our 3rd goal. Don't forget, Jon Rheault was, as I recall, prolific in pre-season games. There's no prizes just yet.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Aug 30, 2022 11:39:24 GMT
Okay. My first operating assumption is that they've used Eliteprospects as their database. Secondly I've presumed they're were only counting goals recorded there scored as senior GB players, not juniors as well? IE WC (all divisions) plus OG and OGQ? In which case that would also, therefore, include Shields four goals in Olympic Games Qualifying competitions on top of 38 WC goals? Giving him the 42 senior goals quoted (based solely on Eliteprospects database) to Tony Hands 41 senior goals? Like I say I'm presuming they're were working from Eliteprospects and that that's how they've got to that total Thanks for the post. Concise and correct 'blackandgold73' I believe on all counts (no pun)…but rather than Elite prospects I think they make their own account, I know the manager keeps a record but from where initially I don't know. It just annoys me that we have a GB national team organisation with its own website etc but when games are live they are not passing on the correct information. Andy French has been in his role with Ice Hockey UK a long while and has connections with the international scene and I'm surprised he and others are not interested (it seems) with the ALL-TIME records. In writing my book on the British national side (which he took on and published) I had got the records from the IIHF and calculated this and other information. It's actually in the record books with IIHF but embarrassingly we seem to only be bothered with 'what we know' in the modern era. As if life only started in 1989 when we resumed international play and records of those most recent times were documented in books at that time. Imagine leaving Jimmy Greaves out of the equation in football, you just wouldn't. To make a statement that Colin is the 'modern era top goal scorer' might be more appropriate. I have told them this before AND they once said either on air or in written form (can't remember which) that GERRY DAVEY who played 45 games for 43 goals and 9 assists (known) for 52 points is actually the man ALL-TIME that holds the record just after I had contacted them. Similar C R Cuthbert 28 goals, Eric Carruthers 18 and Gordon Dailley 15 quite high-ish on that list will also be forgotten. Poor of the organisations body that they choose to rekindle history at times when they choose but do not embrace it fully. A failure of the sport that will always separate them from the other sports authorities that keep tradition and history alive. Because it did happen. Wholeheartedly agree with everything you've said. It's a massive and glaring oversight that continues and continues. My feeling is that they (and by this here I mean the EIHL/TV folks) were looking for an easy and convenient "angle" to sell/big up their commentary line up and that's why we've ended up with the rather lazy results of what they've said. I don't think they probably even checked and someone in the office just said that and they ran with it. But it's embarrassing for Shields as he'll surely know that he can't allow himself to be introduced that way on air? And they've put him in the situation of having to either support the mistake or correct them if introduced that way. Davey does indeed have his own page on the national website. *But* it's buried amongst all the others in the HOF tabbed section of the site (yes we're supposed to know HOF means Hall of Fame when you visit 🙄 as it get the same 3 letter treatment as applying for an ITC card at the bottom of the page) but unless you went to go through each entry one by one you'd never know who was the all time leading scorer any other way. There's no obvious history page etc. Interestingly they have Davey at 44 goals though on the website. And you're very right - there's absolutely no excuse for not doing the work to know automatically who is the leading scorer for the national team. That should be the very basics for any sport. Imagine the BBC repeatedly getting England to goalscorer in football wrong? Exactly
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Post by bobness on Aug 30, 2022 13:06:48 GMT
The GRS (for folk interested) has materialised on the report written by Elite from our second game with Sheffield now. Maybe I was being a bit harsh but the GRS was belatedly added this time considering when the previous were done. Could be that they were reminded by us again which prompted it but with a track record Elite have I was worried it would not be shown. Three to go. I wouldn’t take much interest in the gamesheet from Sheffield or the EIHL’s report for that matter. From the highlights Hammond didn’t score any goals, our 2nd was scored by Anderson, assisted Hammond & Gagnon, the 3rd was scored by Welychka, assisted by Hammond Yep, I'll second that.
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Post by spik on Aug 30, 2022 14:08:38 GMT
Thanks for the post. Concise and correct 'blackandgold73' I believe on all counts (no pun)…but rather than Elite prospects I think they make their own account, I know the manager keeps a record but from where initially I don't know. It just annoys me that we have a GB national team organisation with its own website etc but when games are live they are not passing on the correct information. Andy French has been in his role with Ice Hockey UK a long while and has connections with the international scene and I'm surprised he and others are not interested (it seems) with the ALL-TIME records. In writing my book on the British national side (which he took on and published) I had got the records from the IIHF and calculated this and other information. It's actually in the record books with IIHF but embarrassingly we seem to only be bothered with 'what we know' in the modern era. As if life only started in 1989 when we resumed international play and records of those most recent times were documented in books at that time. Imagine leaving Jimmy Greaves out of the equation in football, you just wouldn't. To make a statement that Colin is the 'modern era top goal scorer' might be more appropriate. I have told them this before AND they once said either on air or in written form (can't remember which) that GERRY DAVEY who played 45 games for 43 goals and 9 assists (known) for 52 points is actually the man ALL-TIME that holds the record just after I had contacted them. Similar C R Cuthbert 28 goals, Eric Carruthers 18 and Gordon Dailley 15 quite high-ish on that list will also be forgotten. Poor of the organisations body that they choose to rekindle history at times when they choose but do not embrace it fully. A failure of the sport that will always separate them from the other sports authorities that keep tradition and history alive. Because it did happen. Wholeheartedly agree with everything you've said. It's a massive and glaring oversight that continues and continues. My feeling is that they (and by this here I mean the EIHL/TV folks) were looking for an easy and convenient "angle" to sell/big up their commentary line up and that's why we've ended up with the rather lazy results of what they've said. I don't think they probably even checked and someone in the office just said that and they ran with it. But it's embarrassing for Shields as he'll surely know that he can't allow himself to be introduced that way on air? And they've put him in the situation of having to either support the mistake or correct them if introduced that way. Davey does indeed have his own page on the national website. *But* it's buried amongst all the others in the HOF tabbed section of the site (yes we're supposed to know HOF means Hall of Fame when you visit 🙄 as it get the same 3 letter treatment as applying for an ITC card at the bottom of the page) but unless you went to go through each entry one by one you'd never know who was the all time leading scorer any other way. There's no obvious history page etc. Interestingly they have Davey at 44 goals though on the website. And you're very right - there's absolutely no excuse for not doing the work to know automatically who is the leading scorer for the national team. That should be the very basics for any sport. Imagine the BBC repeatedly getting England to goal scorer in football wrong? Exactly Your bang on again. But people might say we are banging on about it. Yet its their job to be doing this in their position. I however have dealt with people in the organisation who are respectful and understand our plight of some peoples ignorance. Chris Ellis for one is most kind in what he said about my (and others) work effort on the outside, as it were and is approachable. Sub note: The wonderful work of Martin Harris and in his 'Lion in Winter' book denotes 44 goals to DAVEY also but I haven't done a 'player register' myself (as yet) but I recall querying with him the one difference we had. By the way Davey's totals for assists and penalties could be more due to the fact some championships did not record all detail in those days.
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