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May 4, 2022 22:14:55 GMT
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Post by Simmo78 on May 4, 2022 22:14:55 GMT
Encouraging interview. He needs to have free rein to be able to put his vision into practice both on and off the ice. If Black skimps on the budget in either of these areas then the whole thing is destined to go the way it has been for the last few years. I really hope this is a line in the sand moment, but I do still have a nagging doubt that his hands will be tied by our owner. Still we'll wait and see what next season brings
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May 5, 2022 5:59:04 GMT
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Post by devonlights on May 5, 2022 5:59:04 GMT
Don't get the "needs a competitive budget" thinking. We have been spending cap for the last few seasons. Confirmed by Black, Gui, Wallace, Matherson et al. Facilities and arena about the best in the league showing clear investment. Last seasons most startling and revealing comments came right at the start of the season and should have been a clear message "player recruitment has been challenging this year" made by Gui. The only GM, DOH or coach to say this from the EIHL. We struggled at the start because players were not good enough and compounded matters by replacing them with poor replacements. Don't get me wrong there is quality in the team. Just not the depth and top line to compete at the highest level. Hopefully Pacha has those connections and knows how to entice a quality player to join a league/team below his standard, seeing what he did at Dundee on this front, should be encouraging.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on May 5, 2022 10:03:16 GMT
He still needs a competitive budget and that’s down to Black. Without it even Pacha won’t turn the on ice quality and results around. There's that much wrong with the club there's things what can get put right which don't cost any money Without being overdramatic I honestly believe this is the Panther's last roll of the dice right here. Get it wrong and I honestly believe they are done
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May 5, 2022 10:06:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2022 10:06:59 GMT
There's that much wrong with the club there's things what can get put right which don't cost any money Without being overdramatic I honestly believe this is the Panther's last roll of the dice right here. Get it wrong and I honestly believe they are done I do agree in a way. There's no way a owner should undermine a CEO ..
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Post by Bagheera on May 5, 2022 11:02:05 GMT
As CEO he should be running the business in it's entirety. That should also include setting the playing budget. Black should really just be setting Pacha a goal based around profit. Deliver me/us £xm by end of 2022/2023 or an increase in profits of x%. Or increase turnover and we expect to see x% of that as profit.
As a business man I dont mind Black setting him those targets. If Pacha generates more revenue and that can go into the playing budget then happy days. Everything else that happens at a club that has appointed a CEO should fall with them.
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May 5, 2022 11:53:49 GMT
Post by ashfieldpanther on May 5, 2022 11:53:49 GMT
There's that much wrong with the club there's things what can get put right which don't cost any money Without being overdramatic I honestly believe this is the Panther's last roll of the dice right here. Get it wrong and I honestly believe they are done done with what ? Ice Hockey ? the EIHL ? The fans ? Ultimately it all depends on the owner and his motivation for owning the business. The fans have have supported the club since (at least) 1980, through many guises, formats, ups and downs. Fans have left and new ones come in. and i always maintain, most of the supporters aren't interested in what goes on behind the scenes, to them it's just a night out. How long is it since Belfast won the league. They just try and do it better next time.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on May 5, 2022 12:18:03 GMT
Without being overdramatic I honestly believe this is the Panther's last roll of the dice right here. Get it wrong and I honestly believe they are done done with what ? Ice Hockey ? the EIHL ? The fans ? Ultimately it all depends on the owner and his motivation for owning the business. The fans have have supported the club since (at least) 1980, through many guises, formats, ups and downs. Fans have left and new ones come in. and i always maintain, most of the supporters aren't interested in what goes on behind the scenes, to them it's just a night out. How long is it since Belfast won the league. They just try and do it better next time. The drop in crowd numbers and season ticket holders won't stop unless there is a BIG change this off-season. There will still be the happy clappers but with just those left the crowds, revenue, and the Panthers will spiral to the point of no return unless Black was to leave. In the past Panthers, crowds were always happy to smile and say perhaps next year but from the long-term (sports) fans I have seen walk away now after 15+ years is a bit of a break moment here. There will always be enough to fill a pub quiz night and enough to swoon and whimper at a players skate night but even Fife need more than that to run as a business. Oh well, there is always next year? Na, it's been long enough. You only live once and there are plenty of other things to do out there. Long, LONG time season ticket holders here and we didn't go to any of the end-of-season games. Didn't even go to the playoffs even though we had tickets. A lot of people aren't willing to blindly support a team that doesn't give anything back anymore. If it's going to be continually run into the ground then stuff them there are better things to do than just go to put money in a bad owner's pocket and clap along with Paws.
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May 5, 2022 13:04:28 GMT
Post by bobness on May 5, 2022 13:04:28 GMT
As CEO he should be running the business in it's entirety. That should also include setting the playing budget. Black should really just be setting Pacha a goal based around profit. Deliver me/us £xm by end of 2022/2023 or an increase in profits of x%. Or increase turnover and we expect to see x% of that as profit. As a business man I dont mind Black setting him those targets. If Pacha generates more revenue and that can go into the playing budget then happy days. Everything else that happens at a club that has appointed a CEO should fall with them. This, I think. Agree a sensible plan, achieve it (ideally within your means). That's generally what CEOs do.
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Pacha
May 5, 2022 14:42:29 GMT
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Post by John Casey on May 5, 2022 14:42:29 GMT
I don't think Pacha's here if he's on a similar budget as before.
As another poster said, Neil Black is not stupid, I'm sure we will be on a higher budget
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May 5, 2022 14:50:41 GMT
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Post by The Flying Shirt on May 5, 2022 14:50:41 GMT
I don't think Pacha's here if he's on a similar budget as before. As another poster said, Neil Black is not stupid, I'm sure we will be on a higher budget I don't think Pacha is daft and he would have had other options. I think he would have had all of his ducks in a row with NB before taking the job and if that changes he will be very vocal and then move on
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May 5, 2022 17:49:21 GMT
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Post by iginla on May 5, 2022 17:49:21 GMT
I don't think Pacha's here if he's on a similar budget as before. As another poster said, Neil Black is not stupid, I'm sure we will be on a higher budget For Panthers to lift their budget they will have to get the brown envelopes out to break the wage cap,because remember last year they were supposedly spending up to cap limit. Will Black do it though that’s the question, I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting !
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May 5, 2022 17:54:19 GMT
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Post by jd on May 5, 2022 17:54:19 GMT
I don't think Pacha's here if he's on a similar budget as before. As another poster said, Neil Black is not stupid, I'm sure we will be on a higher budget For Panthers to lift their budget they will have to get the brown envelopes out to break the wage cap,because remember last year they were supposedly spending up to cap limit. Will Black do it though that’s the question, I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting ! Glad to see you’re back off holiday Iggy
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May 5, 2022 19:32:37 GMT
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Post by iginla on May 5, 2022 19:32:37 GMT
For Panthers to lift their budget they will have to get the brown envelopes out to break the wage cap,because remember last year they were supposedly spending up to cap limit. Will Black do it though that’s the question, I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting ! Glad to see you’re back off holiday Iggy Not quite yet...still fishing.
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Post by jd on May 5, 2022 20:35:41 GMT
Glad to see you’re back off holiday Iggy Not quite yet...still fishing. And the holiday?
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May 5, 2022 20:55:40 GMT
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Post by iginla on May 5, 2022 20:55:40 GMT
Not quite yet...still fishing. And the holiday? Fishing holiday.
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May 5, 2022 21:36:24 GMT
Post by spik on May 5, 2022 21:36:24 GMT
Only just watched the interview piece. Nothing to moan about, said the right things. Things I wanted to hear. What might be claimed as the obvious but he's saying what we have been saying for ages so maybe the penny has dropped.
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May 6, 2022 17:41:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2022 17:41:39 GMT
Omar has written a letter outlining what he intends to do.
Has made it clear the new coach will be doing the recruiting.
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May 6, 2022 17:41:58 GMT
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Post by Bagheera on May 6, 2022 17:41:58 GMT
www.panthers.co.uk/home/220506-message-from-the-ceoA message from Pacha. I really like what he's got to say. Let's hope he can deliver. One thing I've noticed he has mentioned twicw now. He knows the value of players. Is this a suggestion he knows Doucet payed over the odds last year?
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Post by sevcik on May 6, 2022 17:55:01 GMT
When he was at Dundee, Omar Pacha regularly put messages like this out to the fan base on the Stars website.
It's good to see that it looks like it's going to continue now he's here in Nottingham.
Pacha is speaking a lot of sense again, hopefully he can, (and will be allowed to) be able to implement all the things he wants to do. Hopefully Doug Christiansen & Robert Lachowicz won't be a part of that - though beggars can't be choosers.
The fanbase is certainly fractured, mainly as a result of the clubs actions and in some cases non actions. Hopefully this is the start of the road back to where the club should be
As others have said this is a big summer for the club and it needs to get its decisions right.
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May 6, 2022 18:09:23 GMT
Post by Jord v4 on May 6, 2022 18:09:23 GMT
Has made it clear the new coach will be doing the recruiting. Balls & balderdash. Looks like the peoples ITK got this one wrong. I will force myself to watch the season just gone highlights on YouTube as a punishment.
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May 6, 2022 18:21:27 GMT
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Post by The Flying Shirt on May 6, 2022 18:21:27 GMT
When he was at Dundee, Omar Pacha regularly put messages like this out to the fan base on the Stars website. It's good to see that it looks like it's going to continue now he's here in Nottingham. Pacha is speaking a lot of sense again, hopefully he can, (and will be allowed to) be able to implement all the things he wants to do. Hopefully Doug Christiansen & Rober Lachowicz won't be a part of that - though beggars can't be choosers. The fanbase is certainly fractured, mainly as a result of the clubs actions and in some cases non actions. Hopefully this is the start of the road back to where the club should be As others have said this is a big summer for the club and it needs to get its decisions right. Pacha has a lot of weight on his shoulders now and I think the job is going to be much much bigger than he could have ever thought. From being the biggest arena team in the league to being brought down to a level few fans would have ever believed possible just a few years ago. Through fault, circumstance and bloody poor recruiting I honestly believe that it will be a happy clapping quiz night only fan base unless he pulls off a miracle.
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May 6, 2022 18:35:33 GMT
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Post by Caesar on May 6, 2022 18:35:33 GMT
Someone ask him at some point if we can have a Supporters Trust. Then we'll see how much power he has 😂😂😂😂. On a serious note though, I'm liking what I'm hearing so far
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May 6, 2022 19:02:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2022 19:02:33 GMT
Has made it clear the new coach will be doing the recruiting. Balls & balderdash. Looks like the peoples ITK got this one wrong. I will force myself to watch the season just gone highlights on YouTube as a punishment. 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by pantherlee on May 6, 2022 19:27:18 GMT
It’s early days and for now it’s just words but everything he’s saying sounds very positive. He sounds like he gets it and seems to have correctly identified what problems need fixing at the club and his passion does show. I also can’t remember the last time the club put out such a clear and concise and honest message to the fans which is a breath of fresh air. Early day but I am quietly optimistic
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Post by EMB on May 6, 2022 21:10:27 GMT
He's definitely been briefed on how bad this club as become, it's been mismanaged on the fan liaison side for years, it's been a closed shop on that front. His enthusiasm is there to see & I truly hope he can turn things around but he has a massive job on his hands because most of the office staff are the old mould of GM.. not approachable. I don't want to see people losing their jobs but he definitely needs a new accommodation officer because this year has been appalling. NB should be worried at the state of things let's hope its not too late.
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