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Post by Jord v4 on May 2, 2022 13:13:13 GMT
Pacha's role will be GM with full recruiting responsibility. In essence he's Doucet but with the GM role as well.
There will be a HC appointed separately.
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Post by bobness on May 2, 2022 13:37:40 GMT
I thought that what was wanted was someone with a few more "contacts" than GD? A hot line into the european league's best players? Pacha doesn't really fit that bill? Or is that the coach's job? Pacha has excellent contacts. Just look at the teams he has built on very small budgets. Charlie Combs for one That may be but I don't think Combs is the proof? He was the kind of player plenty on here would be raging about if we'd signed him. 5 foot 6, effectively a first year pro. I think he got very lucky with Combs, he suited Pacha's game. As did a few others, who've played way above their CVs. But still nowhere near contenders. 2 points in 6 league games vs Giants. Both those in 1 game, so 5 games held pointless by them, 6 including the SF. Here he'll need to get more experienced players to play like NHLers and be at the sharp end of the table. Could be interesting.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on May 2, 2022 13:39:18 GMT
Pacha has excellent contacts. Just look at the teams he has built on very small budgets. Charlie Combs for one That may be but I don't think Combs is the proof? He was the kind of player plenty on here would be raging about if we'd signed him. 5 foot 6, effectively a first year pro. I think he got very lucky with Combs, he suited Pacha's game. As did a few others, who've played way above their CVs. But still nowhere near contenders. 2 points in 6 league games vs Giants. Both those in 1 game, so 5 games held pointless by them, 6 including the SF. Here he'll need to get more experienced players to play like NHLers and be at the sharp end of the table. Could be interesting. Yes, fingers crossed
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Post by wgray on May 2, 2022 13:40:58 GMT
The interview given on YouTube is very good, you can see that Pasha wants to progress and how highly thought of he is in Dundee, I really hope he knows what he’s getting into by coming here and I hope NB treats him as good as Mr Ward. He has one hell of a challenge on his hands. For those interested: In this interview it comes across that he’s been really effective in the GM role in Dundee, his passion and love for the Stars shines through. If he comes to us as a ‘CEO’ and is overseeing the entire club, under taking the roles that Gary did and using his knowledge and passion for the game to help improve things, then I think this could be a great move. If we bring in a head coach who has had experience as a GM as well then I would be happy with that setup.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2022 14:01:16 GMT
I thought that what was wanted was someone with a few more "contacts" than GD? A hot line into the european league's best players? Pacha doesn't really fit that bill? Or is that the coach's job? *if* he's coming it does sound like he's very much coming as GM/CEO only. To run the organisation and take over from Gary, not too run the team. To have some experience in hockey and therefore to have more knowledge of what might be a good call on a signing and demands but not too have the contacts to make the signings happen in the first place. Perhaps why the CEO title has been muted? I don't read this as a Doucet replacement. But, instead as coming in above any DOH or HC to set the tone, clean house, and rebuild the organisation and it's relationship with the fans. But again that's if it happens. If he showed up now to strengthen Steelers set up I think the Cage might self immolate! Fox is coach/GM and MOC is involved somewhere so there's literally no vacancy at Sheffield
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2022 14:01:41 GMT
I thought that what was wanted was someone with a few more "contacts" than GD? A hot line into the european league's best players? Pacha doesn't really fit that bill? Or is that the coach's job? Pacha has excellent contacts. Just look at the teams he has built on very small budgets. Charlie Combs for one Exactly 💯
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Post by bobness on May 2, 2022 14:28:02 GMT
Pacha has excellent contacts. Just look at the teams he has built on very small budgets. Charlie Combs for one Exactly 💯 Look forward to your thoughts when he signs a first year pro to be first line winger. 😂
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Post by blackandgold73 on May 2, 2022 14:28:33 GMT
*if* he's coming it does sound like he's very much coming as GM/CEO only. To run the organisation and take over from Gary, not too run the team. To have some experience in hockey and therefore to have more knowledge of what might be a good call on a signing and demands but not too have the contacts to make the signings happen in the first place. Perhaps why the CEO title has been muted? I don't read this as a Doucet replacement. But, instead as coming in above any DOH or HC to set the tone, clean house, and rebuild the organisation and it's relationship with the fans. But again that's if it happens. If he showed up now to strengthen Steelers set up I think the Cage might self immolate! Fox is coach/GM and MOC is involved somewhere so there's literally no vacancy at Sheffield I understand all that. Hence me saying "to strengthen Steelers set up". I was making a joke about a potential reorganization of their structure that added the CEO level on top of their existing people. There was "literally no (DOH) vacancy" at Panthers either was there until the position was created. It was similarly added on to try and "strengthen the set up" Was saying if Steelers had poached Pacha and decided to reorganize to accommodate adding him as CEO *on top of their existing people* - when they already have built and maintained a good franchise with a strong fan relationship too - then the Panthers fans would be thinking "is Neil Black ever going to try compete with their commitment to building a club" So now that you understand I did know what I was talking about...
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Post by Yotes on May 2, 2022 14:35:56 GMT
Assuming he's coming our way, I'll wish him the very best of luck, although there'll be a lot of waiting and seeing.
Clearly well thought of in Dundee, and will end our current aimless drifting. Plus it's got rid of Doucet and hopefully will end any Blacky interference.
But it's a big step up for him, and I tend to agree with Bob that his recruitment isn't really proven (if he'll be doing that role still), I think this was his first appearance in the playoffs with Dundee for example?
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Post by wannabe2 on May 2, 2022 14:56:37 GMT
I think Pacha would be a huge asset for any club, I would have been very happy to have had him as coach in Cardiff, he to me is the real deal and Panthers have a real gem in him. Probably the best signing you guys have made for years, a strong Panthers team is very important to the league, and to us all.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2022 15:02:57 GMT
Look forward to your thoughts when he signs a first year pro to be first line winger. 😂 Well he seems to have better Intel on players than who douche signed up ..
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Post by bobness on May 2, 2022 15:22:53 GMT
Time will tell as ever. Lots of people were very happy when GD signed. Those same people now wishing him every success in the future. It’s the hope that kills you.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2022 16:07:29 GMT
Time will tell as ever. Lots of people were very happy when GD signed. Those same people now wishing him every success in the future. It’s the hope that kills you. Not many were overly happy when he signed the main concensous was he had no experience and it was a wasted wage... Well hey presto!
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Post by spik on May 2, 2022 17:13:18 GMT
I haven’t a clue. So hope whatever is done is done to get back on top of things and that includes remembering who sits in the seats also.
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Post by Yotes on May 2, 2022 19:41:58 GMT
Time will tell as ever. Lots of people were very happy when GD signed. Those same people now wishing him every success in the future. It’s the hope that kills you. Not many were overly happy when he signed the main concensous was he had no experience and it was a wasted wage... Well hey presto! A quick look at our thread for his signing would show that this is clearly untrue, including your opinion which congratulated the club on getting a hockey man in place. Doucet also signed your favourite player didn't he? So not all bad presumably? Crap as this year's Panthers were, they still outperformed Dundee.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2022 20:36:51 GMT
Not many were overly happy when he signed the main concensous was he had no experience and it was a wasted wage... Well hey presto! A quick look at our thread for his signing would show that this is clearly untrue, including your opinion which congratulated the club on getting a hockey man in place. Doucet also signed your favourite player didn't he? So not all bad presumably? Crap as this year's Panthers were, they still outperformed Dundee. That doesn't prove anything. Sheffield out performed Dundee as well but I wouldn't want Fox over pacha either ! He got completed out coached over 120 mins with a budget 2/3 times bigger. Doucet may have been a hockey man as he played the game but he brought in some crap! He should have gone in January
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Post by bobness on May 2, 2022 21:18:21 GMT
A budget 2/3 bigger? So for every £1000 Steelers spend, Stars spend £600? You know this how?
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Post by Yotes on May 2, 2022 21:34:13 GMT
That doesn't prove anything. So the record of our "low budget" team (per you, in this thread) over a season against their record over a season proves nothing, but a 2-legged tie does? He should have gone in January Quite possibly, but it wouldn't have made any difference. Would just have meant another temporary appointment to fill the gap til now, or yet another void in the leadership structures at the club. Yes he did (although you were very positive about all of them at the time), but he also signed the best player we've had for a good few years, which probably shows every recruiter gets lucky every now and then, and we should probably look at overall records rather than individuals, and Pacha's overall record at Dundee isn't great, in league, cup or playoffs. Doesn't mean he won't lead us to league titles galore of course, I hope he does, but as Bob says, time will tell.
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Post by Yotes on May 2, 2022 21:38:20 GMT
In your heart of hearts Bob, I think you already know the answer to that.
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Post by bobness on May 2, 2022 21:40:37 GMT
In your heart of hearts Bob, I think you already know the answer to that. Same as the team that “does not look cheap” pre season, becomes exactly the opposite of that when results don’t go positively.
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Post by blackandgold73 on May 2, 2022 23:26:51 GMT
A quick look at our thread for his signing would show that this is clearly untrue, including your opinion which congratulated the club on getting a hockey man in place. Doucet also signed your favourite player didn't he? So not all bad presumably? Crap as this year's Panthers were, they still outperformed Dundee. That doesn't prove anything. Beyond a tendency to rewrite history in your favour? Or to state things as having been said which are demonstrably not backed up by the evidence of what was actually said? And then to ignore that inconvenient fact and try and divert with another "argument" of equally dubious standing?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2022 1:58:51 GMT
Fox is coach/GM and MOC is involved somewhere so there's literally no vacancy at Sheffield I understand all that. Hence me saying "to strengthen Steelers set up". I was making a joke about a potential reorganization of their structure that added the CEO level on top of their existing people. There was "literally no (DOH) vacancy" at Panthers either was there until the position was created. It was similarly added on to try and "strengthen the set up" Was saying if Steelers had poached Pacha and decided to reorganize to accommodate adding him as CEO *on top of their existing people* - when they already have built and maintained a good franchise with a strong fan relationship too - then the Panthers fans would be thinking "is Neil Black ever going to try compete with their commitment to building a club" So now that you understand I did know what I was talking about... So you tried to be funny then .. but it wasn't 🙈
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Post by bobness on May 3, 2022 6:33:19 GMT
Oh, I don’t know, this last page has been quite amusing in general.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2022 8:31:22 GMT
Yup you trying convince yourself Pacha will be no better than GD 🙈
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2022 8:38:51 GMT
So Doucet bought in Herr a quality player .. what's that 1.. out of 40 !! Awesome work lad 👏👏
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