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Post by jd on Apr 25, 2022 22:24:12 GMT
can we splice them into one ? I do understand getting rid of both, I think one or both could easily stay in the league or get good jobs back home. Agreed, plenty of players out there, both can be upgraded on. If I’m being honest, I’d love us to a group of hard-hitting, no nonsense defence men. Lepine, Rissling, Gagnon and Beckett please
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Apr 26, 2022 5:58:46 GMT
Agreed, plenty of players out there, both can be upgraded on. If I’m being honest, I’d love us to a group of hard-hitting, no nonsense defence men. Lepine, Rissling, Gagnon and Beckett please Swap Mike Rees for Rissling
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Post by Robbie Nud on Apr 26, 2022 7:36:28 GMT
In regards to the players we first need to know what the roster rules are going to be. Hopefully they aren’t the same as this season and we go with the rules that were interned for the 20/21 season: www.eliteleague.co.uk/article/216-roster-regulations-changed-for-2020-21-season 13 imports, 4 O25 Brits, 3 U25 Brits, meaning we can play 4 lines again, but we would need to add to our Brit pack, in which case: Import - Import - Import Boivin - Welsh - Import Import - Myers - Betteridge Richards - Kelsall - Hopkins Import - Import Import - Norrish Tetlow - Import Brit Brit I’m glad that we know Welsh is returning, I’d like us to keep Boivin as a 2nd line player, Richards is a decent, not too expensive depth player with potential. Norrish, in my eyes, would be good as part of a shut down pairing. Keep our current group of Brits but bring Hopkins in and play him, assuming that Lee doesn’t return we would need to bring in another Brit, maybe Bowns would be interested? If not, we would have to find another. Welsh, because he is on 2 year, but that would be it. There are others who are better out there. A Boivin type player but a foot taller and 2 stone bigger so is not knocked off the puck easily. Brits - Betteridge, Kelsall, Hopkins & Tetlow. Myers is getting on and we should be looking at younger to build a core of Brits who will be around for a while.
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Post by Gilly on Apr 26, 2022 8:47:45 GMT
Regardless of who comes back, whoever’s idea within the league it was to have a bench size of 19 needs sacking - just make it 20 which allows for 3 D pairings and 4 FULL lines - ridiculous decision.
Regards returnees - certainly wouldn’t be unhappy if none of the imports came back (besides Welsh and his Uni deal). I think previously we’ve had teams who have been lazy but better quality, this teams effort can’t be faulted, but they’re just not very good.
One thing which I’ve said all season is that I can take not being very good, but when you aren’t very good you have to be different, or entertaining if you like - do something to change the course of the game, anything, a hit, a fight, run the keeper, whatever, just DO SOMETHING. Far far too many times we just let the game get away from and carried on doing what we’d always done which got us Absolutly nowhere and was boring as hell to watch.
One thing for sure is we were far too nice this year, so 2/3 spark plugs next year would be great, if nothing else to inject some life into whatever team we put out and get the crowd going. The players themselves say they feed off the crowd … well do something to get them going then!
Clear out for me bar Welsh and the brits (although tetlow can go, not EIHL level I’m afraid) give Hopkins a regular slot on the 4th and start this all again
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Post by DMS on Apr 26, 2022 10:01:11 GMT
Clear out for me bar Welsh and the brits (although tetlow can go, not EIHL level I’m afraid) give Hopkins a regular slot on the 4th and start this all again Hopkins would be wasted on the 4th line. He’s much better than being turned into a low line grinder. He is a scorer and has the ability. I want to see him put with a decent set up man and give him a real opportunity.
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Post by allingtonskates on Apr 26, 2022 10:20:09 GMT
Norrish, not J C BRASS AAARD ? (sorry I'm auditioning for Ken's job) At the start of the season i thought Norrish was a real find but since then he's been as guilty as any-one of the poor turnover and he doesn't have much of a physical presence. Neither does Brassard, but he seems to have more to offer going forward now. I was drawn to watching Jake Bolton last night for the Flames and he's got a real presence on the ice, solid at the back, good going forward and has scored a few points. Had we won I might have thought he'd good for us but we don't really have much to tempt him north with. I think Norrish is good at skating the puck out of trouble and I’d argue that he’s probably the most aggressive defence man we had this season, with the right players around him I think he’d be much better. I think Brassard is a terrific puck handler going forward but it’s the other side of the game that’s the problem, no physical presence in the corners and struggles against speedy players when the puck goes the other way. wouldn’t be upset to see both brassard and norrish leave. Neither are good enough if we are being realistic but fair enough the played ok on a terrible team.
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Post by allingtonskates on Apr 26, 2022 10:23:53 GMT
I wouldn’t personally take any back other than Welsh and boivin. There are some other decent players who could play a role at the club (Richards, Norrish, Brassard). It’s a shame that we didn’t see Carozza and domingue play a fully fit season but honestly they can all be improved on and need to be improved on if we want to challenge for the title.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 26, 2022 10:46:31 GMT
Clear out for me bar Welsh and the brits (although tetlow can go, not EIHL level I’m afraid) give Hopkins a regular slot on the 4th and start this all again Hopkins would be wasted on the 4th line. He’s much better than being turned into a low line grinder. He is a scorer and has the ability. I want to see him put with a decent set up man and give him a real opportunity. I would have given him Kelsalls place months ago
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Post by wgray on Apr 26, 2022 11:04:09 GMT
Hopkins would be wasted on the 4th line. He’s much better than being turned into a low line grinder. He is a scorer and has the ability. I want to see him put with a decent set up man and give him a real opportunity. I would have given him Kelsalls place months ago Dependent on the roster rules, if we got rid of Kelsall we would have to find another Brit from somewhere, unless we let Clarke-Pizzo have a go on the 4th line?
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Post by bobness on Apr 26, 2022 11:13:13 GMT
Clear out for me bar Welsh and the brits (although tetlow can go, not EIHL level I’m afraid) give Hopkins a regular slot on the 4th and start this all again Hopkins would be wasted on the 4th line. He’s much better than being turned into a low line grinder. He is a scorer and has the ability. I want to see him put with a decent set up man and give him a real opportunity. Maybe so, but he's very slightly built just now, and needs to be eased in. He's clearly destined for better than a 4th line role, but you can't go straight to Go and not collect £200. You imagine him in a battle with a 6'4 experienced pro D man every shift, it'd be carnage as it stands. Play him full time, next season, but get him 5-15 minutes a game, with an experienced player like Myers for example. Maybe spot him on the top 2 lines if a player gets injured, stick him on as and when the game is done. Much as Ollie did.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 26, 2022 12:01:44 GMT
I would have given him Kelsalls place months ago Dependent on the roster rules, if we got rid of Kelsall we would have to find another Brit from somewhere, unless we let Clarke-Pizzo have a go on the 4th line? Just do what the other arena teams do a sign a top drawer Brit like other teams are trying to do with Betteridge
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Post by Gilly on Apr 26, 2022 13:52:21 GMT
Clear out for me bar Welsh and the brits (although tetlow can go, not EIHL level I’m afraid) give Hopkins a regular slot on the 4th and start this all again Hopkins would be wasted on the 4th line. He’s much better than being turned into a low line grinder. He is a scorer and has the ability. I want to see him put with a decent set up man and give him a real opportunity. Absolutly agree, I just means put him on the 4th line to get game time without the added pressure of scoring. The lad has clearly got potential but needs easing in the way Sheffield did with Kirk (and less so graham) Give him 2/3 years and he looks like he could be a second line regular
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Post by iginla on Apr 26, 2022 20:53:09 GMT
Dependent on the roster rules, if we got rid of Kelsall we would have to find another Brit from somewhere, unless we let Clarke-Pizzo have a go on the 4th line? Just do what the other arena teams do a sign a top drawer Brit like other teams are trying to do with Betteridge Mmmm One problem,they all know what it’s like in Nottingham !
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 26, 2022 21:24:06 GMT
Just do what the other arena teams do a sign a top drawer Brit like other teams are trying to do with Betteridge Mmmm One problem,they all know what it’s like in Nottingham ! It's all about the £££. The BS of "bringing Brits through" is never going to happen without someone like CN. It's just a way of getting kids on the cheap
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Post by jd on Apr 27, 2022 6:44:56 GMT
Just do what the other arena teams do a sign a top drawer Brit like other teams are trying to do with Betteridge Mmmm One problem,they all know what it’s like in Nottingham ! But we’ve had quality Brits in the past?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 27, 2022 7:57:39 GMT
Mmmm One problem,they all know what it’s like in Nottingham ! But we’ve had quality Brits in the past? Before the budget was slashed
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Post by iginla on Apr 27, 2022 12:56:02 GMT
Mmmm One problem,they all know what it’s like in Nottingham ! But we’ve had quality Brits in the past? Sheffield and Cardiff had various dodgy owners,now it’s just Nottingham that seem like that. It’s no coincidence that Panthers best Brit pack was when Bob Phillips and Paul Ragan were around the EIHL at Steelers and Devils
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Post by jd on Apr 27, 2022 15:49:39 GMT
But we’ve had quality Brits in the past? Before the budget was slashed Who would have Brit wise if you could get them?
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Post by pantherlee on Apr 27, 2022 16:06:08 GMT
Before the budget was slashed Who would have Brit wise if you could get them? Betteridge, Myers, Ferrara, Hook, Clements, Whistle U23s Hopkins, Hazeldine, Kelsall Tried not to be stupidly unrealistic though I realise this will never happen
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Post by Bagheera on Apr 27, 2022 17:47:11 GMT
I'm taking this as a big sign he wont be returning.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 27, 2022 17:51:23 GMT
Who would have Brit wise if you could get them? Betteridge, Myers, Ferrara, Hook, Clements, Whistle U23s Hopkins, Hazeldine, Kelsall Tried not to be stupidly unrealistic though I realise this will never happen EVERY top-line Brit I could get my hands on. Sheffield do. Belfast do. Cardiff do. Not a couple of "developers" who are farmed out then warming the bench on the cheap. But the money has already gone.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 27, 2022 17:52:26 GMT
I would be staggered if any of them are returning (bar Welsh)
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Post by wgray on Apr 27, 2022 18:13:48 GMT
Betteridge, Myers, Ferrara, Hook, Clements, Whistle U23s Hopkins, Hazeldine, Kelsall Tried not to be stupidly unrealistic though I realise this will never happen EVERY top-line Brit I could get my hands on. Sheffield do. Belfast do. Cardiff do. Not a couple of "developers" who are farmed out then warming the bench on the cheap. But the money has already gone. I’ll give you Belfast as Conway has come good and Whistle is the 2nd best Brit goalie out there but what “top line” Brits have Cardiff or Sheffield got their hands on of late? Sheffield’s latest Brit recruit was Sam Jones who is undoubtedly their 6th dman. Cardiff signed Davies and Waller in the summer who have both been playing either the 3rd or 4th line this season and O’Connor who ended up being that poor they let him go half way through the season. The best Brits come at a cost and if you were to pay a fortune to lure all the Brits that have been mentioned to Nottingham, then there would be no money available to sign the best imports. The only way that players like Dowd, Richardson, Myers, Betteridge, Phillips, Ferrara have developed into the players they are now is through giving them a chance and playing them. The same needs to happen with Kelsall, Tetlow, Hopkins, Pizzo-Clarke. They’re all young, let them continue to be role players and let them develop whilst complementing them with the best imports we can afford.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 27, 2022 19:21:46 GMT
EVERY top-line Brit I could get my hands on. Sheffield do. Belfast do. Cardiff do. Not a couple of "developers" who are farmed out then warming the bench on the cheap. But the money has already gone. I’ll give you Belfast as Conway has come good and Whistle is the 2nd best Brit goalie out there but what “top line” Brits have Cardiff or Sheffield got their hands on of late? Sheffield’s latest Brit recruit was Sam Jones who is undoubtedly their 6th dman. Cardiff signed Davies and Waller in the summer who have both been playing either the 3rd or 4th line this season and O’Connor who ended up being that poor they let him go half way through the season. The best Brits come at a cost and if you were to pay a fortune to lure all the Brits that have been mentioned to Nottingham, then there would be no money available to sign the best imports. The only way that players like Dowd, Richardson, Myers, Betteridge, Phillips, Ferrara have developed into the players they are now is through giving them a chance and playing them. The same needs to happen with Kelsall, Tetlow, Hopkins, Pizzo-Clarke. They’re all young, let them continue to be role players and let them develop whilst complementing them with the best imports we can afford. Kelsall has had several years both here and Dundee, Tetlow has a good pass but he is defensively naive, slow and a terrible skater, and just how many minutes have Hopkins and Pizzo-Clarke had all season? Less than Paws. Jones will develop much quicker than Tetlow and so did all of the rest mentioned there. Nottingham's version of giving them a chance now is to add them to the roster (cheap) and then hardly ever use them.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Apr 27, 2022 20:30:49 GMT
Yeah, flogging the fridge freezer is not the sign of a staying player really is it. Unless they're moving to a new furnished place. But then with no coach in place to say players might be wanted next year I guess it's even possible players could find themselves doing this stuff and then having to buy a replacement in a couple of months time if they did then ultimately get asked back by the incoming guy. Now that would be annoying
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