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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2022 20:01:58 GMT
Roll on next season? This comment always amuses me.. I've got news for you things won't be any better There is a very real chance i'm going to be very wrong on this but I have a feeling Black may actually put his hand in his pocket ahead of next season. Even he can see how quickly this is all going south. Tonights attendance was woeful. Lucky if 2k people were in. They will need to get a lot of positive news out very quickly to entice ST sales. Let's wait and see what unfolds over the next month. He'll need to do something mate but isn't his budget dependent on previous years crowd income ? Yes the attendance tonight looked bad on the tele |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2022 20:03:31 GMT
There is a very real chance i'm going to be very wrong on this but I have a feeling Black may actually put his hand in his pocket ahead of next season. Even he can see how quickly this is all going south. Tonights attendance was woeful. Lucky if 2k people were in. They will need to get a lot of positive news out very quickly to entice ST sales. Let's wait and see what unfolds over the next month. Well he was there to see it. So here's hoping! And apparently he bolted as soon as the hooter went! Don't know if that was a good thing or bad.. perhaps he just didn't care and left to beat the rush and set off back down London ! |
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Post by bobness on Apr 24, 2022 20:07:24 GMT
Exactly the likes of Richards get nowhere near belfasts roster so why they deemed good enough for panthers? Inconvenient fact warning. He scored at a better rate than Darcy Murphy. Potential, dear boy. Not saying he’s perfect, but he has plenty if the p word. OOAA, clearly. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2022 20:08:54 GMT
Exactly the likes of Richards get nowhere near belfasts roster so why they deemed good enough for panthers? He scored at a better rate than Darcy Murphy. Oh well that's alright then . Richards also plays on the panthers top two lines .. Murphy was on belfasts 3rd line this year. |
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Post by bobness on Apr 24, 2022 20:10:28 GMT
He scored at a better rate than Darcy Murphy. Oh well that's alright then . Richards also plays on the panthers top two lines .. Murphy was on belfasts 3rd line this year. Well with all the injuries, you nearly got a game… 😂 |
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Post by Bagheera on Apr 24, 2022 20:33:38 GMT
I know it's really a new thread all together but im going to drop it here for now.
A player i'd really like to see us poach from another EIHL team is Kyle Haas. Easy to assume from the odd viewing that he is just a donkey, however I think he is exactly what our D was missing this year.
6ft 2inch, 200+lbs, 8 points in 48 games, and to cap it off he comes in 3rd on Dundees roster for +/- at +13.
Not everybody is a fan of the fighter being a Dman but i'd take Haas tomorrow. After the season we've just had i'd add secondary toughness on the forward lines too.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Apr 24, 2022 20:48:02 GMT
Richard’s, Boivin and Carozza would be fine on a fourth line if you had six or seven injuries Exactly the likes of Richards get nowhere near belfasts roster so why they deemed good enough for panthers? 51 Games, 1G, 8A, 9Pts 53 Games, 10G, 13A, 23PTS 60 Games, 16G, 31A, 47Pts Those are the first three EIHL years of one now regular dual national Team GB player who absolutely wouldn't have got near Belfast's roster as an import in his first year in the UK, but bet you he might have been looked at by year three. No one was saying Richard's is the finished product but he's got potential, works his ass off and scored 33% of our playoff goals with 67% shot to goal conversion rate in the playoffs. I said he had potential. I never said he would run the first line. That's the job of the forum knowledge base right? |
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Post by blackandgold73 on Apr 24, 2022 20:55:38 GMT
There is a very real chance i'm going to be very wrong on this but I have a feeling Black may actually put his hand in his pocket ahead of next season. Even he can see how quickly this is all going south. Tonights attendance was woeful. Lucky if 2k people were in. They will need to get a lot of positive news out very quickly to entice ST sales. Let's wait and see what unfolds over the next month. He'll need to do something mate but isn't his budget dependent on previous years crowd income ? Yes the attendance tonight looked bad on the tele So if he's setting the budget based on low attendances they maybe we should also be looking for gutsy, hard working, reliable, relatively cheap players with potential to grow and score more as they develop, to balance splashing it about on those players we know we'll need to play top line hockey? Just a thought... |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 24, 2022 21:15:32 GMT
I know it's really a new thread all together but im going to drop it here for now. A player i'd really like to see us poach from another EIHL team is Kyle Haas. Easy to assume from the odd viewing that he is just a donkey, however I think he is exactly what our D was missing this year. 6ft 2inch, 200+lbs, 8 points in 48 games, and to cap it off he comes in 3rd on Dundees roster for +/- at +13. Not everybody is a fan of the fighter being a Dman but i'd take Haas tomorrow. After the season we've just had i'd add secondary toughness on the forward lines too. I’ve watched a lot of Dundee games this year and in the second half of the season he’s been excellent |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 24, 2022 21:16:37 GMT
Exactly the likes of Richards get nowhere near belfasts roster so why they deemed good enough for panthers? 51 Games, 1G, 8A, 9Pts 53 Games, 10G, 13A, 23PTS 60 Games, 16G, 31A, 47Pts Those are the first three EIHL years of one now regular dual national Team GB player who absolutely wouldn't have got near Belfast's roster as an import in his first year in the UK, but bet you he might have been looked at by year three. No one was saying Richard's is the finished product but he's got potential, works his ass off and scored 33% of our playoff goals with 67% shot to goal conversion rate in the playoffs. I said he had potential. I never said he would run the first line. That's the job of the forum knowledge base right? So (apart from Betteridge) we are going to start keeping players for three seasons?? |
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Post by EMB on Apr 24, 2022 21:37:22 GMT
I know it's really a new thread all together but im going to drop it here for now. A player i'd really like to see us poach from another EIHL team is Kyle Haas. Easy to assume from the odd viewing that he is just a donkey, however I think he is exactly what our D was missing this year. 6ft 2inch, 200+lbs, 8 points in 48 games, and to cap it off he comes in 3rd on Dundees roster for +/- at +13. Not everybody is a fan of the fighter being a Dman but i'd take Haas tomorrow. After the season we've just had i'd add secondary toughness on the forward lines too. Baggie you never know, if Pacha takes the contract he's rumoured to have been offered then he may tempt Haas away from Dundee. If I was Pacha I wouldnt touch this club, while ever NB runs it, He'd be on a hiding to nothing as both Gui & Tim have found out. Lacho was contacted months ago about coming back so you never know, Perlini wont come back here he couldnt wait to get away, why do you suppose we never managed to tempt his cousin to come. I wouldnt be surprised to see Ollie go either depending on how he recovers, Belfast trying to tempt him away and if Sheffield get wind they will come in aswell. Its all about how you treat your players both on and off the ice and surprising we are not very good at that. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2022 22:39:53 GMT
I know it's really a new thread all together but im going to drop it here for now. A player i'd really like to see us poach from another EIHL team is Kyle Haas. Easy to assume from the odd viewing that he is just a donkey, however I think he is exactly what our D was missing this year. 6ft 2inch, 200+lbs, 8 points in 48 games, and to cap it off he comes in 3rd on Dundees roster for +/- at +13. Not everybody is a fan of the fighter being a Dman but i'd take Haas tomorrow. After the season we've just had i'd add secondary toughness on the forward lines too. Baggie you never know, if Pacha takes the contract he's rumoured to have been offered then he may tempt Haas away from Dundee. If I was Pacha I wouldnt touch this club, while ever NB runs it, He'd be on a hiding to nothing as both Gui & Tim have found out. Lacho was contacted months ago about coming back so you never know, Perlini wont come back here he couldnt wait to get away, why do you suppose we never managed to tempt his cousin to come. I wouldnt be surprised to see Ollie go either depending on how he recovers, Belfast trying to tempt him away and if Sheffield get wind they will come in aswell. Its all about how you treat your players both on and off the ice and surprising we are not very good at that. How did CN stay as long as he did then |
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Post by EMB on Apr 24, 2022 22:49:31 GMT
Because Gary ran the show then and Neil left him to it. That’s why the whole place is in turmoil Neil getting involved in things he’s never had to do before. And Corey was successful.
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Post by bobness on Apr 25, 2022 8:14:29 GMT
I know it's really a new thread all together but im going to drop it here for now. A player i'd really like to see us poach from another EIHL team is Kyle Haas. Easy to assume from the odd viewing that he is just a donkey, however I think he is exactly what our D was missing this year. 6ft 2inch, 200+lbs, 8 points in 48 games, and to cap it off he comes in 3rd on Dundees roster for +/- at +13. Not everybody is a fan of the fighter being a Dman but i'd take Haas tomorrow. After the season we've just had i'd add secondary toughness on the forward lines too. I’ve watched a lot of Dundee games this year and in the second half of the season he’s been excellent He certainly seems to have calmed down and contributed more. |
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Post by bobness on Apr 25, 2022 8:16:54 GMT
Because Gary ran the show then and Neil left him to it. That’s why the whole place is in turmoil Neil getting involved in things he’s never had to do before. And Corey was successful. In that case, your new GM appointment is pivotal. Get that right, and players will come. New broom and all that. |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 25, 2022 8:17:33 GMT
I’ve watched a lot of Dundee games this year and in the second half of the season he’s been excellent He certainly seems to have calmed down and contributed more. I think they all do. They come here thinking it's a fight a minute league and then when they find out it isn't they calm down and play. Springer for instance in Manchester was a nightmare when he first played here but now he's an excellent EIHL player and just the type that we needed this year |
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Post by bobness on Apr 25, 2022 9:19:39 GMT
He scored at a better rate than Darcy Murphy. Oh well that's alright then . Richards also plays on the panthers top two lines .. Murphy was on belfasts 3rd line this year. More inconvenient facts alert. By "top 2 lines" I assume you mean the line with Lane and Baillargeon, which was the de facto second line lately? Richards has never (well, except one goal that was scored on 16 Jan, when Welsh was on the ice too) played with Welsh or Boivin (by consensus, the "top line" (with rotating wingers)) all year. The line above has only really been consistently together since game 46/47, the Belfast weekend. (They were listed as a line in games before that but were seldom on the ice together when anything happened.) After that weekend, that line was consistently together, and has been even (i.e. +0) in that time, and in the last 7 games (a pretty nasty time for the team in general) the trio have scored 16 points, combined for 8 even strength goals, including 6 points for Richards himself. The rest of the team went a combined -36 over that time. I'd say that's a pretty positive result in the time he's been moved to a consistent scoring line. |
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Post by wgray on Apr 25, 2022 10:18:56 GMT
The most important decision before anything is bringing in a GM who can lead this club. Someone experienced in both hockey and in management because as bad as we’ve been on the ice, off the ice we are struggling as well, attendances have dropped, relationship between fans and club is at an all time low.
Whoever is brought in as GM should hire the coach. With our focus being to win the regular season title we have to bring in a coach who has had this success wherever they’ve coached.
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Post by wgray on Apr 25, 2022 10:26:24 GMT
In regards to the players we first need to know what the roster rules are going to be. Hopefully they aren’t the same as this season and we go with the rules that were interned for the 20/21 season: www.eliteleague.co.uk/article/216-roster-regulations-changed-for-2020-21-season 13 imports, 4 O25 Brits, 3 U25 Brits, meaning we can play 4 lines again, but we would need to add to our Brit pack, in which case: Import - Import - Import Boivin - Welsh - Import Import - Myers - Betteridge Richards - Kelsall - Hopkins Import - Import Import - Norrish Tetlow - Import Brit Brit I’m glad that we know Welsh is returning, I’d like us to keep Boivin as a 2nd line player, Richards is a decent, not too expensive depth player with potential. Norrish, in my eyes, would be good as part of a shut down pairing. Keep our current group of Brits but bring Hopkins in and play him, assuming that Lee doesn’t return we would need to bring in another Brit, maybe Bowns would be interested? If not, we would have to find another. |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 25, 2022 10:43:54 GMT
In regards to the players we first need to know what the roster rules are going to be. Hopefully they aren’t the same as this season and we go with the rules that were interned for the 20/21 season: www.eliteleague.co.uk/article/216-roster-regulations-changed-for-2020-21-season 13 imports, 4 O25 Brits, 3 U25 Brits, meaning we can play 4 lines again, but we would need to add to our Brit pack, in which case: Import - Import - Import Boivin - Welsh - Import Import - Myers - Betteridge Richards - Kelsall - Hopkins Import - Import Import - Norrish Tetlow - Import Brit Brit I’m glad that we know Welsh is returning, I’d like us to keep Boivin as a 2nd line player, Richards is a decent, not too expensive depth player with potential. Norrish, in my eyes, would be good as part of a shut down pairing. Keep our current group of Brits but bring Hopkins in and play him, assuming that Lee doesn’t return we would need to bring in another Brit, maybe Bowns would be interested? If not, we would have to find another. Concentrate on Hopkins and upgrade on Kelsall |
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Apr 25, 2022 11:55:32 GMT
In regards to the players we first need to know what the roster rules are going to be. Hopefully they aren’t the same as this season and we go with the rules that were interned for the 20/21 season: www.eliteleague.co.uk/article/216-roster-regulations-changed-for-2020-21-season 13 imports, 4 O25 Brits, 3 U25 Brits, meaning we can play 4 lines again, but we would need to add to our Brit pack, in which case: Import - Import - Import Boivin - Welsh - Import Import - Myers - Betteridge Richards - Kelsall - Hopkins Import - Import Import - Norrish Tetlow - Import Brit Brit I’m glad that we know Welsh is returning, I’d like us to keep Boivin as a 2nd line player, Richards is a decent, not too expensive depth player with potential. Norrish, in my eyes, would be good as part of a shut down pairing. Keep our current group of Brits but bring Hopkins in and play him, assuming that Lee doesn’t return we would need to bring in another Brit, maybe Bowns would be interested? If not, we would have to find another. Norrish, not J C BRASS AAARD ? (sorry I'm auditioning for Ken's job) At the start of the season i thought Norrish was a real find but since then he's been as guilty as any-one of the poor turnover and he doesn't have much of a physical presence. Neither does Brassard, but he seems to have more to offer going forward now. I was drawn to watching Jake Bolton last night for the Flames and he's got a real presence on the ice, solid at the back, good going forward and has scored a few points. Had we won I might have thought he'd good for us but we don't really have much to tempt him north with. |
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Post by wgray on Apr 25, 2022 12:20:22 GMT
In regards to the players we first need to know what the roster rules are going to be. Hopefully they aren’t the same as this season and we go with the rules that were interned for the 20/21 season: www.eliteleague.co.uk/article/216-roster-regulations-changed-for-2020-21-season 13 imports, 4 O25 Brits, 3 U25 Brits, meaning we can play 4 lines again, but we would need to add to our Brit pack, in which case: Import - Import - Import Boivin - Welsh - Import Import - Myers - Betteridge Richards - Kelsall - Hopkins Import - Import Import - Norrish Tetlow - Import Brit Brit I’m glad that we know Welsh is returning, I’d like us to keep Boivin as a 2nd line player, Richards is a decent, not too expensive depth player with potential. Norrish, in my eyes, would be good as part of a shut down pairing. Keep our current group of Brits but bring Hopkins in and play him, assuming that Lee doesn’t return we would need to bring in another Brit, maybe Bowns would be interested? If not, we would have to find another. Norrish, not J C BRASS AAARD ? (sorry I'm auditioning for Ken's job) At the start of the season i thought Norrish was a real find but since then he's been as guilty as any-one of the poor turnover and he doesn't have much of a physical presence. Neither does Brassard, but he seems to have more to offer going forward now. I was drawn to watching Jake Bolton last night for the Flames and he's got a real presence on the ice, solid at the back, good going forward and has scored a few points. Had we won I might have thought he'd good for us but we don't really have much to tempt him north with. I think Norrish is good at skating the puck out of trouble and I’d argue that he’s probably the most aggressive defence man we had this season, with the right players around him I think he’d be much better. I think Brassard is a terrific puck handler going forward but it’s the other side of the game that’s the problem, no physical presence in the corners and struggles against speedy players when the puck goes the other way. |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 25, 2022 12:32:23 GMT
In regards to the players we first need to know what the roster rules are going to be. Hopefully they aren’t the same as this season and we go with the rules that were interned for the 20/21 season: www.eliteleague.co.uk/article/216-roster-regulations-changed-for-2020-21-season 13 imports, 4 O25 Brits, 3 U25 Brits, meaning we can play 4 lines again, but we would need to add to our Brit pack, in which case: Import - Import - Import Boivin - Welsh - Import Import - Myers - Betteridge Richards - Kelsall - Hopkins Import - Import Import - Norrish Tetlow - Import Brit Brit I’m glad that we know Welsh is returning, I’d like us to keep Boivin as a 2nd line player, Richards is a decent, not too expensive depth player with potential. Norrish, in my eyes, would be good as part of a shut down pairing. Keep our current group of Brits but bring Hopkins in and play him, assuming that Lee doesn’t return we would need to bring in another Brit, maybe Bowns would be interested? If not, we would have to find another. Norrish, not J C BRASS AAARD ? (sorry I'm auditioning for Ken's job) At the start of the season i thought Norrish was a real find but since then he's been as guilty as any-one of the poor turnover and he doesn't have much of a physical presence. Neither does Brassard, but he seems to have more to offer going forward now. I was drawn to watching Jake Bolton last night for the Flames and he's got a real presence on the ice, solid at the back, good going forward and has scored a few points. Had we won I might have thought he'd good for us but we don't really have much to tempt him north with. Both had "ok" moments in a very poor team. Both are easily upgraded on or it's just going to be the same all over again |
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Apr 25, 2022 12:45:08 GMT
Norrish, not J C BRASS AAARD ? (sorry I'm auditioning for Ken's job) At the start of the season i thought Norrish was a real find but since then he's been as guilty as any-one of the poor turnover and he doesn't have much of a physical presence. Neither does Brassard, but he seems to have more to offer going forward now. I was drawn to watching Jake Bolton last night for the Flames and he's got a real presence on the ice, solid at the back, good going forward and has scored a few points. Had we won I might have thought he'd good for us but we don't really have much to tempt him north with. I think Norrish is good at skating the puck out of trouble and I’d argue that he’s probably the most aggressive defence man we had this season, with the right players around him I think he’d be much better. I think Brassard is a terrific puck handler going forward but it’s the other side of the game that’s the problem, no physical presence in the corners and struggles against speedy players when the puck goes the other way. can we splice them into one ? I do understand getting rid of both, I think one or both could easily stay in the league or get good jobs back home. |
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Post by wgray on Apr 25, 2022 21:50:33 GMT
I think Norrish is good at skating the puck out of trouble and I’d argue that he’s probably the most aggressive defence man we had this season, with the right players around him I think he’d be much better. I think Brassard is a terrific puck handler going forward but it’s the other side of the game that’s the problem, no physical presence in the corners and struggles against speedy players when the puck goes the other way. can we splice them into one ? I do understand getting rid of both, I think one or both could easily stay in the league or get good jobs back home. Agreed, plenty of players out there, both can be upgraded on. If I’m being honest, I’d love us to a group of hard-hitting, no nonsense defence men. |
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