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Post by blackandgold73 on Apr 14, 2022 11:09:11 GMT
So it looks like it will only be Downie and Kerlin for the playoffs. No additional NM incoming Deal was done for Bowns to join us, and he's here and has been training with the team, helping out the young guys but the IIHF rules prevent him being registered and joining the team. The IIHF rules overwrite the league netminder exception rule. So we got caught out when others had cover built in. Carr is skating again and will see what he can do with his injured finger but looks unlikely to reappear this season The other potentially available UK based netminders (IE Owen etc) weren't willing to come for a playoff run it seems ... www.panthers.co.uk/home/220414-netminding |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2022 11:51:10 GMT
Wow! So Panthers either don't know the rules around signing Nettie's even though it's a specialist position or the IIHF have moved the goalposts 🤷🤔
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Post by Jord v4 on Apr 14, 2022 12:33:15 GMT
Wow! So Panthers either don't know the rules around signing Nettie's even though it's a specialist position or the IIHF have moved the goalposts 🤷🤔 If they moved the goalposts yesterday it would explain Coventry letting 9 (nine) in. |
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Post by blackandgold73 on Apr 14, 2022 12:38:43 GMT
Wow! So Panthers either don't know the rules around signing Nettie's even though it's a specialist position or the IIHF have moved the goalposts 🤷🤔 Panthers were following the Elite League's new "regulations" which say you have to keep one roster space free for an emergency netminder and that there is no deadline on bringing that netminder in. But these regulations conflict with the IIHF existing transfer day deadline if its an international transfer and the IIHF rules take precedence over the EIHL regulations if you want to bring someone in from another country. So we could have signed anyone we wanted based in the country already (hence Downie and approaches to Owen etc) but even with a deal in place to bring in Bowns, it's passed the IIHF transfer deadline so couldn't be ratified. It's the first I that's caused the problem: *International* Ice Hockey Federation. The IIHF rules haven't changed as far as I'm aware. So it's a case of acting to the EIHL new regulations and not realising this one would conflict with the IIHF in most cases |
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Post by iginla on Apr 14, 2022 12:51:06 GMT
So both the EIHL and Panthers basically don’t know the rules or what they’re doing ! Pmsl 🤣🤣
And we assume both Owen and Bacisihua turned them down too.
What a joke,you couldn’t make this up !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2022 12:52:43 GMT
What I don't understand is why would they get a deal done for bowns knowing it would get blocked by the IIHF as he's not UK based.
Or why have they brought him in just to mentor the young Brits surely they brought him in with a view to playing him in the playoffs.. I must be missing something
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2022 12:53:20 GMT
So both the EIHL and Panthers basically don’t know the rules or what they’re doing ! Pmsl 🤣🤣 And we assume both Owen and Bacisihua turned them down too. What a joke,you couldn’t make this up ! Exactly my thoughts.. the whole scenario sounds a mess |
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Post by Jord v4 on Apr 14, 2022 13:03:57 GMT
Very interesting Bowns is here at all, he really liked his time in Nottingham... I wonder...
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Post by blackandgold73 on Apr 14, 2022 13:15:55 GMT
What I don't understand is why would they get a deal done for bowns knowing it would get blocked by the IIHF as he's not UK based. Or why have they brought him in just to mentor the young Brits surely they brought him in with a view to playing him in the playoffs.. I must be missing something If you watch the video I linked to at the start it's pretty clear Panthers didn't expect the deal to get blocked. They bought him over to play, but now he can't he's training with the team to help them out in preparation. All that stuff you think you're missing is accessible via the link. Just occasionally reading the source first would lead to some posts not being necessary, much as a few posters enjoy the opportunity actual or otherwise to "PMSL" etc at anything that doesn't quite go right for the team or the league |
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Post by John Casey on Apr 14, 2022 13:23:58 GMT
If The Panthers made it to Play-Off Weekend, could we sign a N/M who's team got eliminated in The Quarter Finals.
Are would they be classed as Cup-Tied?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2022 13:26:29 GMT
What I don't understand is why would they get a deal done for bowns knowing it would get blocked by the IIHF as he's not UK based. Or why have they brought him in just to mentor the young Brits surely they brought him in with a view to playing him in the playoffs.. I must be missing something If you watch the video I linked to at the start it's pretty clear Panthers didn't expect the deal to get blocked. They bought him over to play, but now he can't he's training with the team to help them out in preparation. All that stuff you think you're missing is accessible via the link. Just occasionally reading the source first would lead to some posts not being necessary, much as a few posters enjoy the opportunity actual or otherwise to "PMSL" etc at anything that doesn't quite go right for the team or the league Well didn't they think to check with the IIHF before to clear it before making rhe call to bowns? P.s. I've watched the video |
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Post by Discoray on Apr 14, 2022 13:37:10 GMT
So both the EIHL and Panthers basically don’t know the rules or what they’re doing ! Pmsl 🤣🤣 And we assume both Owen and Bacisihua turned them down too. What a joke,you couldn’t make this up ! Reminds much of a previous DOH we had saying they missed out on signings because the players they spoke to didn't know Clan were based right outside Glasgow. So we "had" to change our name to Glasgow so they knew. I personally would have just told them either in the opening e-mail or conversation, but I'm a simple guy like that. |
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Post by iginla on Apr 14, 2022 13:42:07 GMT
So both the EIHL and Panthers basically don’t know the rules or what they’re doing ! Pmsl 🤣🤣 And we assume both Owen and Bacisihua turned them down too. What a joke,you couldn’t make this up ! Reminds much of a previous DOH we had saying they missed out on signings because the players they spoke to didn't know Clan were based right outside Glasgow. So we "had" to change our name to Glasgow so they knew. I personally would have just told them either in the opening e-mail or conversation, but I'm a simple guy like that. Or like the Steelers not mentioning to Barrasso the coaches job involved recruiting. 🤣 |
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Post by bobness on Apr 14, 2022 19:10:53 GMT
Very interesting Bowns is here at all, he really liked his time in Nottingham... I wonder... Isn't it? I'm still struggling that the league rule is rendered redundant by the IHF rule and that the EIHL apparently didn't realise, so neither did (one of) the clubs? That club then spent time and money on a new goalie only to find the road blocked. Cue the Benny Hill music... A big frustration of mine for a so called professional club is that we can't even get a goalie shirt with our new goalie's name on it for him. Not like they hadn't had a few days... |
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Post by Jord v4 on Apr 14, 2022 19:26:50 GMT
Very interesting Bowns is here at all, he really liked his time in Nottingham... I wonder... Isn't it? I'm still struggling that the league rule is rendered redundant by the IHF rule and that the EIHL apparently didn't realise, so neither did (one of) the clubs? That club then spent time and money on a new goalie only to find the road blocked. Cue the Benny Hill music... A big frustration of mine for a so called professional club is that we can't even get a goalie shirt with our new goalie's name on it for him. Not like they hadn't had a few days... The EIHL 'powers that be' are inept... They are actually a close second in the ineptness stakes to Panthers. Not a great combination there really... |
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Post by Discoray on Apr 14, 2022 19:33:09 GMT
The EIHL 'powers that be' are inept... They are actually a close second in the ineptness stakes to Panthers. I don't know, I'd still say the EIHL are first. We're still waiting on them for the outcome of those interviews for the EIHL's Commercial Director role. "Appointment imminent" nearly 7 years since the last word on it from Todd K after a board meeting. |
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Post by iginla on Apr 14, 2022 19:40:29 GMT
Very interesting Bowns is here at all, he really liked his time in Nottingham... I wonder... Isn't it? I'm still struggling that the league rule is rendered redundant by the IHF rule and that the EIHL apparently didn't realise, so neither did (one of) the clubs? That club then spent time and money on a new goalie only to find the road blocked. Cue the Benny Hill music... A big frustration of mine for a so called professional club is that we can't even get a goalie shirt with our new goalie's name on it for him. Not like they hadn't had a few days... You really couldn’t make it up could you. 🙄 How much were those POFW tickets again ? If your a Panthers fan they’re looking even more expensive by the day ! |
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Post by kievthegreat on Apr 14, 2022 20:09:54 GMT
The EIHL 'powers that be' are inept... They are actually a close second in the ineptness stakes to Panthers. I don't know, I'd still say the EIHL are first. We're still waiting on them for the outcome of those interviews for the EIHL's Commercial Director role. "Appointment imminent" nearly 7 years since the last word on it from Todd K after a board meeting. What do we think will come first? The Commercial Director or the London team? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2022 20:21:33 GMT
Isn't it? I'm still struggling that the league rule is rendered redundant by the IHF rule and that the EIHL apparently didn't realise, so neither did (one of) the clubs? That club then spent time and money on a new goalie only to find the road blocked. Cue the Benny Hill music... A big frustration of mine for a so called professional club is that we can't even get a goalie shirt with our new goalie's name on it for him. Not like they hadn't had a few days... The EIHL 'powers that be' are inept... They are actually a close second in the ineptness stakes to Panthers. Not a great combination there really... Inept but not surprised |
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Post by Yotes on Apr 14, 2022 20:31:14 GMT
I'm still struggling that the league rule is rendered redundant by the IHF rule and that the EIHL apparently didn't realise, so neither did (one of) the clubs? That club then spent time and money on a new goalie only to find the road blocked. Cue the Benny Hill music... Guildford seemed to know the rules, when they added Liam Hughes: Good luck to Downie and Kerlin, but this is ineptitude of the first water from Doucet. How can a DOH not know the rules? |
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Post by iginla on Apr 14, 2022 20:47:40 GMT
I'm still struggling that the league rule is rendered redundant by the IHF rule and that the EIHL apparently didn't realise, so neither did (one of) the clubs? That club then spent time and money on a new goalie only to find the road blocked. Cue the Benny Hill music... Guildford seemed to know the rules, when they added Liam Hughes: Good luck to Downie and Kerlin, but this is ineptitude of the first water from Doucet. How can a DOH not know the rules? Put the wrong and inexperienced people in important positions of power and this is what you get. What’s that saying....”fail to prepare then prepare to fail”. And they did,big time !! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2022 20:53:16 GMT
Guildford seemed to know the rules, when they added Liam Hughes: Good luck to Downie and Kerlin, but this is ineptitude of the first water from Doucet. How can a DOH not know the rules? Put the wrong and inexperienced people in important positions of power and this is what you get. What’s that saying....”fail to prepare then prepare to fail”. And they did,big time !! Exactly what I said when the news broke! The guys a clown. |
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Post by Bagheera on Apr 14, 2022 21:01:03 GMT
So in theory what would happen if the league stuck to it's rule and Panthers just played Bowns?
What would the consequences be? A fine? Some sort of Eurpoean competition ban?
I know it's not a great look and being renegades isn't going to portray us in the greatest light but since when did that stop the EIHL?
Not that im advocating it either.
Or perhaps would it be more of what they could prevent Bowns from doing?
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Post by Yotes on Apr 14, 2022 21:24:13 GMT
From the regs:
Probably not worth it for the Elite League playoffs.
We have actually used the Elite League rule, we signed a netminder using our spare trade after the deadline. There was nothing in the rule that said you'd be able to sign someone requiring an ITC transfer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2022 6:27:41 GMT
So in theory what would happen if the league stuck to it's rule and Panthers just played Bowns? What would the consequences be? A fine? Some sort of Eurpoean competition ban? I know it's not a great look and being renegades isn't going to portray us in the greatest light but since when did that stop the EIHL? Not that im advocating it either. Or perhaps would it be more of what they could prevent Bowns from doing? Very good point .. what could they do to the EIHL? Ban them from the champions league ? Dam 🤣 They couldn't just penalize bowns as it wasn't him who engineered the move. |
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