Jord v4
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Post by Jord v4 on Apr 8, 2022 9:23:43 GMT
Unfortunately there's plenty in the fanbase which believes every word which comes out Black's mouth.. nothing can be done about that I'm afraid. True Pidge, yes... But the more of the fanbase that erodes away the better.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2022 9:25:53 GMT
Spot on Jord. Six inch nail firmly hit with a sledgehammer ! Thank you my friend... But it's all so predictable this isn't it. We've seen it so many times. What have we said from day dot, the only way the fans/paying public can make change at Panthers is to vote with your feet. You have to hit them in the pocket for them to notice. Don't worry I have ... 2.5 years and counting.. unfortunately many fans moan and bitch but are the same ones come July who are first to nenew with recharged optimism!!
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 8, 2022 9:36:09 GMT
Must be desperate times there. Made me smile how easily he threw people under the bus and the equal budget thing and not being able to sign players was just laughable. Aimed fairly and squarely at the happy clapper audience at season ticket time which really is the audience that the Panthers are set up for like no other sporting team I have ever seen before.
Desperation but still aiming for the wrong customer base. Worrying
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 8, 2022 9:38:29 GMT
I'm not local to Nottingham and it's a huge pity that we here are not within commuting distance to Belfast. Perhaps the future is Orange. Who knows.
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Post by bobness on Apr 8, 2022 11:09:04 GMT
Indeed, it was a pretty uncontroversial interview, drowning in the usual promises.
Yes, Kerlin hasn't played, and it's not ideal, but why sign him just to ride the pine? Why hasn't he been playing? Why have 4 other teams in the league got effectively 2 "import" netminders now? Why did Guildford suddenly sign a college-experienced backup before the deadline, when Panthers thought not to? Why only seemingly now is anyone thinking "Maybe with Kerlin in we have to perhaps concentrate on D a bit more"? What if Panthers can't agree terms with Owen or one of Bacashihua/Morisson (who's injured already), as they appear to be the only 2 netminders that can be signed? Is signing an import netty from the NIHL a possibility? Why would the club put itself in this position? Did it ever talk about having a "1B" netminder (like Kozun at Cardiff, for example, who's been a great success)? So many questions...
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Post by spik on Apr 8, 2022 11:12:48 GMT
Unfortunately there's plenty in the fanbase which believes every word which comes out Black's mouth.. nothing can be done about that I'm afraid. That he’s reliant on and part of the problem. Otherwise a supporters trust may have asked a few questions - perhaps? Set questions, no reference to liaison with fans for the future, why would he want interference from those mugs. Sounding at first as if he wasn’t sure what to say. His answers would be like this for a businessman. But I’m happily accepting of comments that we’d NEVER usually hear like, ‘ it’s not a one off , it’s been several seasons , we should be competing’ or something like that which he said. Good..,YET, is this just the comforting part that will be forgotten? Will it HAVE to be the ‘MUST do something now or the fans will be lost’? If on same budget as other teams, it’s accepting poor performance on and OFF the ice. Injuries have NOT just been the problem I’m afraid. 22-23 well let’s see. That’s all I can say. Typically though, if that goes well, the question WILL be, ‘why now as we’ve asked for this for many years’. But let’s get that far please and be the ‘competing’ team we stress we should be.Or as said by someone else the ‘Winning’ not ‘competing team. Easy lessons to learn but have not been. ‘. Foot to the pedal ‘ includes the fans. Include them.
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Post by bobness on Apr 8, 2022 11:26:32 GMT
The thing about the signing limit is interesting, because he's right. You were allowed to sign a max of 28 for the season, but had to save 1 as the NM spare. Our 27 so far: Imports (18) Carr, Norrish, Brassard, Matheson, Thow, Massy, Welsh, Domingue, Lane, Carozza, Tousignant, Boivin, Baillargeon, Richards, Hedberg, Doherty, Suoranta, Jokinen. Brits (9) Kerlin, Lee, Tetlow, Myers, Betteridge, Kelsall, Sheldon, Clarke-Pizzo, Hopkins But the other day we also played Dan Green, so that's the full 28, surely? Are we going to cheat if we now sign a netminder for the playoffs? Steelers have iced 30 players over the season so I wouldn't worry too much. It's laughably woolly, isn't it? If the Steelers have got around it by saying that their last 2 are "on loan" from Innsbruck, that just makes a mockery of the whole attempt to be prescriptive. The EIHL document doesn't mention loan players, or whether back ups who don't ice in a game count to the 28, for example. It's not like either of those scenarios is unusual in hockey? And the document is silent on the "What if your netminder is injured after the deadline" rules that have come out this week (save that teams have to keep a change open for that). Heck, it doesn't even mention the deadline, does it? Again, not an unusual occurrence. Woeful.
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Post by wgray on Apr 8, 2022 12:18:42 GMT
Steelers have iced 30 players over the season so I wouldn't worry too much. It's laughably woolly, isn't it? If the Steelers have got around it by saying that their last 2 are "on loan" from Innsbruck, that just makes a mockery of the whole attempt to be prescriptive. The EIHL document doesn't mention loan players, or whether back ups who don't ice in a game count to the 28, for example. It's not like either of those scenarios is unusual in hockey? And the document is silent on the "What if your netminder is injured after the deadline" rules that have come out this week (save that teams have to keep a change open for that). Heck, it doesn't even mention the deadline, does it? Again, not an unusual occurrence. Woeful. It’s open to manipulation, so why don’t we just do the same?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 8, 2022 12:23:33 GMT
It's laughably woolly, isn't it? If the Steelers have got around it by saying that their last 2 are "on loan" from Innsbruck, that just makes a mockery of the whole attempt to be prescriptive. The EIHL document doesn't mention loan players, or whether back ups who don't ice in a game count to the 28, for example. It's not like either of those scenarios is unusual in hockey? And the document is silent on the "What if your netminder is injured after the deadline" rules that have come out this week (save that teams have to keep a change open for that). Heck, it doesn't even mention the deadline, does it? Again, not an unusual occurrence. Woeful. It’s open to manipulation, so why don’t we just do the same? It would cost money
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Post by iginla on Apr 8, 2022 12:56:13 GMT
It’s open to manipulation, so why don’t we just do the same? It would cost money Indeed And pretending you can’t sign one then borrowing one who’s already in the UK would be much cheaper. If I was Owen or Bacasihua I’d be saying yes I’ll come to you for the play offs but I want £2k a week ! 🤣🤣
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 8, 2022 13:49:23 GMT
Indeed And pretending you can’t sign one then borrowing one who’s already in the UK would be much cheaper. If I was Owen or Bacasihua I’d be saying yes I’ll come to you for the play offs but I want £2k a week ! 🤣🤣 I still don’t understand how they let Jackson Whistle go apart from Kerlin is dirt cheap of course
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Post by meadow on Apr 8, 2022 13:49:56 GMT
I wonder who will volunteer themselves up to be part of the great summer turn around, when this club has essentially set up both TW and GD for failure this year?*
Is anyone outside of the happiest of clappers swallowing NB's line that the budget is similar to that of Sheffield and Belfast - even Simms said in a tweet on Monday words to the effect of 'imagine thinking this was your DoHs fault'.
NB said a lot of 'oh its been bad luck this season' in that interview - I only accept its bad luck if you do everything you can to mitigate against it and thats hardly the case here. I've said it before, this isn't 2007 EIHL, if you want to be competitive with the top teams you need two goalies who can play rather than playing one to death. We penny pinched in that area and are now reaping what we sowed.
(* Rhetoical question - we know it'll be someone inexperienced or massively disappointing)
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Post by meadow on Apr 8, 2022 13:52:53 GMT
Indeed And pretending you can’t sign one then borrowing one who’s already in the UK would be much cheaper. If I was Owen or Bacasihua I’d be saying yes I’ll come to you for the play offs but I want £2k a week ! 🤣🤣 I still don’t understand how they let Jackson Whistle go apart from Kerlin is dirt cheap of course
I think to some extent this was unavoidable as Whistle wanted to go back to Belfast - thats where his partner is from
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Post by Yotes on Apr 8, 2022 14:08:09 GMT
Easy lessons to learn but have not been. Yes, he said that like it's something we should be pleased about, rather than wondering why it's taken til now to do it. Bit of Freudian phrasing here from old Blacky. Can see what he was aiming at in an Elite League website kinda way (pedal to the metal, foot to the floor), but he's basically saying we've been freewheeling, which we have.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 8, 2022 14:24:51 GMT
It’s open to manipulation, so why don’t we just do the same? It would cost money And you'd need Doucet to know someone who he could do such a deal with.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 8, 2022 14:56:09 GMT
I still don’t understand how they let Jackson Whistle go apart from Kerlin is dirt cheap of course I think to some extent this was unavoidable as Whistle wanted to go back to Belfast - thats where his partner is from
We still should have replaced him like for like instead of going back 5+ years to a cheap backup
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2022 15:50:24 GMT
And you'd need Doucet to know someone who he could do such a deal with. And let's be honest Doucets contacts are non existent/crap!
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Post by wgray on Apr 8, 2022 15:54:11 GMT
That's the asterisk should the worst happen then. Out of interest Jono Bullard , how have they got away with that? The regs were quite clear. Same old Steelers, always cheating? I guess they'll be some loophole and I haven't checked any of the other teams, so there may be others. It's all on the EIHL website though on the teams player stats page. As much as I’d love to catch Sheffield out I think they’ve managed to stick to the rules, this is due to their IR situation with Todd and Connolly still being on it. As follows: 1.Brust 2.Stojanovic 3.Warburton 4.Churchfield 5.Ellerby 6.Jones 7.Danielsen 8.Todd IR Boruta 9.Schulze 10.D.Phillips 11.Armstrong 12.Dowd 13.Eberle 14.Hodgman 15.Latal 16.Mosey 17.J.Phillips 18.Vallerand 19.Oleksuk 20.Connolly IR Feldner 21.Deluca 22.Sointu 23.Travera (was IR for Danielsen, now permanent) 24.Polak (was IR for Vallerand, now permanent) 25.Valdix (was IR for Vallerand, was permanent) 26.Shudra 2way 27.Graham 2way 28.Whistle 2way They’ve stuck to the maximum and even if they’re loaning two players they can be used as IR cover for Todd and Connolly. So, unfortunately, it looks like they’ve stuck to the rules.
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Post by bobness on Apr 8, 2022 16:05:10 GMT
I guess they'll be some loophole and I haven't checked any of the other teams, so there may be others. It's all on the EIHL website though on the teams player stats page. As much as I’d love to catch Sheffield out I think they’ve managed to stick to the rules, this is due to their IR situation with Todd and Connolly still being on it. As follows: 1.Brust 2.Stojanovic 3.Warburton 4.Churchfield 5.Ellerby 6.Jones 7.Danielsen 8.Todd IR Boruta 9.Schulze 10.D.Phillips 11.Armstrong 12.Dowd 13.Eberle 14.Hodgman 15.Latal 16.Mosey 17.J.Phillips 18.Vallerand 19.Oleksuk 20.Connolly IR Feldner 21.Deluca 22.Sointu 23.Travera (was IR for Danielsen, now permanent) 24.Polak (was IR for Vallerand, now permanent) 25.Valdix (was IR for Vallerand, was permanent) 26.Shudra 2way 27.Graham 2way 28.Whistle 2way They’ve stuck to the maximum and even if they’re loaning two players they can be used as IR cover for Todd and Connolly. So, unfortunately, it looks like they’ve stuck to the rules. Excellent work. if only the league would tell us stuff like this. After all, they made the blinking rules in the first place? However, looking at the website regs, this jumps out... "After the 21-day injury reserve period has finished, the replacement player is only eligible to continue playing if the team registers them using one of their official changes." So IR cover can't be indefinite? (Richards for example, must now be a permanent player for Panthers?)
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Apr 8, 2022 16:59:05 GMT
The thing about the signing limit is interesting, because he's right. You were allowed to sign a max of 28 for the season, but had to save 1 as the NM spare. Our 27 so far: Imports (18) Carr, Norrish, Brassard, Matheson, Thow, Massy, Welsh, Domingue, Lane, Carozza, Tousignant, Boivin, Baillargeon, Richards, Hedberg, Doherty, Suoranta, Jokinen. Brits (9) Kerlin, Lee, Tetlow, Myers, Betteridge, Kelsall, Sheldon, Clarke-Pizzo, Hopkins But the other day we also played Dan Green, so that's the full 28, surely? Are we going to cheat if we now sign a netminder for the playoffs? And somehow Giants can put a potentially title winning squad together for the same budget apparently with less signings, and their last signing Patrick Mullen hasn't even iced for them yet a month after signing... And won't be www.belfastgiants.com/news/statement-on-patrick-mullen
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Post by meadow on Apr 8, 2022 18:46:04 GMT
I think to some extent this was unavoidable as Whistle wanted to go back to Belfast - thats where his partner is from
We still should have replaced him like for like instead of going back 5+ years to a cheap backup
Agreed
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Post by langer on Apr 8, 2022 19:51:16 GMT
NHL clubs having taxi squads was a problem ? Any of that calibre were on call to step up to the big club if needed, they certainly weren't near dropping down to EIHL standard, who's he trying to kid.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Apr 10, 2022 7:30:18 GMT
If Kerlin continues to win league games will that only discourage Panthers from seeking an alternative nm from Fife or Manchester,if indeed that was ever the plan,or are they hopeful of Carr being available soon. NB's interview made it sound like he was done for the season
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Post by iginla on Apr 10, 2022 8:11:48 GMT
If Kerlin continues to win league games will that only discourage Panthers from seeking an alternative nm from Fife or Manchester,if indeed that was ever the plan,or are they hopeful of Carr being available soon. NB's interview made it sound like he was done for the season That will obviously depend on how much money Owen or Bacasihua demand to sign a short term deal bearing in mind they could hold Panthers to ransom if they’re the only two goalie options. Hope they do. It certainly did sound like Carr was done.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Apr 10, 2022 10:04:07 GMT
If Kerlin continues to win league games will that only discourage Panthers from seeking an alternative nm from Fife or Manchester,if indeed that was ever the plan,or are they hopeful of Carr being available soon. NB's interview made it sound like he was done for the season That will obviously depend on how much money Owen or Bacasihua demand to sign a short term deal bearing in mind they could hold Panthers to ransom if they’re the only two goalie options. Hope they do. It certainly did sound like Carr was done. I hope both goalies take a pragmatic approach. 1. Neither have exactly been stars this year. Owen has shown quality in the recent past but Bacasihua hasn't really impressed. 2. In Owen's case it could be a chance to push for a job next season. I doubt Bacasihua, at 39, will be retained so this could be chance to make a bit of extra cash, but is he much better than Kerlin ? Having one experienced goalie on the bench would be good, and I don't mean Green !
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