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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2022 22:37:45 GMT
I just had and indeed it was ... Wow a collapse in true panthers style 😂😂😂😂 I checked the scoresheet too and see Tetlow was on the ice again for the first three goals in a row ! 🙄 I guess it's game managemen hey mate. Some will say we only had a Brit goalie between the pipes but they clearly didn't protect him very well hey .
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Post by iginla on Apr 2, 2022 22:54:16 GMT
Wasn't he on for the first 4 in a row? Did he refuse to sign your programme once or something? Hey your right Yotes he was on the ice for the first four goals, crikey that’s even worse,well spotted. No he didn’t refuse to sign my programme,I just notice these things and in Tetlows case I don’t rate him at all. This stuff happens too often.
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Post by nightwish on Apr 3, 2022 7:52:21 GMT
Appreciate that there were 4 goals in the 3rd period , but how did Kerlin do overall - did he give good account of himself ?
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Post by nightwish on Apr 3, 2022 7:57:36 GMT
An 8000 plus crowd awaits apparently. Bet Blacky’s getting well jealous of the Steelers success. Maybe Black should look at the reasons why - Steelers are working hard to put a successful product out on the ice, Black wants Panthers fans to accept an inferior product- I think a lot of fans are just not accepting such a product now.
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Post by nightwish on Apr 3, 2022 7:57:46 GMT
An 8000 plus crowd awaits apparently. Bet Blacky’s getting well jealous of the Steelers success. Maybe Black should look at the reasons why - Steelers are working hard to put a successful product out on the ice, Black wants Panthers fans to accept an inferior product- I think a lot of fans are just not accepting such a product now.
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Post by bobness on Apr 3, 2022 8:33:24 GMT
Wasn't he on for the first 4 in a row? Did he refuse to sign your programme once or something? Hey your right Yotes he was on the ice for the first four goals, crikey that’s even worse,well spotted. No he didn’t refuse to sign my programme,I just notice these things and in Tetlows case I don’t rate him at all. This stuff happens too often. In his defence, the second was a PPG. As I've said before, there have been plenty of examples of D men being on ice for 3 or more consecutive goals against this season. As there are most seasons, mostly because of pure numbers. You generally have 6 D, 2 are generally on the ice for each goal conceded. So even if it was totally random, it would happen once every 13.5 runs of 3 goals. (Each D man has 1 in 27 chance (1/3 x 3) of randomly being in the pair that is on-ice for all 3 goals, and there are are 2 slots available? Is that right? Any maths teachers about? (It's a long time since I did GCSE probability...)) Tets is mostly paired with Thow lately, and, to be fair, these 2 together are getting scored on a lot. -21 between them according to the EIHL stats. Norrish is -11 too. Brassard, Matheson and Massy, conversely, are +24 between them. So, the D's stats are very lopsided, which is something management should notice? Tets and Thow are both lefties, which maybe doesn't help either? 12/20 and 13/72 are both odd pairs. When you say "This stuff", what do you mean?
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Post by iginla on Apr 3, 2022 8:58:20 GMT
Hey your right Yotes he was on the ice for the first four goals, crikey that’s even worse,well spotted. No he didn’t refuse to sign my programme,I just notice these things and in Tetlows case I don’t rate him at all. This stuff happens too often. In his defence, the second was a PPG. As I've said before, there have been plenty of examples of D men being on ice for 3 or more consecutive goals against this season. As there are most seasons, mostly because of pure numbers. You generally have 6 D, 2 are generally on the ice for each goal conceded. So even if it was totally random, it would happen once every 13.5 runs of 3 goals. (Each D man has 1 in 27 chance (1/3 x 3) of randomly being in the pair that is on-ice for all 3 goals, and there are are 2 slots available? Is that right? Any maths teachers about? (It's a long time since I did GCSE probability...)) Tets is mostly paired with Thow lately, and, to be fair, these 2 together are getting scored on a lot. -21 between them according to the EIHL stats. Norrish is -11 too. Brassard, Matheson and Massy, conversely, are +24 between them. So, the D's stats are very lopsided, which is something management should notice? Tets and Thow are both lefties, which maybe doesn't help either? 12/20 and 13/72 are both odd pairs. When you say "This stuff", what do you mean? That’s what I mean it shows to me that at least one D pairing is very very poor. If I’m noticing it then management should be too and it’s highly likely any opposition coach worth his salt will do also and target that pairing. How many minutes are they playing too comes into it because I’d guess Tetlow and Thow aren’t playing as many minutes as the other Dmen thus making their goals against stats even worse. Be interesting to see each players ice minutes per goal against. I know you like a challenge Bob. 😊
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Post by jd on Apr 3, 2022 10:37:40 GMT
Not sure losing Massey to a sucker punch helped us
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Apr 3, 2022 11:11:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2022 12:43:19 GMT
An 8000 plus crowd awaits apparently. Bet Blacky’s getting well jealous of the Steelers success. Maybe Black should look at the reasons why - Steelers are working hard to put a successful product out on the ice, Black wants Panthers fans to accept an inferior product- I think a lot of fans are just not accepting such a product now. Finally hey
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Post by bobness on Apr 3, 2022 13:08:23 GMT
In his defence, the second was a PPG. As I've said before, there have been plenty of examples of D men being on ice for 3 or more consecutive goals against this season. As there are most seasons, mostly because of pure numbers. You generally have 6 D, 2 are generally on the ice for each goal conceded. So even if it was totally random, it would happen once every 13.5 runs of 3 goals. (Each D man has 1 in 27 chance (1/3 x 3) of randomly being in the pair that is on-ice for all 3 goals, and there are are 2 slots available? Is that right? Any maths teachers about? (It's a long time since I did GCSE probability...)) Tets is mostly paired with Thow lately, and, to be fair, these 2 together are getting scored on a lot. -21 between them according to the EIHL stats. Norrish is -11 too. Brassard, Matheson and Massy, conversely, are +24 between them. So, the D's stats are very lopsided, which is something management should notice? Tets and Thow are both lefties, which maybe doesn't help either? 12/20 and 13/72 are both odd pairs. When you say "This stuff", what do you mean? That’s what I mean it shows to me that at least one D pairing is very very poor. If I’m noticing it then management should be too and it’s highly likely any opposition coach worth his salt will do also and target that pairing. How many minutes are they playing too comes into it because I’d guess Tetlow and Thow aren’t playing as many minutes as the other Dmen thus making their goals against stats even worse. Be interesting to see each players ice minutes per goal against. I know you like a challenge Bob. 😊 If you can get me the ice time stats for all players, I’m your man. 👍
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Post by bobness on Apr 3, 2022 14:18:03 GMT
This stuff happens too often. When did it last happen?
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Post by iginla on Apr 3, 2022 15:18:38 GMT
This stuff happens too often. When did it last happen? I don’t know I don’t check every game but it’s not very long ago since exactly the same thing happened and I commented on it. Could well have been one of the recent Steelers games.
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Post by bobness on Apr 3, 2022 16:21:59 GMT
I don’t know I don’t check every game but it’s not very long ago since exactly the same thing happened and I commented on it. Could well have been one of the recent Steelers games. Ah, I thought you were going to go back a season or two. Just for you, here's the cumulative +/- by player, by opponent this season. Some interesting numbers. (Well, I think so, anyway) Attachments:
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Post by bobness on Apr 3, 2022 16:30:38 GMT
Discounting PPG, there are 13 instances this season of an individual Panther being on-ice for 4 or more consecutive opposition goals (sometimes over >1 game). Only one of those belongs to Tetlow.
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Post by iginla on Apr 3, 2022 16:45:37 GMT
I don’t know I don’t check every game but it’s not very long ago since exactly the same thing happened and I commented on it. Could well have been one of the recent Steelers games. Ah, I thought you were going to go back a season or two. Just for you, here's the cumulative +/- by player, by opponent this season. Some interesting numbers. (Well, I think so, anyway) Good stats them. Pretty much show what I’ve been saying,that Tetlow and Thow are crap ! And I didn’t have the benefit of those stats to look at, just my own casual observations.
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Post by bobness on Apr 3, 2022 18:14:52 GMT
Ah, I thought you were going to go back a season or two. Just for you, here's the cumulative +/- by player, by opponent this season. Some interesting numbers. (Well, I think so, anyway) Good stats them. Pretty much show what I’ve been saying,that Tetlow and Thow are crap ! And I didn’t have the benefit of those stats to look at, just my own casual observations. Not sure that's exactly what they say, but you go right ahead. I suspect they are poor together, not necessarily if paired with another. Not much worse than Tousignant, Norrish and Myers, and you & Pidge love Tousignant and Myers... Myers has had a season of 2 halves, stat wise. Good points (esp on the PP) but poor +/- for a "defensively responsible" player. Kelsall seems uncriticisable, rarely features on here good or bad, but he's having a tough season. Scored on more times than Joey's sister. Boivin's done well to be even vs the Giants. And Ollie +8 vs Devils, but -2 vs Flames?!?
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