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Post by messier1851 on Apr 11, 2022 18:26:00 GMT
While I very much doubt we have spent as much as other teams, I wouldn't be surprised if we had some bigger earners who have not come close to living up to their price tags.
Simon Suoranta had a long career in the Finnish top flight. Taylor Doherty had AHL games to his name, albeit a few years ago. Matt Lane came with decent ECHL numbers, I would've expected a better points return from him this season.
For me it's a combination of poor recruitment again and doing things on the cheap. I said this earlier in the season, if the door was open for Perlini and he then opted to move on, where did that money go? Scott Conway wasn't exactly an unknown, were we ever in the race for him? Could we go and get a Luke Ferrara? Apparently not.
Last EIHL season we got away with it by bringing in quality replacements like Julian Talbot and Jake Hansen, but this time around for whatever reason we just couldn't get those deals done.
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Post by iginla on Apr 11, 2022 19:35:11 GMT
While I very much doubt we have spent as much as other teams, I wouldn't be surprised if we had some bigger earners who have not come close to living up to their price tags. Simon Suoranta had a long career in the Finnish top flight. Taylor Doherty had AHL games to his name, albeit a few years ago. Matt Lane came with decent ECHL numbers, I would've expected a better points return from him this season. For me it's a combination of poor recruitment again and doing things on the cheap. I said this earlier in the season, if the door was open for Perlini and he then opted to move on, where did that money go? Scott Conway wasn't exactly an unknown, were we ever in the race for him? Could we go and get a Luke Ferrara? Apparently not. Last EIHL season we got away with it by bringing in quality replacements like Julian Talbot and Jake Hansen, but this time around for whatever reason we just couldn't get those deals done. Very true Mike. The only one I’d say might have been fairly expensive would be Welsh but they’ll have got him cheaper though with the Uni deal. And it’s not just Perlini that wasn’t replaced,they never even replaced Clarkey ! Look at the Brit packs of Giants and Steelers compared to Panthers,it’s like night and day. Steve Lee is a crock,Betteridge apparently has a bad injury, Myers is coming to an end,Kelsall isn’t good enough, neither it seems is Kerlin and then there’s Tetlow. My question to Neil Black would be....”how are you going to get the pedal to the floor and really challenge without attracting some top end Brits” because without them you aren’t going to !
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 11, 2022 19:52:20 GMT
While I very much doubt we have spent as much as other teams, I wouldn't be surprised if we had some bigger earners who have not come close to living up to their price tags. Simon Suoranta had a long career in the Finnish top flight. Taylor Doherty had AHL games to his name, albeit a few years ago. Matt Lane came with decent ECHL numbers, I would've expected a better points return from him this season. For me it's a combination of poor recruitment again and doing things on the cheap. I said this earlier in the season, if the door was open for Perlini and he then opted to move on, where did that money go? Scott Conway wasn't exactly an unknown, were we ever in the race for him? Could we go and get a Luke Ferrara? Apparently not. Last EIHL season we got away with it by bringing in quality replacements like Julian Talbot and Jake Hansen, but this time around for whatever reason we just couldn't get those deals done. Very true Mike. The only one I’d say might have been fairly expensive would be Welsh but they’ll have got him cheaper though with the Uni deal. And it’s not just Perlini that wasn’t replaced,they never even replaced Clarkey ! Look at the Brit packs of Giants and Steelers compared to Panthers,it’s like night and day. Steve Lee is a crock,Betteridge apparently has a bad injury, Myers is coming to an end,Kelsall isn’t good enough, neither it seems is Kerlin and then there’s Tetlow. My question to Neil Black would be....”how are you going to get the pedal to the floor and really challenge without attracting some top end Brits” because without them you aren’t going to ! We will get the same Brits back and no money will be spent
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2022 20:22:30 GMT
Very true Mike. The only one I’d say might have been fairly expensive would be Welsh but they’ll have got him cheaper though with the Uni deal. And it’s not just Perlini that wasn’t replaced,they never even replaced Clarkey ! Look at the Brit packs of Giants and Steelers compared to Panthers,it’s like night and day. Steve Lee is a crock,Betteridge apparently has a bad injury, Myers is coming to an end,Kelsall isn’t good enough, neither it seems is Kerlin and then there’s Tetlow. My question to Neil Black would be....”how are you going to get the pedal to the floor and really challenge without attracting some top end Brits” because without them you aren’t going to ! We will get the same Brits back and no money will be spent Guaranteed.. tbh if you were an established Brit would you be attracted to a move to Panthers?
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Post by iginla on Apr 11, 2022 20:35:51 GMT
We will get the same Brits back and no money will be spent Guaranteed.. tbh if you were an established Brit would you be attracted to a move to Panthers? No and that’s a big problem,the Panthers reputation precedes them.
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Post by wgray on Apr 11, 2022 21:18:51 GMT
Guaranteed.. tbh if you were an established Brit would you be attracted to a move to Panthers? No and that’s a big problem,the Panthers reputation precedes them. The off season is going to be one of the most critical in our history. It’s going to be so important for Black to get the right people in to manage the club, we need people who will lead the Panthers back in the right direction. Everything else will follow from this
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2022 21:35:43 GMT
No and that’s a big problem,the Panthers reputation precedes them. The off season is going to be one of the most critical in our history. It’s going to be so important for Black to get the right people in to manage the club, we need people who will lead the Panthers back in the right direction. Everything else will follow from this Oh without a doubt.. it will be scrutinised like no other this summer because if nothing appears to change then it's confirmation NB is running the club into the ground and that he cares very little for the club and it's supporters
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Apr 12, 2022 11:49:20 GMT
While I very much doubt we have spent as much as other teams, I wouldn't be surprised if we had some bigger earners who have not come close to living up to their price tags. Simon Suoranta had a long career in the Finnish top flight. Taylor Doherty had AHL games to his name, albeit a few years ago. Matt Lane came with decent ECHL numbers, I would've expected a better points return from him this season. For me it's a combination of poor recruitment again and doing things on the cheap. I said this earlier in the season, if the door was open for Perlini and he then opted to move on, where did that money go? Scott Conway wasn't exactly an unknown, were we ever in the race for him? Could we go and get a Luke Ferrara? Apparently not. Last EIHL season we got away with it by bringing in quality replacements like Julian Talbot and Jake Hansen, but this time around for whatever reason we just couldn't get those deals done. Very true Mike. The only one I’d say might have been fairly expensive would be Welsh but they’ll have got him cheaper though with the Uni deal. And it’s not just Perlini that wasn’t replaced,they never even replaced Clarkey ! Look at the Brit packs of Giants and Steelers compared to Panthers,it’s like night and day. Steve Lee is a crock,Betteridge apparently has a bad injury, Myers is coming to an end,Kelsall isn’t good enough, neither it seems is Kerlin and then there’s Tetlow. My question to Neil Black would be....”how are you going to get the pedal to the floor and really challenge without attracting some top end Brits” because without them you aren’t going to ! Think you've been a bit harsh on our Brits - Ollie has gone from 4th liner to key Brit in the space of two seasons. Tetlow, while not the finished item by any means, has gone from liability to GB starter and if he can improve his skating will get even better. Kelsall has come on leaps and bounds this season and is worth his place in the team. Myers - yes at times he looks his age, but if Phillips (39), Richardson(35) are still playing and performing for their teams and GB, then why shouldn't he. Kerlin - won't improve unless he gets the ice time, won't get the ice time til he improves. He might need to spend a season in the NIHL to see if he can sort out the problems he's been having. Lee - if we get any more ice time out of him I'd be surprised.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 12, 2022 12:35:03 GMT
My question to Neil Black would be....”how are you going to get the pedal to the floor..." "Foot to the pedal", you mean. Feathering it along like an old Vauxhall Nova stuck in traffic.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 12, 2022 13:52:17 GMT
Very true Mike. The only one I’d say might have been fairly expensive would be Welsh but they’ll have got him cheaper though with the Uni deal. And it’s not just Perlini that wasn’t replaced,they never even replaced Clarkey ! Look at the Brit packs of Giants and Steelers compared to Panthers,it’s like night and day. Steve Lee is a crock,Betteridge apparently has a bad injury, Myers is coming to an end,Kelsall isn’t good enough, neither it seems is Kerlin and then there’s Tetlow. My question to Neil Black would be....”how are you going to get the pedal to the floor and really challenge without attracting some top end Brits” because without them you aren’t going to ! Think you've been a bit harsh on our Brits - Ollie has gone from 4th liner to key Brit in the space of two seasons. Tetlow, while not the finished item by any means, has gone from liability to GB starter and if he can improve his skating will get even better. Kelsall has come on leaps and bounds this season and is worth his place in the team. Myers - yes at times he looks his age, but if Phillips (39), Richardson(35) are still playing and performing for their teams and GB, then why shouldn't he. Kerlin - won't improve unless he gets the ice time, won't get the ice time til he improves. He might need to spend a season in the NIHL to see if he can sort out the problems he's been having. Lee - if we get any more ice time out of him I'd be surprised. Kerlin would get better with ice time but an arena team with ambition isn’t the place for that. Kelsall has been around for years now and he’s a cheap Brit. Tetlow is sometimes a bit of a worry but his pass can be good. Not a very good skater unfortunately.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Apr 12, 2022 15:27:42 GMT
Think you've been a bit harsh on our Brits - Ollie has gone from 4th liner to key Brit in the space of two seasons. Tetlow, while not the finished item by any means, has gone from liability to GB starter and if he can improve his skating will get even better. Kelsall has come on leaps and bounds this season and is worth his place in the team. Myers - yes at times he looks his age, but if Phillips (39), Richardson(35) are still playing and performing for their teams and GB, then why shouldn't he. Kerlin - won't improve unless he gets the ice time, won't get the ice time til he improves. He might need to spend a season in the NIHL to see if he can sort out the problems he's been having. Lee - if we get any more ice time out of him I'd be surprised. Kerlin would get better with ice time but an arena team with ambition isn’t the place for that. Kelsall has been around for years now and he’s a cheap Brit. Tetlow is sometimes a bit of a worry but his pass can be good. Not a very good skater unfortunately. Kelsall is only 22 he's been with us since 2017-18, and became a major part of the squad in 2019-20. There have been plenty of cheap Brits who have improved after a few years in the league, (Ferrara, Lake, Phillips, Phillips, Davies) and with his progress this season I don't see why he can't do the same. But that's just my opinion.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 12, 2022 15:57:45 GMT
Kerlin would get better with ice time but an arena team with ambition isn’t the place for that. Kelsall has been around for years now and he’s a cheap Brit. Tetlow is sometimes a bit of a worry but his pass can be good. Not a very good skater unfortunately. Kelsall is only 22 he's been with us since 2017-18, and became a major part of the squad in 2019-20. There have been plenty of cheap Brits who have improved after a few years in the league, (Ferrara, Lake, Phillips, Phillips, Davies) and with his progress this season I don't see why he can't do the same. But that's just my opinion. I hope he does (obviously) but I’m not convinced that he’s developed anywhere near as quickly as those did.
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Post by bobness on Apr 12, 2022 16:36:04 GMT
Kelsall is only 22 he's been with us since 2017-18, and became a major part of the squad in 2019-20. There have been plenty of cheap Brits who have improved after a few years in the league, (Ferrara, Lake, Phillips, Phillips, Davies) and with his progress this season I don't see why he can't do the same. But that's just my opinion. I hope he does (obviously) but I’m not convinced that he’s developed anywhere near as quickly as those did. He needs, for me, to put some bulk on, if possible. He's near the bottom of the +/- on limited ice time, but he's scored some nice goals though, so he has it in him. Maybe he's another where a first line job in the NIHL would do him the world of good?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 12, 2022 16:45:53 GMT
I hope he does (obviously) but I’m not convinced that he’s developed anywhere near as quickly as those did. He needs, for me, to put some bulk on, if possible. He's near the bottom of the +/- on limited ice time, but he's scored some nice goals though, so he has it in him. Maybe he's another where a first line job in the NIHL would do him the world of good? I think so especially if he puts on some size
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Post by Bagheera on Apr 12, 2022 17:14:07 GMT
To be honest I dont think Iggy is to wide of the mark. Our Brit pack is woefully lacking compared to the other contenders. Ollie is our best Brit and I think he is great but he is a step back from the top, top British forwards for me. There are probably 9 or 10 you'd sign for your top 2 lines before him. Kelsall wouldn't make the rosters of Cardiff, Sheffield or Belfast. He has come on and is an asset to throw out on the 4th line but thats it. Keep him in a 22 man squad yes but shouldn't make a 19 at a big club. Tetlow is much improved and decent, yet again though for a top club he probably shouldn't make the top 6 D. Id argue there are again 8-10 better out there(If all are fit im not sure he makes match day roster for GB). One of them a young man who went to Manchester as he wasn't getting a shot here. Kerlin I feel for, an EIHL back up for sure but he looks to be struggling at this level when asked to play full games regularly. The club have done the dirty on him though.
We simply need a top 6 forward and a potential top 4 Dman. Not sure any top end Brits want to come to Nottingham though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2022 17:30:24 GMT
To be honest I dont think Iggy is to wide of the mark. Our Brit pack is woefully lacking compared to the other contenders. Ollie is our best Brit and I think he is great but he is a step back from the top, top British forwards for me. There are probably 9 or 10 you'd sign for your top 2 lines before him. Kelsall wouldn't make the rosters of Cardiff, Sheffield or Belfast. He has come on and is an asset to throw out on the 4th line but thats it. Keep him in a 22 man squad yes but shouldn't make a 19 at a big club. Tetlow is much improved and decent, yet again though for a top club he probably shouldn't make the top 6 D. Id argue there are again 8-10 better out there(If all are fit im not sure he makes match day roster for GB). One of them a young man who went to Manchester as he wasn't getting a shot here. Kerlin I feel for, an EIHL back up for sure but he looks to be struggling at this level when asked to play full games regularly. The club have done the dirty on him though. We simply need a top 6 forward and a potential top 4 Dman. Not sure any top end Brits want to come to Nottingham though. No they don't they probably will have been told by Perlini what a dumpster fire the org is and will keep well clear
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Post by iginla on Apr 12, 2022 17:46:44 GMT
To be honest I dont think Iggy is to wide of the mark. Our Brit pack is woefully lacking compared to the other contenders. Ollie is our best Brit and I think he is great but he is a step back from the top, top British forwards for me. There are probably 9 or 10 you'd sign for your top 2 lines before him. Kelsall wouldn't make the rosters of Cardiff, Sheffield or Belfast. He has come on and is an asset to throw out on the 4th line but thats it. Keep him in a 22 man squad yes but shouldn't make a 19 at a big club. Tetlow is much improved and decent, yet again though for a top club he probably shouldn't make the top 6 D. Id argue there are again 8-10 better out there(If all are fit im not sure he makes match day roster for GB). One of them a young man who went to Manchester as he wasn't getting a shot here. Kerlin I feel for, an EIHL back up for sure but he looks to be struggling at this level when asked to play full games regularly. The club have done the dirty on him though. We simply need a top 6 forward and a potential top 4 Dman. Not sure any top end Brits want to come to Nottingham though. Spot on,that’s just how I see it. Realistically which top ten Brits might come to Nottingham next year ? I cannot see a single one.
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Post by wgray on Apr 12, 2022 18:47:13 GMT
To be honest I dont think Iggy is to wide of the mark. Our Brit pack is woefully lacking compared to the other contenders. Ollie is our best Brit and I think he is great but he is a step back from the top, top British forwards for me. There are probably 9 or 10 you'd sign for your top 2 lines before him. Kelsall wouldn't make the rosters of Cardiff, Sheffield or Belfast. He has come on and is an asset to throw out on the 4th line but thats it. Keep him in a 22 man squad yes but shouldn't make a 19 at a big club. Tetlow is much improved and decent, yet again though for a top club he probably shouldn't make the top 6 D. Id argue there are again 8-10 better out there(If all are fit im not sure he makes match day roster for GB). One of them a young man who went to Manchester as he wasn't getting a shot here. Kerlin I feel for, an EIHL back up for sure but he looks to be struggling at this level when asked to play full games regularly. The club have done the dirty on him though. We simply need a top 6 forward and a potential top 4 Dman. Not sure any top end Brits want to come to Nottingham though. I agree with majority of what you put but I’d argue that Tetlow would get onto the defence of the other 3 big clubs. Imo he’s better than Garside, Batch and Jones. Tetlow is a good 6th dman imo and still developing at 24, if you can bring quality into the other 5 D spots you’re onto a winner.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 12, 2022 19:48:24 GMT
To be honest I dont think Iggy is to wide of the mark. Our Brit pack is woefully lacking compared to the other contenders. Ollie is our best Brit and I think he is great but he is a step back from the top, top British forwards for me. There are probably 9 or 10 you'd sign for your top 2 lines before him. Kelsall wouldn't make the rosters of Cardiff, Sheffield or Belfast. He has come on and is an asset to throw out on the 4th line but thats it. Keep him in a 22 man squad yes but shouldn't make a 19 at a big club. Tetlow is much improved and decent, yet again though for a top club he probably shouldn't make the top 6 D. Id argue there are again 8-10 better out there(If all are fit im not sure he makes match day roster for GB). One of them a young man who went to Manchester as he wasn't getting a shot here. Kerlin I feel for, an EIHL back up for sure but he looks to be struggling at this level when asked to play full games regularly. The club have done the dirty on him though. We simply need a top 6 forward and a potential top 4 Dman. Not sure any top end Brits want to come to Nottingham though. I agree with majority of what you put but I’d argue that Tetlow would get onto the defence of the other 3 big clubs. Imo he’s better than Garside, Batch and Jones. Tetlow is a good 6th dman imo and still developing at 24, if you can bring quality into the other 5 D spots you’re onto a winner. I would take Garside every day and I think Batch has been great now that he's back in defense too.
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Post by DMS on Apr 12, 2022 20:18:09 GMT
To be honest I dont think Iggy is to wide of the mark. Our Brit pack is woefully lacking compared to the other contenders. Ollie is our best Brit and I think he is great but he is a step back from the top, top British forwards for me. There are probably 9 or 10 you'd sign for your top 2 lines before him. Kelsall wouldn't make the rosters of Cardiff, Sheffield or Belfast. He has come on and is an asset to throw out on the 4th line but thats it. Keep him in a 22 man squad yes but shouldn't make a 19 at a big club. Tetlow is much improved and decent, yet again though for a top club he probably shouldn't make the top 6 D. Id argue there are again 8-10 better out there(If all are fit im not sure he makes match day roster for GB). One of them a young man who went to Manchester as he wasn't getting a shot here. Kerlin I feel for, an EIHL back up for sure but he looks to be struggling at this level when asked to play full games regularly. The club have done the dirty on him though. We simply need a top 6 forward and a potential top 4 Dman. Not sure any top end Brits want to come to Nottingham though. I agree with majority of what you put but I’d argue that Tetlow would get onto the defence of the other 3 big clubs. Imo he’s better than Garside, Batch and Jones. Tetlow is a good 6th dman imo and still developing at 24, if you can bring quality into the other 5 D spots you’re onto a winner. Absolutely no chance Tetlow makes the roster of one of the “big three” with where he is right now imo.
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Post by Bagheera on Apr 12, 2022 21:15:40 GMT
To be honest I dont think Iggy is to wide of the mark. Our Brit pack is woefully lacking compared to the other contenders. Ollie is our best Brit and I think he is great but he is a step back from the top, top British forwards for me. There are probably 9 or 10 you'd sign for your top 2 lines before him. Kelsall wouldn't make the rosters of Cardiff, Sheffield or Belfast. He has come on and is an asset to throw out on the 4th line but thats it. Keep him in a 22 man squad yes but shouldn't make a 19 at a big club. Tetlow is much improved and decent, yet again though for a top club he probably shouldn't make the top 6 D. Id argue there are again 8-10 better out there(If all are fit im not sure he makes match day roster for GB). One of them a young man who went to Manchester as he wasn't getting a shot here. Kerlin I feel for, an EIHL back up for sure but he looks to be struggling at this level when asked to play full games regularly. The club have done the dirty on him though. We simply need a top 6 forward and a potential top 4 Dman. Not sure any top end Brits want to come to Nottingham though. I agree with majority of what you put but I’d argue that Tetlow would get onto the defence of the other 3 big clubs. Imo he’s better than Garside, Batch and Jones. Tetlow is a good 6th dman imo and still developing at 24, if you can bring quality into the other 5 D spots you’re onto a winner. Garside and Batch I'd take over him for sure. Sam Jones has also impressed me but perhaps they are about on a par. Tetlow could still get to that level but still has a bit of work to do. I'd still like to see him stick around. He has age on his side compared to the likes of Garside and Batch. It wont be long until the likes of Richardson, D Philips and a few others start thinking of retiring or at least heading on a downward trend. Players like Tetlow may not be the same level as those guys but they will end up the best there is and wipl be needed.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Apr 12, 2022 21:21:19 GMT
To be honest I dont think Iggy is to wide of the mark. Our Brit pack is woefully lacking compared to the other contenders. Ollie is our best Brit and I think he is great but he is a step back from the top, top British forwards for me. There are probably 9 or 10 you'd sign for your top 2 lines before him. Kelsall wouldn't make the rosters of Cardiff, Sheffield or Belfast. He has come on and is an asset to throw out on the 4th line but thats it. Keep him in a 22 man squad yes but shouldn't make a 19 at a big club. Tetlow is much improved and decent, yet again though for a top club he probably shouldn't make the top 6 D. Id argue there are again 8-10 better out there(If all are fit im not sure he makes match day roster for GB). One of them a young man who went to Manchester as he wasn't getting a shot here. Kerlin I feel for, an EIHL back up for sure but he looks to be struggling at this level when asked to play full games regularly. The club have done the dirty on him though. We simply need a top 6 forward and a potential top 4 Dman. Not sure any top end Brits want to come to Nottingham though. No they don't they probably will have been told by Perlini what a dumpster fire the org is and will keep well clear He can't have told Carozzo that though can he? They were teammates last year, so you can bet Massimo talked to Pearls before signing. But do wonder what he's said to his cousin over the years if he was getting frustrated ever. Conway would have been a nice pick up 😉
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2022 21:31:26 GMT
No they don't they probably will have been told by Perlini what a dumpster fire the org is and will keep well clear He can't have told Carozzo that though can he? They were teammates last year, so you can bet Massimo talked to Pearls before signing. But do wonder what he's said to his cousin over the years if he was getting frustrated ever. Conway would have been a nice pick up 😉 I think some players take the advice off fellow pros and some like to see for themselves lol
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Post by blackandgold73 on Apr 12, 2022 22:07:25 GMT
He can't have told Carozzo that though can he? They were teammates last year, so you can bet Massimo talked to Pearls before signing. But do wonder what he's said to his cousin over the years if he was getting frustrated ever. Conway would have been a nice pick up 😉 I think some players take the advice off fellow pros and some like to see for themselves lol In which case that would surely also apply to Brits as well.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Apr 12, 2022 23:04:24 GMT
He needs, for me, to put some bulk on, if possible. He's near the bottom of the +/- on limited ice time, but he's scored some nice goals though, so he has it in him. Maybe he's another where a first line job in the NIHL would do him the world of good? I think so especially if he puts on some size Think Tetlow would go backwards in the NIHL, he'd be a target for the likes of Chamberlain and probably end up fighting most games. He'll only improve with better players around him
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