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Post by Bagheera on Sept 1, 2021 20:01:15 GMT
I dont believe for 1 second we were still looking for an import. When you take in all the social media output around Matt not getting a job I really believe this deal has just been done the last few days. So either we've pulled the plug on an import very late in the day or we still have 2 to come(perhaps 1 a suprise). Either that or we were genuinely still looking! š± Then again this is the Panthers.
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Post by sevcik on Sept 1, 2021 20:03:49 GMT
IF we are to believe that this deal for Myers was only done yesterday, that smacks to me of us not being able to sign an import of the quality (CV wise) we wanted- Maybe this apparent wage cap played a part in that,
That said glad Matthew Myers is back at the club. One of the very best Brits we've had at the club.
Maybe if Perlini had re-signed it would've still been 13 imports and 6 Brits, with Perlini rather than Myers..
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Post by iginla on Sept 1, 2021 20:05:15 GMT
Heās instead of an import folksā¦.sorry to break it. I love Myers though. Cracking Player Then thatās unbelievably poor from Panthers,there is no way a team with Panthers resources should be going with 13 imports if they could have 14. That club never ever cease to amaze me with the depths they will go to in penny pinching and it completely backs up the argument that they donāt do all they can to win.
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Post by Pies on Sept 1, 2021 20:07:41 GMT
Looking at the forwards as a group, Wallace and Doucet must have something like this in mind: Suoranta Welsh Import Boivin Lane Domingue Carozza Tousignant Betteridge Myers Kelsall Myers is a great depth player as heās shown over the last few season with Cardiff, but I donāt think signing him over an import is the way to go. Him signing is great but in my opinion we should have gone with: Suoranta Import Import Boivin Welsh Domingue Carozza Lane Betteridge Tousignant Myers Kelsall as spare Two 25 goal scoring forwards in that 2nd lineup is going to push for the league title, weād have great depth, Kelsall as a spare for the inevitable injuries and covid cases. Maybe Iām overtly positive but Iām more than okay with this lineup so far š¤·āāļø
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Post by notts1999 on Sept 1, 2021 20:08:05 GMT
Surely we could just use kelsall as a spare, offers little to nothing
Rather have a cheap extra import then 13 and kelsall
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Post by Pies on Sept 1, 2021 20:08:23 GMT
Heās instead of an import folksā¦.sorry to break it. I love Myers though. Cracking Player Then thatās unbelievably poor from Panthers,there is no way a team with Panthers resources should be going with 13 imports if they could have 14. That club never ever cease to amaze me with the depths they will go to in penny pinching and it completely backs up the argument that they donāt do all they can to win. Shock.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 20:16:47 GMT
I dont believe for 1 second we were still looking for an import. When you take in all the social media output around Matt not getting a job I really believe this deal has just been done the last few days. So either we've pulled the plug on an import very late in the day or we still have 2 to come(perhaps 1 a suprise). Either that or we were genuinely still looking! š± Then again this is the Panthers. I actually can buy into this theory. I'm sure 2 weeks ago GUI wasn't expecting Myers to be available anyway. Surely they would have had their imports all signed up by then .. if they had decided to go with 13 and later discovered Myers would not be available then what would the have done?
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Post by Yotes on Sept 1, 2021 20:19:15 GMT
I'd rather take the import than Myers personally, but given they've killed off four line hockey it won't necessarily make much difference, provided the 3 lines are up to it. Kelsall won't play much.
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Post by iginla on Sept 1, 2021 20:24:22 GMT
I'd rather take the import than Myers personally, but given they've killed off four line hockey it won't necessarily make much difference, provided the 3 lines are up to it. Kelsall won't play much. Iād rather they dropped Kelsall and signed Myers along with 14 imports. Why the hell would you basically swop Kelsall for an import because thatās basically what theyāve done !
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Post by bobness on Sept 1, 2021 20:27:37 GMT
And that's a great shame. At 22, if he's got the EIHL in him (and I think he has) he needs to be logging minutes, not riding pine. Myers at 36 is the 4th line centre, whoever said he's got 30 points in him is delusional. Not since 2013 has that happened. Get him screening the net on the PP and the odd shift to keep him warm. Strange signing. OOAA.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 20:36:14 GMT
And that's a great shame. At 22, if he's got the EIHL in him (and I think he has) he needs to be logging minutes, not riding pine. Myers at 36 is the 4th line centre, whoever said he's got 30 points in him is delusional. Not since 2013 has that happened. Get him screening the net on the PP and the odd shift to keep him warm. Strange signing. OOAA. Strange comment I don't see kelsall as having much of a ceiling tbh. Yet jono Phillips is 2 years older and is still a key piece in their team. There won't be a harder worker on the team than Myers . I'm staggered no team offered him a contract to be honest. You know what you're getting from Matt. Myers owes this team nothing.
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Post by iginla on Sept 1, 2021 21:36:43 GMT
And that's a great shame. At 22, if he's got the EIHL in him (and I think he has) he needs to be logging minutes, not riding pine. Myers at 36 is the 4th line centre, whoever said he's got 30 points in him is delusional. Not since 2013 has that happened. Get him screening the net on the PP and the odd shift to keep him warm. Strange signing. OOAA. Itās not a shame if Kelsall is at Panthers,if he wants good minutes at this level then he needs to go to one of the also ran teams,because so far in 31 Panthers/Dundee games heās scored the grand total of 1+1. Anybody playing him over Myers or an import needs their head checking.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 21:42:54 GMT
At present Kelsall is not good enough for a top 4 eihl roster...that's not to say he won't be in the future
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Sept 1, 2021 21:43:05 GMT
And that's a great shame. At 22, if he's got the EIHL in him (and I think he has) he needs to be logging minutes, not riding pine. Myers at 36 is the 4th line centre, whoever said he's got 30 points in him is delusional. Not since 2013 has that happened. Get him screening the net on the PP and the odd shift to keep him warm. Strange signing. OOAA. Itās not a shame if Kelsall is at Panthers,if he wants good minutes at this level then he needs to go to one of the also ran teams,because so far in 31 Panthers/Dundee games heās scored the grand total of 1+1. Anybody playing him over Myers or an import needs their head checking. Agreed. He must be very cheap
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Post by bobness on Sept 1, 2021 21:45:35 GMT
Like I said. OOAA.
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Post by spik on Sept 1, 2021 22:54:38 GMT
And that's a great shame. At 22, if he's got the EIHL in him (and I think he has) he needs to be logging minutes, not riding pine. Myers at 36 is the 4th line centre, whoever said he's got 30 points in him is delusional. Not since 2013 has that happened. Get him screening the net on the PP and the odd shift to keep him warm. Strange signing. OOAA. I've got 35 points in his last season 15-16 (5 years ago now) previous season to that 2012-13 48 points 26 points or more in all seasons bar 2005-06 (15pts) and he started in 04-05
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Post by wgray on Sept 1, 2021 23:22:20 GMT
Looking at the forwards as a group, Wallace and Doucet must have something like this in mind: Suoranta Welsh Import Boivin Lane Domingue Carozza Tousignant Betteridge Myers Kelsall Myers is a great depth player as heās shown over the last few season with Cardiff, but I donāt think signing him over an import is the way to go. Him signing is great but in my opinion we should have gone with: Suoranta Import Import Boivin Welsh Domingue Carozza Lane Betteridge Tousignant Myers Kelsall as spare Two 25 goal scoring forwards in that 2nd lineup is going to push for the league title, weād have great depth, Kelsall as a spare for the inevitable injuries and covid cases. Maybe Iām overtly positive but Iām more than okay with this lineup so far š¤·āāļø Maybe Iām just being greedy! In all seriousness though I think it relies a lot on how Welsh and Lane turn out. With 1 more to come in on the wings Iām happy with the players weāve got there so far. Tousignant and Myers as 3rd and 4th centres is also good, we know what they bring and theyāll suit those roles. Iām sure thereās a good player in Welsh despite his scoring in the DEL dropping off and I donāt think playing in Poland last season is a sign that heās on a downward spiral. Hopefully Lane clicks with Boivin and Domingue who already have some good chemistry and he compliments them well. The last import does need to be a marquee signing imo though. No Brett Bulmerās!!!
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Post by Yotes on Sept 1, 2021 23:31:37 GMT
Why the hell would you basically swop Kelsall for an import Money, probably. Import or Kelsall though, there'll not be any huge need for them, aside from injury. I suppose with an import and Myers you could double shift the wingers to make the 3 and 2/3 lines into 4(ish), but I'd bet 10 & 11 will just be fill-ins and role players most nights. Myers and Kelsall can do that. We should just be allowed a 20-man lineup. Whoever came up with 19 is an idiot, they've screwed over guys like Kelsall for negligible benefit.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Sept 2, 2021 0:20:26 GMT
And that's a great shame. At 22, if he's got the EIHL in him (and I think he has) he needs to be logging minutes, not riding pine. Myers at 36 is the 4th line centre, whoever said he's got 30 points in him is delusional. Not since 2013 has that happened. Get him screening the net on the PP and the odd shift to keep him warm. Strange signing. OOAA. I've got 35 points in his last season 15-16 (5 years ago now) previous season to that 2012-13Ā 48 points 26 points or more in all seasons bar 2005-06 (15pts) and he started in 04-05 But itās delusional to think he might score points in a rink he likes playing in and on a team who will give him more minutes. Sam Herr he isnāt, but decent point scorer he is.
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Post by bobness on Sept 2, 2021 6:56:12 GMT
And that's a great shame. At 22, if he's got the EIHL in him (and I think he has) he needs to be logging minutes, not riding pine. Myers at 36 is the 4th line centre, whoever said he's got 30 points in him is delusional. Not since 2013 has that happened. Get him screening the net on the PP and the odd shift to keep him warm. Strange signing. OOAA. I've got 35 points in his last season 15-16 (5 years ago now) previous season to that 2012-13Ā 48 points 26 points or more in all seasons bar 2005-06 (15pts) and he started in 04-05 Just had a quick look on EP at the league points. Not unhappy with the signing, but seems to me like a typical Panthers āHeās a nice bloke ā (which he is) signing, rather than āHeās what we needā. Maybe thereās a reason no-one else seemingly offered him a deal. Or maybe they did but there was a BOC style difference of opinion as to values? Very happy to be proved wrong.
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Post by bobness on Sept 2, 2021 6:58:22 GMT
At present Kelsall is not good enough for a top 4 eihl roster...that's not to say he won't be in the future Difficult to see how he improves riding the bench though?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2021 7:54:39 GMT
I've got 35 points in his last season 15-16 (5 years ago now) previous season to that 2012-13Ā 48 points 26 points or more in all seasons bar 2005-06 (15pts) and he started in 04-05 Just had a quick look on EP at the league points. Not unhappy with the signing, but seems to me like a typical Panthers āHeās a nice bloke ā (which he is) signing, rather than āHeās what we needā. Maybe thereās a reason no-one else seemingly offered him a deal. Or maybe they did but there was a BOC style difference of opinion as to values? Very happy to be proved wrong. No he's been signed because GUI knows what he'll get from him
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Post by Pies on Sept 2, 2021 7:55:05 GMT
I think we need to manage some expectations here. Doucet and Wallace have always built teams their own way. They go for round pegs in round holes. As evidenced during the back end of the last regular season and the elite series, they can build teams that on paper donāt look as goal heavy. But once they buy into Wallaceās systems, they find ways to win.
Iām not saying itās going to work everytime and I certainly think Belfast, Cardiff and Steelers have the better resumes but weāve seen Panthers teams with those before. It comes down to coaching and willingness to win. Myers made it very clear heās here to win and with the experience of him and Matheson, another born winner, they can help keep the team honest in a quest for trophies.
I donāt feel cheated by our roster because we know as a club, weāve never been afraid to make changes if it isnāt working.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2021 7:55:34 GMT
At present Kelsall is not good enough for a top 4 eihl roster...that's not to say he won't be in the future Difficult to see how he improves riding the bench though? Give him bottom 6 minutes at the likes of Dundee or Fife..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2021 7:58:43 GMT
I think we need to manage some expectations here. Doucet and Wallace have always built teams their own way. They go for round pegs in round holes. As evidenced during the back end of the last regular season and the elite series, they can build teams that on paper donāt look as goal heavy. But once they buy into Wallaceās systems, they find ways to win. Iām not saying itās going to work everytime and I certainly think Belfast, Cardiff and Steelers have the better resumes but weāve seen Panthers teams with those before. It comes down to coaching and willingness to win. Myers made it very clear heās here to win and with the experience of him and Matheson, another born winner, they can help keep the team honest in a quest for trophies. I donāt feel cheated by our roster because we know as a club, weāve never been afraid to make changes if it isnāt working. Exactly. Tim and GUI do seem to stick to a plan. This roster has goals it (and that's before the final import) it's a good age as well but has experience as well.
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