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Post by Pies on May 22, 2021 12:59:26 GMT
Just an FYI Wannabe...we don’t need separate threads for each devils signings.... we have a general one for other teams.
Also, with the devils, new coach, new players. Their core won’t be what it used to be with Martin and Fournier leaving. Success with a rebuild takes time. I don’t share this idea that Cardiff will blow the league away. Comes down to coaching and culture. The devils have become a top team...but they aren’t progressing on the European front...they lost their last cup final...quite frankly, the “peak” years of the devils success didn’t bring them the level of trophies of Sheffield and Nottingham. By the way, the Devils just bloody annoy me, if that’s not obvious.
Panthers have been burnt so many times by the ex-NHL player so many times. I’m with Pidge...an AHL player in his prime is usually a better pick up. For them to come out and say “he will be the best defenceman in the league” before anyone else signs an import D man is laughable
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Post by Jord v4 on May 22, 2021 13:00:55 GMT
If it means some of the other teams spend what they can to compete more then it's a good thing. This is the balance that has to be met. We don't want teams bringing out the begging buckets again but we do want a better level of hockey for all. Understand you completely over the level playing field. If I was a paying fan every week I would definitely want the same. Whilst these certain owners are here though I possibly can't see that happening, they are some distance apart on how to run their businesses. Personally I hope Cardiff's success embarrasses a few of them in to putting more of the earned money in to the on ice side. Don't forget Black has been on the British hockey scene for over 20 years when the likes of Sheffield Belfast Ayr etc were spending money like water and he then never really upped the ante One league title in 372yrs certainly backs this up, yes. Perhaps Panthers will do absolutely nothing different like usual.
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Post by Jord v4 on May 22, 2021 13:05:28 GMT
Just an FYI Wannabe...we don’t need separate threads for each devils signings.... we have a general one for other teams. Also, with the devils, new coach, new players. Their core won’t be what it used to be with Martin and Fournier leaving. Success with a rebuild takes time. I don’t share this idea that Cardiff will blow the league away. Comes down to coaching and culture. The devils have become a top team...but they aren’t progressing on the European front...they lost their last cup final...quite frankly, the “peak” years of the devils success didn’t bring them the level of trophies of Sheffield and Nottingham. By the way, the Devils just bloody annoy me, if that’s not obvious. Panthers have been burnt so many times by the ex-NHL player so many times. I’m with Pidge...an AHL player in his prime is usually a better pick up. For them to come out and say “he will be the best defenceman in the league” before anyone else signs an import D man is laughable It's the Devils. They like their ridiculous press releases & OTT claims. The Phil Osaer one still has me in stiches.
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Post by iginla on May 22, 2021 13:29:25 GMT
If it means some of the other teams spend what they can to compete more then it's a good thing. This is the balance that has to be met. We don't want teams bringing out the begging buckets again but we do want a better level of hockey for all. Understand you completely over the level playing field. If I was a paying fan every week I would definitely want the same. Whilst these certain owners are here though I possibly can't see that happening, they are some distance apart on how to run their businesses. Personally I hope Cardiff's success embarrasses a few of them in to putting more of the earned money in to the on ice side. Don't forget Black has been on the British hockey scene for over 20 years when the likes of Sheffield Belfast Ayr etc were spending money like water and he then never really upped the ante Which is exactly what grates and why Panthers are where they are when the league trophy is handed out. He won’t soend it on player budget to try win the league but he’ll spend £200k on a little CHL jaunt they’ve got absolutely no chance of winning. It doesn’t make sense. 🙄
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Post by wannabe2 on May 22, 2021 14:01:08 GMT
Just an FYI Wannabe...we don’t need separate threads for each devils signings.... we have a general one for other teams. Also, with the devils, new coach, new players. Their core won’t be what it used to be with Martin and Fournier leaving. Success with a rebuild takes time. I don’t share this idea that Cardiff will blow the league away. Comes down to coaching and culture. The devils have become a top team...but they aren’t progressing on the European front...they lost their last cup final...quite frankly, the “peak” years of the devils success didn’t bring them the level of trophies of Sheffield and Nottingham. By the way, the Devils just bloody annoy me, if that’s not obvious. Panthers have been burnt so many times by the ex-NHL player so many times. I’m with Pidge...an AHL player in his prime is usually a better pick up. For them to come out and say “he will be the best defenceman in the league” before anyone else signs an import D man is laughable Who and where did anyone say he would be the best D Man in the league, missed that one.
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Post by Jord v4 on May 22, 2021 14:34:37 GMT
Can I suggest to Yotes or Pies that this thread is renamed Team Budgets or something similar as that conversation potentially has some mileage. Other teams signings can then go in the appropriate thread as eluded.
Personally I don't want this place becoming a Cardiff willy waving flag as it has for signings in past seasons. One thread for all other teams signings, use it.
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Post by wannabe2 on May 22, 2021 14:45:13 GMT
Trouble is we don’t have a clue what team budgets are, it’s all just pure speculation. My speculation is that our budget has been between 3rd-4th in the league in the past.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 14:46:39 GMT
Trouble is we don’t have a clue what team budgets are, it’s all just pure speculation. My speculation is that our budget has been between 3rd-4th in the league in the past. And on that note I think we should lock the thread 😂🙈
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 14:47:32 GMT
Can I suggest to Yotes or Pies that this thread is renamed Team Budgets or something similar as that conversation potentially has some mileage. Other teams signings can then go in the appropriate thread as eluded. Personally I don't want this place becoming a Cardiff willy waving flag as it has for signings in past seasons. One thread for all other teams signings, use it. Don't forget the Devils can give their New Jersey counterparts a run for their money 😂😂🙈🙈
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Post by Jord v4 on May 22, 2021 14:47:48 GMT
Trouble is we don’t have a clue what team budgets are, it’s all just pure speculation. My speculation is that our budget has been between 3rd-4th in the league in the past. And on that note I think we should lock the thread 😂🙈 Put him on block mate. It's for the best.
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Post by Pies on May 22, 2021 15:43:10 GMT
Just an FYI Wannabe...we don’t need separate threads for each devils signings.... we have a general one for other teams. Also, with the devils, new coach, new players. Their core won’t be what it used to be with Martin and Fournier leaving. Success with a rebuild takes time. I don’t share this idea that Cardiff will blow the league away. Comes down to coaching and culture. The devils have become a top team...but they aren’t progressing on the European front...they lost their last cup final...quite frankly, the “peak” years of the devils success didn’t bring them the level of trophies of Sheffield and Nottingham. By the way, the Devils just bloody annoy me, if that’s not obvious. Panthers have been burnt so many times by the ex-NHL player so many times. I’m with Pidge...an AHL player in his prime is usually a better pick up. For them to come out and say “he will be the best defenceman in the league” before anyone else signs an import D man is laughable Who and where did anyone say he would be the best D Man in the league, missed that one. Watch the cringeworthy video your owners made!
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Post by wannabe2 on May 22, 2021 16:03:12 GMT
Why did/ you watch it, if Black had made it would that have been okay, there again he don’t get too fanatical about his team. Seems like having owners who are also fans isn’t the done thing.
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Post by wannabe2 on May 22, 2021 16:03:40 GMT
Bit of a shame really.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on May 22, 2021 16:04:18 GMT
If it means some of the other teams spend what they can to compete more then it's a good thing. This is the balance that has to be met. We don't want teams bringing out the begging buckets again but we do want a better level of hockey for all. Understand you completely over the level playing field. If I was a paying fan every week I would definitely want the same. Whilst these certain owners are here though I possibly can't see that happening, they are some distance apart on how to run their businesses. Personally I hope Cardiff's success embarrasses a few of them in to putting more of the earned money in to the on ice side. Don't forget Black has been on the British hockey scene for over 20 years when the likes of Sheffield Belfast Ayr etc were spending money like water and he then never really upped the ante That's far more being bad businessmen than anything else. To blindly spend more than you have to win is never going to end well. Basic arithmetic. The team owners who benefit most from leveling down wage caps is the owners with the most income not UK hockey.
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Post by spik on May 22, 2021 16:45:17 GMT
This should be in the General Signings Discussion thread. Any news on signings to teams into the Elite Rosters thread.
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Post by Jord v4 on May 22, 2021 16:59:07 GMT
This should be in the General Signings Discussion thread. Any news on signings to teams into the Elite Rosters thread. Exactly, it's a Panthers forum. Other teams have one thread for all their signings.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 17:07:00 GMT
Who and where did anyone say he would be the best D Man in the league, missed that one. Watch the cringeworthy video your owners made! I thought it was embarrassing .. then you have that clown on twitter 😂😂
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Post by wannabe2 on May 22, 2021 17:39:23 GMT
That’s our trouble our owners are so embarrassing it’s untrue, they couldn’t give a toss about the fans, couldn’t give a toss about the club, and couldn’t give a toss about the players. Bit like the Panthers Organisation I suppose, very little trophies take the money and run, but the fans will come back. Damned if your crap, and damned if your not. If your Black your a dick, and if your King your a dick too different ends of the sphere but a dick anyway, Chuck in Smith and that’s another dick but armchair wannabes know it all don’t you guys. Stay Safe All.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 17:43:53 GMT
Looks like we've touched a nerve hey Glynny boy
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Post by wannabe2 on May 22, 2021 18:05:52 GMT
Not really bud I don’t have any Pidgy Poo, and that’s true. Just stating that sometimes with certain people you can never be right, as no one can ever reach their dizzy heights, which are ground level normally as you should know.
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Post by Yotes on May 22, 2021 18:48:22 GMT
This should be in the General Signings Discussion thread. Any news on signings to teams into the Elite Rosters thread. It depends really, if there's a signing in the league worthy of its own thread - a senior Brit swaps between clubs or something, or a guy we've all heard of from the world stage turns up - then by all means start one. This would not qualify but a bit late to be bothering cutting it up now.
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Post by Pies on May 22, 2021 20:05:44 GMT
Why did/ you watch it, if Black had made it would that have been okay, there again he don’t get too fanatical about his team. Seems like having owners who are also fans isn’t the done thing. They flew a paper aeroplane over to a player...it’s the literal definition of cringeworthy. And the worst part is, for a pre recorded video, they couldn’t even get it together!! If Black had made that, I would have said the exact same thing. I don’t know what you expect Glynn...Panthers forum and we’re not on here to pat the devils on the head. Call it as we see it...if you think the video is good, then congrats! But the reason I watched it is because I go into things with an open mind that it MIGHT have been worth my time...it was but for all the wrong reasons!
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Post by Discoray on May 23, 2021 11:43:05 GMT
Let's go play where real sponsorship money and tv revenue helps you improve your product. What could EIHL teams in such a league bring to the table with their own track record of TV deals and sponsorship? Rapid Solicitors was great eh? Definitely can't ever top Betpredict though or whatever they were called. Signed a 3 year deal with them, and they went bust in less than 1. That "imminent" appointment of an EIHL Commercial Director is only hitting 7 years now, and 6 years for that full EIHL rulebook to be published by Seth Bennett.
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Post by texpef on May 24, 2021 10:14:57 GMT
But our owners do care, do they want to win Duh yes, are they smart enough to not want the league to crumble Duh yes, would they like to see the league improving its product Duh yes, are they clever enough to know we need each other Duh yes. As for ending in disaster and tears the EIHL has been around now since 2003, Thats 18 yrs not 5 mins I would say lighten up Pidge but that would be like hitting my head against a wooden block. Stay Safe All. Same thing was said in the ISL era and before that the Heineken premier league... blah blah blah achieve success spend what is required etc etc From a panthers perspective we were told lean years in the old barn as we could not compete with the "big boys" until we got a new barn then all we heard from other clubs is panthers cant spend what they can as it will blow the league out of the water and destabilise the current structure and so on and so on (little did they know that it was more about trousering the cash than spending it but hey ho).. In our little backwater hockey world with the generally big changes in personel year on year and with the brits in all honesty making little impact it really does come down to who buys the best players wins, it is that simple... to misquote Blaisdell he knew he had won in sheffield before a puck was dropped as he bought best players... It is also hard to argue with very few exceptions that the better players like better houses, cars etc cost the most money so it is not rocket science to deduct at the start of a season who has spent the most as they have the majority of the "better" players. As most fans wont have seen the majority of the players who join our league play then the only source of judge regarding the quality of the player is there resume and it is fair to say that the better players generally have a better resume and hence it is reasonable to suggest that these are the better paid players ie the most expensive ones... So on to Cardiff, to say their spending is good for the league is tosh, their "overspending, or spending within their means" (depending on pov) is only good for Cardiff and their fans. If hypothetically Cardiff spend £1m on their team realistically how many other teams could (if they wanted to match them?) i suspect the rink based teams spend what they can already so that rules out all but sheffield and Nottingham. We already know in Nottingham that the budget is set so no amount of extra spending by our rivals will make no difference to what is spent here. That leaves sheffield and assuming they do match this (which is far from guaranteed) then season after season it becomes a 2 horse race... People go on about a free market economy and if other teams decide not to compete its up to them plus the argument it happens in all sports there are alsorans and high achievers etc but we arent other sports and we dont have bottomless pits to make the league competitive. But as with the ISL if teams go bust that helps no one (looking at you sheffield) or if they just decide they have had enough being the whipping boys and move to a less challenging league where they can compete. This is great for Cardiff and if this is the first signing of an all star team it will be a great year for them but it will get boring very quickly for everyone else if teams cant compete with them regarding player staff and it will be no fun for them when other teams decide enough is enough...
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Post by Jord v4 on May 24, 2021 10:48:56 GMT
Excellent post, Tex.
Sadly though far too erudite to expect a lucid response.
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