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Post by spik on Jun 1, 2021 21:02:05 GMT
FINAL REPORT
Didn't think the Czech's would make it. Sweden 'not this year guys' Thought Denmark were going that well they would have taken a spot. USA surprised me though others like Canada failed to impress yet still got to the quarters. Fancied Germany and so they do prove to make the grade once again Pity for Kazakhstan, their place almost stolen, only had to turn up against Norway who did enough themselves but then again it was Italy below them.
We turned up, showed up and have gone up in the league. 14th overall and what would have been enough to stay put in the top flight, marvellous.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jun 1, 2021 22:54:05 GMT
Last time after the U.S.A game, I got bored of the tournament and skipped all the games until the game that really mattered which was The France game. This time around, even though some nations put up a lot of shots and scored a few goals, we played hard and TBH, made teams earn it. Based on this year's tournament, I'd say there are more nations who we can be competitive against and may get something from those games. I reckon that we may get something from games against Slovakia, Denmark, Belarus, Italy, Kazakhstan and maybe Latvia (If they are not hosts) Against the top nations however, they have got to find a way of clearing our zone more quickly without taking penalties, which will then lead more regular Line Changes which may result in less shots being rained on our Goalies. Our forwards also have to get more shots on the opposition Goalies instead of waiting too long or doing that extra pass. As Switzerland proved, you could get something if you shoot. Kirk and Bowns are getting picked up by top leagues, Tetlow also maybe, not sure who else. Could Neilson and Keefe be looked at also. I thought that overall we had a good tournament and that we were way more competitive than last time. Also that if we took less penalties, tightened up our reactive and active transition game, further improved our PK and cut down the amount of SOG we faced we could have finished higher. And whilst I agree about taking more shots on the whole I think there are two factors here. 1) I suspect the coaches recognised that we were vulnerable to the counter at this stage of our development and I think perhaps emphasised well worked, high percentage shot over dumping it on goal all the time and hoping. Just shooting the puck on goal all the time is always less risky if you're not facing potentially higher calibre opponents who might sting you with their transition from a rebound back to your own goal. 2) - I also think other teams were better at reducing easier shooting opportunities, so that what was left to us was sometimes higher percentage simply because it had to be worked better to get the shot off already. And I definitely think some of our stats will have raised some eyebrows. We finished 14th in the end but... **Ranked 8th on scoring efficiency** (ahead of US, Sweden, Denmark, Latvia, Finland, Slovakia, Canada and Belarus). **8th on Powerplay (21.43%)** - ahead of US, Norway, Slovakia, Canada, Germany, Italy, Belarus and Latvia **9th on (Team) Goalkeeping (89.94%)** - ahead of Czech Republic, Norway, Switzerland, Canada, Slovakia, Belarus and Italy. Which confirms we *can* convert chances - especially when taken at high percentage times (perhaps as better teams restricted opportunities to other shots?) - *but* also that our goalies often kept us in games However, and this is a big however,... ... when you know that (at 308 Shots On Goal) we faced more potential scoring shots than any other team it also suggests that teams are able to get way too many shots away against us and we need to look at that.(It definitely felt that way watching it sometimes). - Of the eight teams that made the playoffs Slovakia was the outlier by facing 185 SOG, the rest averaged in the 150s or 160s. - The eight teams that made the playoffs were also the eight teams with the lowest SOG. Not a coincidence. If we can improve that SOG number dramatically then with our other attributes we can help ourselves move up. But when we're facing twice as many shots as the top teams it's always going to be an uphill battle from that point. We need to get better at restricting SOG shots like higher ranked teams. Which brings me too the next part of facing too many SOG. The types of SOG... Though at 73.91% we **ranked 11th in Penalty Kill** (and ahead of 4 teams that qualified: Switzerland, Finland, Czech Republic and Slovakia) that still wasn't enough because... We **ranked 6th in numbers of penalties** at an average of 9.08 minutes per game on the PK. Given how low our goal scoring was by comparison (in numbers) you can't afford to give up the man advantage that much *unless* you have the scoring depth/systems quality to negate it. And sometimes that felt like penalties being taken because they had to be which is never good Given that 3 teams that took more penalties than us *and* had worse PK% still made the Playoffs it just shows that it can be done but not unless you can cut down your opponent's SOG count as well as increasing your own. So whilst we have some great attributes we also have some (taking penalties, SOG) that is undercutting their potential. We punch above our perceived weight in a couple of departments and for the amount of preparation we had I thought they did great. But I think the next step will be about learning to combine a positive attacking style at this level (which I loved seeing) with getting more shots on opponents goals, managing the transitions better and reducing opponents SOG count. Denmark, Latvia and Norway are our next targets. Their goals scored and SOG *against* opponents were either the same or close to ours this tournament. And we outranked them sometimes in other departments. But not one of these the teams faced 200 shots on their own goal. If we only worked on that alone, and have some more time with the players together to work on these systems I honestly believe we could be finishing above these teams in only a couple of years. But, as always, JMHO
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Post by spik on Jun 3, 2021 8:48:29 GMT
One query of game 6 for us against the Czech team.
Did we really have three n/m's on the bench as the official stats show this. The norm is 22 players so to have 3 nets it gave us 23. only Garside, Duggan, Hook, Swindlehurst and Venus not in that game otherwise.
The final game stats also show Bowns and Whistle with 7 games played and Hedley as 1 too.
If this is right, why not dress all 3 every time, which makes me think they have made a mistake on the GRS on the site.
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Post by Bagheera on Jun 3, 2021 8:53:14 GMT
One query of game 6 for us against the Czech team. Did we really have three n/m's on the bench as the official stats show this. The norm is 22 players so to have 3 nets it gave us 23. only Garside, Duggan, Hook, Swindlehurst and Venus not in that game otherwise. The final game stats also show Bowns and Whistle with 7 games played and Hedley as 1 too. If this is right, why not dress all 3 every time, which makes me think they have made a mistake on the GRS on the site. Not 100% but I think whoever started was replaced by the back up due to an injury of some sort. In this situation your 3rd NM is allowed to change and become back up. It's the only game I didn't see most of.
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Post by spik on Jun 3, 2021 8:57:29 GMT
One query of game 6 for us against the Czech team. Did we really have three n/m's on the bench as the official stats show this. The norm is 22 players so to have 3 nets it gave us 23. only Garside, Duggan, Hook, Swindlehurst and Venus not in that game otherwise. The final game stats also show Bowns and Whistle with 7 games played and Hedley as 1 too. If this is right, why not dress all 3 every time, which makes me think they have made a mistake on the GRS on the site. Not 100% but I think whoever started was replaced by the back up due to an injury of some sort. In this situation your 3rd NM is allowed to change and become back up. It's the only game I didn't see most of. Yes, that might be an answer. But i just assumed that the third choice was being given a try out as all the other players have had. Question now is did anyone recall this happening? Bob?
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Post by Bagheera on Jun 3, 2021 8:59:47 GMT
Not 100% but I think whoever started was replaced by the back up due to an injury of some sort. In this situation your 3rd NM is allowed to change and become back up. It's the only game I didn't see most of. Yes, that might be an answer. But i just assumed that the third choice was being given a try out as all the other players have had. Question now is did anyone recall this happening? Bob? www.icehockeyuk.co.uk/2021/05/29/hedley-awarded-debut-great-britain-cap/
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Post by spik on Jun 3, 2021 9:16:30 GMT
Yes, Chris Ellis just responded from my text asking this. Confirmed the situation for me. So you were correct - thanks for reply. To add...there were no type of programmes at this event , though I thought there might be some sort of official notice/media sheet. I tried to buy a puck from the official site which was e18 and I chose what I thought was e3 shipping. Once I put my address as Britain delivery shot up to e21 plus tax......So I left that one.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Jun 6, 2021 19:56:02 GMT
How did that happen ? A team with one good line, a so-so keeper, and an 0-3 start, beats Russia, USA & Finland in succession to win gold.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jun 6, 2021 20:34:05 GMT
And if only I'd bet the house on Kirk being joint high goal scorer at the end of the tournament I'd be sitting pretty! Those would have been some good odds we all could have got 😊
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jun 6, 2021 20:35:21 GMT
How did that happen ? A team with one good line, a so-so keeper, and an 0-3 start, beats Russia, USA & Finland in succession to win gold. Even the IIHF's own news item calls it the 'little miracle'
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Post by Bagheera on Jun 6, 2021 21:19:16 GMT
I think next year could be the end of the current stay at the top table for GB. They do keep producing miracles, so of course I hope they manage to do it again. With that group though I just cant see it.
We could beat Belarus again but find it hard to see where other points come from. Belarus could pick up points from other games.
The other group appears to be a little closer at the bottom end with Italy then Kazakhstan, Slovakia and Denmark. I'm not greatly knowledgable when it comes to internationals, but that looks more competitive than GBs group. Perhaps Im just giving Latvia and Norway to much credit.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Jun 6, 2021 21:34:08 GMT
How did that happen ? A team with one good line, a so-so keeper, and an 0-3 start, beats Russia, USA & Finland in succession to win gold. Even the IIHF's own news item calls it the 'little miracle' With Canada it's not how, it's how many. With Finland, it seems to be the other way round.
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Post by langer on Jun 6, 2021 21:42:24 GMT
How did that happen ? A team with one good line, a so-so keeper, and an 0-3 start, beats Russia, USA & Finland in succession to win gold.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 11:36:44 GMT
How did that happen ? A team with one good line, a so-so keeper, and an 0-3 start, beats Russia, USA & Finland in succession to win gold. Yup I remember all the 'mickey taking ' when GB had more points that Canada early doors... Yup that aged well eh
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Post by Discoray on Jun 7, 2021 11:44:57 GMT
Yup I remember all the 'mickey taking ' when GB had more points that Canada early doors... Yup that aged well eh It would have only "aged well" if GB was near anything on a par to Canada, or expecting to have more points than them going in. As it was, it was just a bit of a laugh at the time of happening and that was it. Not sure what the fuss on that is about?
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Jun 7, 2021 11:52:59 GMT
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Jun 7, 2021 11:53:43 GMT
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Post by bobness on Jun 7, 2021 12:14:59 GMT
Yup I remember all the 'mickey taking ' when GB had more points that Canada early doors... Yup that aged well eh It would have only "aged well" if GB was near anything on a par to Canada, or expecting to have more points than them going in. As it was, it was just a bit of a laugh at the time of happening and that was it. Not sure what the fuss on that is about? There's no fuss. Lots of other posts don't "age well", either, because they are made in the moment.
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Post by langer on Jun 7, 2021 16:10:12 GMT
Tells you something about the calibre of this IIHF Worlds Championship when a group of talented youngsters 22 and under one 18 combined with a group of fourth line NHL players other than perhaps three, boosted by ex KHL/AHL players lose the first three games get it together and are crowned Worlds Champions.
The youngest team in the tournament, average age 24, arguably the weakest Canadian team in 20 years
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Post by bobness on Jun 7, 2021 16:54:43 GMT
They were good enough to win it though. You don't have to win the first games, just the last ones.
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Post by Pies on Jun 8, 2021 16:13:54 GMT
They were good enough to win it though. You don't have to win the first games, just the last ones. Clearly following the Panthers elite series mantra...
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jun 9, 2021 12:03:13 GMT
Could Neilson and Keefe be looked at also. Looks like Norway was looking... Corey has signed as Head Coach of Mangelrud, so he'll be coaching against Austin, Ellis and some of the other Norwegian contingent from the Series. Will be interesting to see how he recruits. Mangelrud seems to have a pretty empty roster so far, only one player under contract, so will be interesting to see what team he shapes for Norwegian game. Can't help wondering if he might be a good fit for Norway hockey
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Jun 9, 2021 13:52:40 GMT
Could Neilson and Keefe be looked at also. Looks like Norway was looking... Corey has signed as Head Coach of Mangelrud, so he'll be coaching against Austin, Ellis and some of the other Norwegian contingent from the Series. Will be interesting to see how he recruits. Mangelrud seems to have a pretty empty roster so far, only one player under contract, so will be interesting to see what team he shapes for Norwegian game. Can't help wondering if he might be a good fit for Norway hockey Good for Corey. Get ready for the pre-season challenge game for the 'Whatever it was' Trophy. let's hope they understand his sense of humour.
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Post by bobness on Jun 9, 2021 14:19:37 GMT
Could Neilson and Keefe be looked at also. Looks like Norway was looking... Corey has signed as Head Coach of Mangelrud, so he'll be coaching against Austin, Ellis and some of the other Norwegian contingent from the Series. Will be interesting to see how he recruits. Mangelrud seems to have a pretty empty roster so far, only one player under contract, so will be interesting to see what team he shapes for Norwegian game. Can't help wondering if he might be a good fit for Norway hockey Having been to a Manglerud game, they look like a club run fairly basically, with younger players and relatively inexperienced imports, the last few years certainly. Dylan Richard played there the season before Panthers, for example. The game I saw was pretty quick and skilful though, if not overly physical.
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Post by spik on Jun 12, 2021 19:29:09 GMT
Could Neilson and Keefe be looked at also. Looks like Norway was looking... Corey has signed as Head Coach of Mangelrud, so he'll be coaching against Austin, Ellis and some of the other Norwegian contingent from the Series. Will be interesting to see how he recruits. Mangelrud seems to have a pretty empty roster so far, only one player under contract, so will be interesting to see what team he shapes for Norwegian game. Can't help wondering if he might be a good fit for Norway hockey Any possible GB players on the move to Norway then?
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