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Post by ashfieldpanther on May 17, 2021 15:46:20 GMT
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Post by Jord v4 on May 17, 2021 15:52:45 GMT
But Joey, what about that green green Graz of home???
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Post by wannabe2 on May 19, 2021 8:41:35 GMT
Looks fairly certain Joey Martin will be at Graz 99 next season, the team Bownsy went to, they can offer him a certain position where we can only,offer a possible maybe. Huge loss for the Devils but we wish him well, we have all lost fans favourites in the past, but we all move on. The most important thing is having a season obviously, there’s going to be lots of new faces in the EIHL hopefully come Sept/Oct. Stay safe all.
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Post by iginla on May 19, 2021 9:02:51 GMT
Looks fairly certain Joey Martin will be at Graz 99 next season, the team Bownsy went to, they can offer him a certain position where we can only,offer a possible maybe. Huge loss for the Devils but we wish him well, we have all lost fans favourites in the past, but we all move on. The most important thing is having a season obviously, there’s going to be lots of new faces in the EIHL hopefully come Sept/Oct. Stay safe all. Ah but are they offering him a job after hockey ! 😳🤣
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Post by wannabe2 on May 19, 2021 9:21:22 GMT
Maybe they will offer him a scholarship in Yodelling which is handy for gathering the goats in, seeing as he was the goat in Cardiff.
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Post by bobness on May 19, 2021 9:51:32 GMT
Maybe they will offer him a scholarship in Yodelling which is handy for gathering the goats in, seeing as he was the goat in Cardiff. He's certainly got 6 years of top drawer stats to put him in contention for that title.
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Post by Yotes on May 19, 2021 15:12:55 GMT
Maybe Bowns has been putting in a good word.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on May 19, 2021 19:47:15 GMT
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Post by Jord v4 on May 19, 2021 20:39:40 GMT
But didn't he tell someone he couldn't wait to return to Cardiff??
Welsh Joey... Pmsl.
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Post by Jord v4 on May 20, 2021 12:57:05 GMT
Just to add to this if what I'm hearing is true then Cardiff's budget compared to other EIHL teams is about to be further blown out of the water.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on May 20, 2021 13:35:32 GMT
Just to add to this if what I'm hearing is true then Cardiff's budget compared to other EIHL teams is about to be further blown out of the water. Thats all very well, but where does total domination of the Elite league get you ? A place in the CHL and a chance to put up a good fight against the big boys. But does it earn a profit, as they can't enlarge the Arena or charge exponentially more. So maybe they have a big, but not a MASSIVE budget.
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Post by Jord v4 on May 20, 2021 13:41:06 GMT
Just to add to this if what I'm hearing is true then Cardiff's budget compared to other EIHL teams is about to be further blown out of the water. Thats all very well, but where does total domination of the Elite league get you ? A place in the CHL and a chance to put up a good fight against the big boys. But does it earn a profit, as they can't enlarge the Arena or charge exponentially more. So maybe they have a big, but not a MASSIVE budget. It gets you local success & a chance to raise the profile of the club on the highest possible stage. For many that is more than enough.
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Post by Yotes on May 20, 2021 13:43:44 GMT
Cardiff's budget is going to blow everyone else's out of the water, or be blown out of the water?
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Post by Jord v4 on May 20, 2021 13:50:06 GMT
Cardiff's budget is going to blow everyone else's out of the water, or be blown out of the water? The former, my initial post was less than concise I agree.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2021 7:13:57 GMT
Thats all very well, but where does total domination of the Elite league get you ? A place in the CHL and a chance to put up a good fight against the big boys. But does it earn a profit, as they can't enlarge the Arena or charge exponentially more. So maybe they have a big, but not a MASSIVE budget. It gets you local success & a chance to raise the profile of the club on the highest possible stage. For many that is more than enough. What highest stage.. this league isn't held in much regard beyond these shores . If their budget is even more then they are losing even more money .. hardly good business .. by one team spending loads more than all the others is more harmful for the league long term.. devils owners are playing a dangerous game
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Post by Walitzer on May 21, 2021 7:19:29 GMT
It gets you local success & a chance to raise the profile of the club on the highest possible stage. For many that is more than enough. What highest stage.. this league isn't held in much regard beyond these shores . If their budget is even more then they are losing even more money .. hardly good business .. by one team spending loads more than all the others is more harmful for the league long term.. devils owners are playing a dangerous game Cardiff are also playing in the CHL, which is the highest level of international european competition, and the highest possible stage they can currently play on...
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2021 7:43:14 GMT
What highest stage.. this league isn't held in much regard beyond these shores . If their budget is even more then they are losing even more money .. hardly good business .. by one team spending loads more than all the others is more harmful for the league long term.. devils owners are playing a dangerous game Cardiff are also playing in the CHL, which is the highest level of international european competition, and the highest possible stage they can currently play on... The chl should be seen as a warm up for teams in this league for the domestic season.. teams from the UK, french, Italian, polish leagues just make the numbers up lol
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Post by Jord v4 on May 21, 2021 8:35:53 GMT
It gets you local success & a chance to raise the profile of the club on the highest possible stage. For many that is more than enough. What highest stage.. this league isn't held in much regard beyond these shores . If their budget is even more then they are losing even more money .. hardly good business .. by one team spending loads more than all the others is more harmful for the league long term.. devils owners are playing a dangerous game Agree with all your points. Just to note that Sheffield were rather close to them budget wise last time. It's a fine balance, you want the league to be competitive but you also want to raise the profile of the entire league on the best stage possible for any plausible gain. Better quality players on these shores should help the development of Brit players if done correctly, but I get there is a counter argument to that. Also, if Cardiff spending more is the required incentive to make some of the other owners put more money in to their teams then fine by me. I'd certainly rather have Cardiff's owners than Panthers. We need a few more Kelman types in the EIHL to make it max out the potential though, one is not enough.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2021 9:24:26 GMT
Having one decent owner and forward thinking GM in the league to improve its profile is pointless. you would rather have Cardiff's owner to panthers owner purely because they'll spend more ??
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Post by Jord v4 on May 21, 2021 9:31:15 GMT
Having one decent owner and forward thinking GM in the league to improve its profile is pointless. you would rather have Cardiff's owner to panthers owner purely because they'll spend more ?? Yes, definitely. As eluded to in the earlier post one forward thinking owner might in some way drag the rest of them to a better level. It's not just about spending more either, it's about demonstrating better or correct behaviors for the title, whether that be via communication or organization. Much can be improved upon in certain orgs.
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Post by kievthegreat on May 21, 2021 10:38:48 GMT
Also, if Cardiff spending more is the required incentive to make some of the other owners put more money in to their teams then fine by me. Things is, what about teams that can't? It all well and good saying Panthers can/should put more in, but the Dundees and Manchesters can't just ratchet up budgets in the same way. We've seen in the Capitals when a team plays in this league with too low a budget. It's a joke, and not a funny one. You'd really hope that no team was looking to stretch playing budgets and blow teams out of the water coming off this really difficult couple of years.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2021 10:51:50 GMT
Having one decent owner and forward thinking GM in the league to improve its profile is pointless. you would rather have Cardiff's owner to panthers owner purely because they'll spend more ?? Yes, definitely. As eluded to in the earlier post one forward thinking owner might in some way drag the rest of them to a better level. It's not just about spending more either, it's about demonstrating better or correct behaviors for the title, whether that be via communication or organization. Much can be improved upon in certain orgs. Well this theory hasn't happened yet and will never happen . The gulf will always be too big between the best and worst teams .. You elude to one owner spending more and hopefully others following suit.. this happened in the isl .. it led to owners spending beyond their means. The only consolation was the hockey was actually good back then !
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Post by Jord v4 on May 21, 2021 12:14:24 GMT
Also, if Cardiff spending more is the required incentive to make some of the other owners put more money in to their teams then fine by me. Things is, what about teams that can't? It all well and good saying Panthers can/should put more in, but the Dundees and Manchesters can't just ratchet up budgets in the same way. We've seen in the Capitals when a team plays in this league with too low a budget. It's a joke, and not a funny one. You'd really hope that no team was looking to stretch playing budgets and blow teams out of the water coming off this really difficult couple of years. Without an agreed wage max wage budget you will always get the also rans who can't 'compete'. Happens is all sports of this ilk.
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Post by Jord v4 on May 21, 2021 12:15:47 GMT
Yes, definitely. As eluded to in the earlier post one forward thinking owner might in some way drag the rest of them to a better level. It's not just about spending more either, it's about demonstrating better or correct behaviors for the title, whether that be via communication or organization. Much can be improved upon in certain orgs. Well this theory hasn't happened yet and will never happen . The gulf will always be too big between the best and worst teams .. You elude to one owner spending more and hopefully others following suit.. this happened in the isl .. it led to owners spending beyond their means. The only consolation was the hockey was actually good back then ! Different times now. We've often complained then Panthers don't invest what they can in the playing side. Time to see if they are prepared to meet the challenge as realistically as possible.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2021 12:46:55 GMT
Things is, what about teams that can't? It all well and good saying Panthers can/should put more in, but the Dundees and Manchesters can't just ratchet up budgets in the same way. We've seen in the Capitals when a team plays in this league with too low a budget. It's a joke, and not a funny one. You'd really hope that no team was looking to stretch playing budgets and blow teams out of the water coming off this really difficult couple of years. Without an agreed wage max wage budget you will always get the also rans who can't 'compete'. Happens is all sports of this ilk. Doesn't stop certain teams in this league if there is a agreed max wage budget !
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