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Post by ashfieldpanther on May 12, 2021 13:37:20 GMT
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Post by iginla on May 12, 2021 13:54:34 GMT
What a waste of time that EIHL announcement was,they may as well have said nothing. 🙄 Why not just wait until they’ve decided the whole format of league,cup and play offs then announce it all. |
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Post by Pies on May 12, 2021 14:31:21 GMT
What a waste of time that EIHL announcement was,they may as well have said nothing. 🙄 Why not just wait until they’ve decided the whole format of league,cup and play offs then announce it all. It literally tells you when the season is starting...that for a lot of people is enough right now and gives them satisfaction that there’s some hockey TL look forward to. You’d moan if they didn’t say anything, you moan when they do. They’ve given dates for different stages of announcements so we know when to expect movement. |
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Post by Bagheera on May 12, 2021 14:45:02 GMT
What a waste of time that EIHL announcement was,they may as well have said nothing. 🙄 Why not just wait until they’ve decided the whole format of league,cup and play offs then announce it all. It literally tells you when the season is starting...that for a lot of people is enough right now and gives them satisfaction that there’s some hockey TL look forward to. You’d moan if they didn’t say anything, you moan when they do. They’ve given dates for different stages of announcements so we know when to expect movement. Both dates are big news for me. Firstly the late starts means I should be able to finish cricket season without any cross over. Secondly play offs is a few weeks later than normal. That is a date a always book off work as soon as dates are announced to ensure O get it off. |
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Post by wannabe2 on May 12, 2021 14:47:24 GMT
What a waste of time that EIHL announcement was,they may as well have said nothing. 🙄 Why not just wait until they’ve decided the whole format of league,cup and play offs then announce it all. Why is it a waste of time, it tells you the dates the league hope to begin, and gives a lot of hope to true fans who want to hear some good news and hope for the future. As has been said you would moan whatever was said, for the vast majority of fans this is good news, for the saddos tough. |
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Post by Yotes on May 12, 2021 14:50:38 GMT
I'm glad to see it's starting a bit later, more like it used to be before it headed towards August.
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Post by kievthegreat on May 12, 2021 15:16:41 GMT
Very welcome news. Makes sense too, gives them maximum time to prepare (I imagine other leagues will do similar with their scheduling too).
Sound as if Glasgow's situation should be clearer at the end if the month. Fingers crossed they get a good result and we can get some clarity on league structure.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 16:23:19 GMT
I can see both sides to this .. firstly they have released info that there will be a season so will be news to a lot of fans ears but on the other side they could have incorporated a few key dates such as when the playoffs start and news of the CC format .. which brings me onto I'm dreaming of the day they wrap that up before Xmas instead of having it drag on alongside the league schedule. I also wish they could introduce a proper playoff schedule .. it will upset alot as they like their weekend on the lash.. the excuse of arena lack of ice time doesn't and will never wash with me too
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Post by Bagheera on May 12, 2021 18:59:40 GMT
I can see both sides to this .. firstly they have released info that there will be a season so will be news to a lot of fans ears but on the other side they could have incorporated a few key dates such as when the playoffs start and news of the CC format .. which brings me onto I'm dreaming of the day they wrap that up before Xmas instead of having it drag on alongside the league schedule. I also wish they could introduce a proper playoff schedule .. it will upset alot as they like their weekend on the lash.. the excuse of arena lack of ice time doesn't and will never wash with me too Countless times i've had this discussion with people now. Perhaps the magic weekend was meant to be there to test the water on this. Play CC starting end of August/September before league starts. CC finals weekend last weekend in Sept/First in Oct(Weather similar to April) giving league its cash cow and fans their wee wee up. Then go to a propper play off format. I agree the excuses dont really wash, they could make it happem if they wanted. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 19:25:44 GMT
I can see both sides to this .. firstly they have released info that there will be a season so will be news to a lot of fans ears but on the other side they could have incorporated a few key dates such as when the playoffs start and news of the CC format .. which brings me onto I'm dreaming of the day they wrap that up before Xmas instead of having it drag on alongside the league schedule. I also wish they could introduce a proper playoff schedule .. it will upset alot as they like their weekend on the lash.. the excuse of arena lack of ice time doesn't and will never wash with me too Countless times i've had this discussion with people now. Perhaps the magic weekend was meant to be there to test the water on this. Play CC starting end of August/September before league starts. CC finals weekend last weekend in Sept/First in Oct(Weather similar to April) giving league its cash cow and fans their wee wee up. Then go to a propper play off format. I agree the excuses dont really wash, they could make it happem if they wanted. Exactly .. if the league wants to be taken seriously and look professional across Europe and beyond it must adapt a best of playoff format .. it doesn't have to be best of 7 alot of leagues do best of 5. The amount of players who come over here and don't quite understand why this league do a frozen four style weekend is staggering . Something tells me nothing will change and they will just carry on the same old same old schedule and formats |
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Post by Caesar on May 12, 2021 21:13:30 GMT
I honestly think that the reason they don't do a best of 3, 5 or 7 playoff series is because they ( and by 'they' I mean all the clubs, not just Panthers) don't believe that enough fans will stump up ticket money for games in such a short period of time to make it worthwhile. Imagine 3 home games in just over a week, how many would realistically turn up for them?
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Post by Bagheera on May 12, 2021 21:16:47 GMT
I honestly think that the reason they don't do a best of 3, 5 or 7 playoff series is because they ( and by 'they' I mean all the clubs, not just Panthers) don't believe that enough fans will stump up ticket money for games in such a short period of time to make it worthwhile. Imagine 3 home games in just over a week, how many would realistically turn up for them? That's a reasonable arguement. It'd just be nice if they could at least give it a go. 2 or 3 seasons to allow some time for people get used to it. If it really doesn't work then at least they tried. I know there a some in EIHL towers that are keen for this format. I believe Mr Kelman has been quite publicly vocal on the subject. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 21:39:36 GMT
That's the problem with anything EIHL nothing is given chance for fans to adjust ..it's done once then sacked off and something else is introduced. I was staggered on social media when some fans didn't know how the best of 3 series against Sheffield worked 🙈. They thought it was still some aggregate score
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Post by Pies on May 13, 2021 7:06:18 GMT
I think the other issue is the League doesn’t have a lot of income...POFW is a huge generator of income and probably keeps people in jobs over the summer.
Plus, ask a lot of fans and they don’t want to get rid of the playoff weekend either. The purist in me would love to see playoffs be a 5 game series over all 3 rounds...but we all know that the arena can’t hold off that many potential dates as well for hockey.
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Post by wannabe2 on May 13, 2021 8:01:05 GMT
It’s also easier to want the play offs to be a series of games if it’s played on your doorstep, but if it’s Giants, Cardiff or a Scottish team etc fans can’t always afford the costs back and forth, also many games wouldn’t be played to full houses if it wasn’t Panthers v Steelers. It’s a great weekend at the moment, it’s a one off and it’s a sell out, so something is working obviously. Perhaps it’s not the same if your not away from home, it’s a weekend away for most.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 8:25:22 GMT
Well it will never be taken seriously then..
Do you think rinks in other countries are all sold out in a proper playoff format ? No they ain't .
I've said times this league need to move into the 21st century and start getting more income so they ain't reliant on one weekend a year..
Can someone justify why arenas/rinks can't accommodate dates for a play off series yet can for the previous 20 odd home games in the regular season but can't for another potential 3 (if it was best of 5) ?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 8:31:50 GMT
And the argument that fans wouldn't go to all the home games in a playoff series.. I'd disagree . The hard core fans turn up no matter what .. and if it was 2 games all and a game 5 it is.. you saying interest wouldn't be high ?
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Post by wannabe2 on May 13, 2021 9:05:39 GMT
Well maybe we will never know, the league seem pretty fixed on what it is and it is a great weekend maybe more so if your a visitor. Maybe would be interesting if it had a vote,myself I think most fans like the idea how it is, and it’s certainly different. A weekend away for most fans,
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 9:20:11 GMT
They seemed fixed on liking it this way because that weekend is a big payday for THEM.. with playoff formats the revenue would go to the club's !!
That's the problem.. most people don't like change .
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Post by wannabe2 on May 13, 2021 9:36:29 GMT
Especially if it ain’t broke. Anyway let’s hope we get our sport back we live in hope, take good care.
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Post by iginla on May 13, 2021 9:39:34 GMT
POFW is all about the pay day for them but....
There’s nothing to stop them having best of three play off quarters and semis then a 3 game final weekend and sharing the money between all the clubs.
Crowds may be lower but there are potentially quite a few more games to make that up.
The teams need to be more agreeable to sharing rather than the we keep to ourselves what we earn attitude.
They could do it if they wanted to.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 9:49:17 GMT
POFW is all about the pay day for them but.... There’s nothing to stop them having best of three play off quarters and semis then a 3 game final weekend and sharing the money between all the clubs. Crowds may be lower but there are potentially quite a few more games to make that up. The teams need to be more agreeable to sharing rather than the we keep to ourselves what we earn attitude. They could do it if they wanted to. Easily .. it's about trying to make as much for themselves . Wannabe you say if it's ain't broke.. but it's the only thing the sport in this country has ever known.. suppose a playoff format is a resounding success across the board . The league may just attract better players if the focus was on the playoffs more... Just a thought |
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Post by Bagheera on May 13, 2021 9:56:51 GMT
They key to it all is the CC weekend. An idea I prefer over the magic weekend as there is a trophy at the end of it. The only difference is it's not quite the end of season play off trophy.
Everything wanted and needed from POFW is pretty much still achieved from having an early season CC finals weekend.
You still get your weekend away(I love POFW weekend too, but Id happily go to a CC weekend with propper playoffs) and the league still gets to make its money.
The only sticking point to the weekend would be ticket pricing. Some would moan as it's only CC it'd need to be cheaper. For me Id pay the same price as I enjoy the whole weekend. I also think most would do the same as it's the only chance you'd get to do it.
Ice time is always the big arguement and I do see where it comes from.
All you'd really need to do is try and agree for the arena not to have a big 5 day type event during a certain month. Any other events would usually leave dates available to slot in as and when needed.
If the league wanted to make it happen i'm faily certain they could.
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Post by wannabe2 on May 13, 2021 9:59:52 GMT
Pidge You may very well be correct buddy, it may be the best thing since slice bread possibly, but don’t the league share the profits with the clubs anyway could be wrong obviously. Can’t wait to be able to watch live hockey, it will be like Xmas when we were kids.
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Post by bobness on May 13, 2021 12:08:36 GMT
Yes, the POFW is a big earner for "the league", but the league is the sum of its clubs, so if the clubs made more money from play off games in their own rink, the subsequent "subs" to the league would be higher?
And let's not forget, all clubs benefit from POFW, I believe, but those that miss the playoffs wouldn't in a "best of" scenario, but would presumably still have to pay the higher "subs"?
You said it above, college hockey operates the "Frozen Four" style playoffs, so it's not unknown in NA. Rare, yes, but not unknown.
Let's not also forget that most NA teams would I believe, be a "core tenant" in their arenas and thus have the clout to hold dates for potential playoff games, whereas maybe not so much in the UK? (This is an educated guess on my part here, happy to be corrected)
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