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Post by Walitzer on May 11, 2021 7:14:53 GMT
Maybe I should have said Panthers forwards. I know media is clueless and they just look at stats. But Eberly was invisible. Did the media even watch the games? I watched a fair few of the Steelers games, Eberle was a powerhouse in the group stage. But it feels hard to justify his MVP when our last memory of the player was him utterly failing to show up when it mattered most.
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Post by langer on May 11, 2021 18:54:20 GMT
Maybe I should have said Panthers forwards. I know media is clueless and they just look at stats. But Eberly was invisible. Did the media even watch the games?
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Post by langer on May 11, 2021 19:01:52 GMT
Overall did you prefer the EIHL style of game or Eliteserien ? Pros and cons ?
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Post by floridadad on May 11, 2021 21:04:02 GMT
More physical in England. Very chippy compared to Norway. More emphasis on the skating aspect in Norway. Skill sets are very comparable in both leagues. More open play in Norway which does allow for the speedier players to control the game. Talent level is comparable but lines go 4 deep in Norway vs 3 deep in England. Refs really let play go in England.
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Post by blackandgold73 on May 11, 2021 22:32:55 GMT
One thing you didn't get to witness this year Floridadad (because of the extraordinary nature of the circumstances and restricted budget maybe?) was the absence of DOPS (Department of Player Safety) which reviews refereeing decisions. It's an independent body of referees from other leagues funded by the EIHL that automatically reviews all majors, body contact and can review other incidents on request. DOPS also have the power to impose supplementary discipline up to and including lengthy bans, which quickly reduces some excesses each year. Can't help thinking the absence of DOPS and reduced squad sizes might have influenced referring in this series. More info on DOPS here if it's of interest: www.eliteleague.co.uk/dops But you're right, the EIHL can definitely be much chippier than some other European Leagues (I've watched a lot of Swedish, Danish, Hungarian and DEL over the years, but never Norway). Think overall it has more of a "North American" reputation amongst other European Leagues as a result, though not all teams take that route. Panthers' most successful "sexy Neilson hockey" period was more of a skills based era for example, and Wallace seems that way inclined. He and Deuce definitely showed an interest in recruiting Scandinavian players both last year, and that style of player again this year, so we look like we're in for more of the same hopefully. Fingers crossed he retains the best of this squad, adds to the Brit corp (Griffith seemed to develop as the series went on), picks up another Boivin bargain or two and perhaps also finds us our next Molin, Ahlros, Wallenberg or Carlsson (game changers all in their own way) in Scandinavia this off-season 🤞🏽🤞🏽 All we need now is someone knowledgeable who watches a lot of Norwegian hockey as a Panthers scout... Just a thought 😉 As always, JMHO
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Post by floridadad on May 12, 2021 10:42:14 GMT
Thanks for the link. Wallace and Doucet did an awesome job recruiting and getting the players on the same page at the right time. Griffith blossomed in the last 4 games and it would be great to see him sign with the Panthers. The organization is in a good place and I hope it continues to build with the right players both on and off the ice. They have a great core of guys coming back and they are building the culture the right way. I will always keep an eye on Norwegian players that would be a good fit for Nottingham.
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Post by blackandgold73 on May 19, 2021 11:58:20 GMT
Wondering your thoughts on the Media awards not voting for any imports on the series all star team. How is it that Domingue and Bovin not make it? And Tanner Eberly getting named MVP. Wasn't he scoreless in the final. And how do you not give Whistle the MVP. Panthers dont win without him. I watched every Panther game. Domingue and Bovin definitely deserved nomination . Clearly the fans agreed with you Floridadad: Boivin rightly joins Whistle and Matheson on the Fans All Star First line selection: www.eliteleague.co.uk/article/1270-first-line-revealed
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Post by bobness on May 19, 2021 12:43:27 GMT
Wondering your thoughts on the Media awards not voting for any imports on the series all star team. How is it that Domingue and Bovin not make it? And Tanner Eberly getting named MVP. Wasn't he scoreless in the final. And how do you not give Whistle the MVP. Panthers dont win without him. I watched every Panther game. Domingue and Bovin definitely deserved nomination . Clearly the fans agreed with you Floridadad: Boivin rightly joins Whistle and Matheson on the Fans All Star First line selection: www.eliteleague.co.uk/article/1270-first-line-revealedNot much to disagree with there, Eberle makes it (just) on pre final form. His final 2 games are perplexing. 14 points in the prior 5 games. Not a single one in 2 games of the final. What on earth did Fox do to Steelers in the final?
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Post by iginla on May 19, 2021 13:11:55 GMT
Erhardt….really ? 😳
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Post by blackandgold73 on May 19, 2021 15:19:50 GMT
Got me scratching my head too! I know he's an offensive Dman but a First Line All-Star with a -8 +/- rating that's beyond me. How would *he* be the Defensive line you'd want on the ice to shut down a tight game? And if you want offense then Schulze and Beauty both outscored him and with + ratings of 6 and 15 respectively. Dallas scored 5 and assisted 7 but ends up with a -8. And *this* is your All Star selection 😳 Steelers Danielsen wasn't flashy and only scored 2 and assisted on 6 but also had a rather flashy League leading +19. Ahead of many of the forwards on the ultimately winning team. Okay so that was helped by Steelers free scoring but it was still way ahead of many of his own team mates. Quite simply, like Matheson, teams struggled to score when he was on the ice. Not something you can say about Erhardt! So we have Erhardt who only scored 3 goals more than Danielsen and one more assist but with a 27 point +/- differential not in his favour?!! Some nice goals sure but honestly that selection is totally beyond me.
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Post by bobness on May 19, 2021 17:11:25 GMT
Got me scratching my head too! I know he's an offensive Dman but a First Line All-Star with a -8 +/- rating that's beyond me. How would *he* be the Defensive line you'd want on the ice to shut down a tight game? And if you want offense then Schulze and Beauty both outscored him and with + ratings of 6 and 15 respectively. Dallas scored 5 and assisted 7 but ends up with a -8. And *this* is your All Star selection 😳 Steelers Danielsen wasn't flashy and only scored 2 and assisted on 6 but also had a rather flashy League leading +19. Ahead of many of the forwards on the ultimately winning team. Okay so that was helped by Steelers free scoring but it was still way ahead of many of his own team mates. Quite simply, like Matheson, teams struggled to score when he was on the ice. Not something you can say about Erhardt! So we have Erhardt who only scored 3 goals more than Danielsen and one more assist but with a 27 point +/- differential not in his favour?!! Some nice goals sure but honestly that selection is totally beyond me. Hard to disagree, but this is "the fans" voting, of course. My vote would've been ASD, a clear leader in "Hardest player to score on" it seems. Interestingly, for Panthers, that title goes head and shoulders to Perlini. 18 pluses and only 4 minuses the entire series, and not a single minus in the last 8 games of the series. Outstanding.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on May 19, 2021 17:52:06 GMT
Got me scratching my head too! I know he's an offensive Dman but a First Line All-Star with a -8 +/- rating that's beyond me. How would *he* be the Defensive line you'd want on the ice to shut down a tight game? And if you want offense then Schulze and Beauty both outscored him and with + ratings of 6 and 15 respectively. Dallas scored 5 and assisted 7 but ends up with a -8. And *this* is your All Star selection 😳 Steelers Danielsen wasn't flashy and only scored 2 and assisted on 6 but also had a rather flashy League leading +19. Ahead of many of the forwards on the ultimately winning team. Okay so that was helped by Steelers free scoring but it was still way ahead of many of his own team mates. Quite simply, like Matheson, teams struggled to score when he was on the ice. Not something you can say about Erhardt! So we have Erhardt who only scored 3 goals more than Danielsen and one more assist but with a 27 point +/- differential not in his favour?!! Some nice goals sure but honestly that selection is totally beyond me. Hard to disagree, but this is "the fans" voting, of course. My vote would've been ASD, a clear leader in "Hardest player to score on" it seems. Interestingly, for Panthers, that title goes head and shoulders to Perlini. 18 pluses and only 4 minuses the entire series, and not a single minus in the last 8 games of the series. Outstanding. He was an inspired signing by CN too
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Post by iginla on May 19, 2021 19:32:59 GMT
Got me scratching my head too! I know he's an offensive Dman but a First Line All-Star with a -8 +/- rating that's beyond me. How would *he* be the Defensive line you'd want on the ice to shut down a tight game? And if you want offense then Schulze and Beauty both outscored him and with + ratings of 6 and 15 respectively. Dallas scored 5 and assisted 7 but ends up with a -8. And *this* is your All Star selection 😳 Steelers Danielsen wasn't flashy and only scored 2 and assisted on 6 but also had a rather flashy League leading +19. Ahead of many of the forwards on the ultimately winning team. Okay so that was helped by Steelers free scoring but it was still way ahead of many of his own team mates. Quite simply, like Matheson, teams struggled to score when he was on the ice. Not something you can say about Erhardt! So we have Erhardt who only scored 3 goals more than Danielsen and one more assist but with a 27 point +/- differential not in his favour?!! Some nice goals sure but honestly that selection is totally beyond me. Exactly....a point well made. I think you’ll find the only reason Erhardt is in the all star team is to keep the Manchester fans happy and so that there is at least one player from each of the four teams represented. My bet is that Erhardt was nowhere near being voted for by the fans but the powers that be fudged it.
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Post by Yotes on May 19, 2021 22:55:53 GMT
There's no better spectacle than Iggy imagining a bizarre, nonsensical conspiracy has taken place. Lean times in the offseason.
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Post by iginla on May 20, 2021 7:19:06 GMT
There's no better spectacle than Iggy imagining a bizarre, nonsensical conspiracy has taken place. Lean times in the offseason. Ha I highly doubt there’s a single Panthers/Steelers fan or even a Blaze fan who voted for Erhardt. 😆
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Post by bobness on May 20, 2021 7:31:13 GMT
There's no better spectacle than Iggy imagining a bizarre, nonsensical conspiracy has taken place. Lean times in the offseason. Ha I highly doubt there’s a single Panthers/Steelers fan or even a Blaze fan who voted for Erhardt. 😆 Maybe, maybe not, but that in itself has no bearing on your argument/theory.
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Post by iginla on May 20, 2021 8:30:16 GMT
Ha I highly doubt there’s a single Panthers/Steelers fan or even a Blaze fan who voted for Erhardt. 😆 Maybe, maybe not, but that in itself has no bearing on your argument/theory. Who would have voted him in then and for what reason ? I know you like your stats to back up an argument but there aren’t any stats that back up Erhardt’s selection over some other players.
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Post by bobness on May 20, 2021 8:35:28 GMT
Back on topic, I have to say I had Storm as my early pick for the Elite Series. Some good known names, and some good looking new names. They struggled though.
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Post by Yotes on May 20, 2021 9:48:25 GMT
Ha I highly doubt there’s a single Panthers/Steelers fan or even a Blaze fan who voted for Erhardt. 😆 I highly doubt there's a single Panthers/Steelers/Blaze fan who cares about who's in the Fan Voted All Star Team. This one is even weirder, and more pointless, than your one about the draft being rigged to favour Manchester. But then again, who knows how far the conspiracy stretches? Maybe I'm in on it...
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Post by blackandgold73 on May 20, 2021 10:08:36 GMT
There's no better spectacle than Iggy imagining a bizarre, nonsensical conspiracy has taken place. Lean times in the offseason. Just wait till people get a hold of my thread about the incorrect videos on the EIHL website... Maybe that'll be the real winners being put in by a disgruntled employee, or accidentally leaking 😉
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Post by iginla on May 20, 2021 10:17:28 GMT
There's no better spectacle than Iggy imagining a bizarre, nonsensical conspiracy has taken place. Lean times in the offseason. Just wait till people get a hold of my thread about the incorrect videos on the EIHL website... Maybe that'll be the real winners being put in by a disgruntled employee, or accidentally leaking 😉 Oooh I can’t wait,this is going to be fun. 🤣
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Post by blackandgold73 on May 20, 2021 11:05:14 GMT
Just wait till people get a hold of my thread about the incorrect videos on the EIHL website... Maybe that'll be the real winners being put in by a disgruntled employee, or accidentally leaking 😉 Oooh I can’t wait,this is going to be fun. 🤣 Alas not Iggy, I goofed. They simply didn't bother editing the packages again
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Post by iginla on May 20, 2021 13:50:23 GMT
Oooh I can’t wait,this is going to be fun. 🤣 Alas not Iggy, I goofed. They simply didn't bother editing the packages again Damn I was looking forward to that. 🤨
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