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Post by Shaggy on May 3, 2021 14:21:23 GMT
the Donald Trump analogy. Sorry, I guess that's a harsh comparison for anyone. Not "for anyone"... I've been saying for a while now that Simms is the Donald Trump of British ice hockey, and absolutely nothing has been shown to change that opinion.
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Post by pantherlee on May 3, 2021 15:10:18 GMT
Fantastic effort from Panthers. Turned what looked like an early disaster into a trophy and Wallace has got to be given a lot of credit for that as that is down to good coaching. As for who brings the players I don’t think it matters as between them Gui and Tim have done a good job on that front since they took over and both seem to be on the same page and pulling in the same direction
As for next season would love to see Boivin and Domingue back. Shame we won’t get cangelosi. Didn’t think much to Talbot-Tassi at first but he grew into the team whereas Ellis seemed to tail off. For a full season I would like to see better balance on the defence and not have 6 left handed players. Dineen and May were a bit rubbish considering their cv’s
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Post by wannabe2 on May 3, 2021 16:43:18 GMT
Congratulations Panthers so glad you turned that other lot over, pleased for Doucet great guy and a very good player. Nice to see you guys sending the Sqeelers packing well played.
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Post by Pies on May 4, 2021 6:51:37 GMT
Once teams get used to Wallace’s systems, they seem to come good. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that both “seasons” under Wallace have started slow and then ramped up. This is why it’s key that at some point we maintain some sort of core to negate those slow starts moving forward.
Overall, great to win a trophy but also great to build relationships with the next generation of Brits. Winning a trophy might be a swing in some lakyers decisions on where to sign
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Post by bobness on May 4, 2021 8:21:02 GMT
Seemed to turn up when it mattered . Right at the start I thought panthers signed the best imports .. it was the retained list which was going to handicap them but they broke out it seemed. It may have been a warm up tournament but this will have hurt sheffield even though they won't admit to it I think the "best" on paper imports were signed by Steelers (no "college kids" or first year pros there, and the best "on paper" goalie by a mile) but Panthers' imports and Brits surprised many. Tetlow looks a different player, the third line was excellent, the goalies superb when it mattered. Add in the lethal 9/17/94 line and Cangelosi firing when it mattered, it all added up to a perfectly paced tournament.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 10:12:36 GMT
Seemed to turn up when it mattered . Right at the start I thought panthers signed the best imports .. it was the retained list which was going to handicap them but they broke out it seemed. It may have been a warm up tournament but this will have hurt sheffield even though they won't admit to it I think the "best" on paper imports were signed by Steelers (no "college kids" or first year pros there, and the best "on paper" goalie by a mile) but Panthers' imports and Brits surprised many. Tetlow looks a different player, the third line was excellent, the goalies superb when it mattered. Add in the lethal 9/17/94 line and Cangelosi firing when it mattered, it all added up to a perfectly paced tournament. I thought there was only one there signed who looked decent on paper and that was Muse.. the rest were similar to those the other teams signed minus those straight out of college etc. The only one panthers signed I thought surprised me was Domingue.. the one I expected more from was Dineen but he seemed to step up in the finals . May was effective as how many goals were scores with him standing top of the crease ? Yes Fox seems to be a decent recruiter but for me the jury is still out on his coaching ability
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Post by bobness on May 4, 2021 10:44:30 GMT
I think the "best" on paper imports were signed by Steelers (no "college kids" or first year pros there, and the best "on paper" goalie by a mile) but Panthers' imports and Brits surprised many. Tetlow looks a different player, the third line was excellent, the goalies superb when it mattered. Add in the lethal 9/17/94 line and Cangelosi firing when it mattered, it all added up to a perfectly paced tournament. I thought there was only one there signed who looked decent on paper and that was Muse.. the rest were similar to those the other teams signed minus those straight out of college etc. The only one panthers signed I thought surprised me was Domingue.. the one I expected more from was Dineen but he seemed to step up in the finals . May was effective as how many goals were scores with him standing top of the crease ? Yes Fox seems to be a decent recruiter but for me the jury is still out on his coaching ability Eberle and Connolly are proven EIHL point a game men. Schulze played DEL last season. Beaudry has more than decent ECHL stats and a cup of coffee in the A. Olden was a PPG player in the EBEL the last few seasons. All those 5 are "decent" on paper for me, but it's only an opinion. Steelers did well getting all their players involved. They only had one squad member held pointless in 16 games, Panthers had 5. If you assume that May only has the luxury of standing in front of the goalie on the PP, there were 5 goals scored on the PP, with May on the ice. As to where he actually was when the goal was scored, you'd have to watch them. They were Goal 1, game 6 Goal 2 game 9. 1, 11. 4, 11 and 2 Final second game. That said, he'll have wanted more than 1+1 from his 16 games, surely? At his ECHL average PPG, he'd have been looking for 11 points.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 11:01:24 GMT
I thought there was only one there signed who looked decent on paper and that was Muse.. the rest were similar to those the other teams signed minus those straight out of college etc. The only one panthers signed I thought surprised me was Domingue.. the one I expected more from was Dineen but he seemed to step up in the finals . May was effective as how many goals were scores with him standing top of the crease ? Yes Fox seems to be a decent recruiter but for me the jury is still out on his coaching ability Eberle and Connolly are proven EIHL point a game men. Schulze played DEL last season. Beaudry has more than decent ECHL stats and a cup of coffee in the A. Olden was a PPG player in the EBEL the last few seasons. All those 5 are "decent" on paper for me, but it's only an opinion. Steelers did well getting all their players involved. They only had one squad member held pointless in 16 games, Panthers had 5. If you assume that May only has the luxury of standing in front of the goalie on the PP, there were 5 goals scored on the PP, with May on the ice. As to where he actually was when the goal was scored, you'd have to watch them. They were Goal 1, game 6 Goal 2 game 9. 1, 11. 4, 11 and 2 Final second game. That said, he'll have wanted more than 1+1 from his 16 games, surely? At his ECHL average PPG, he'd have been looking for 11 points. So then it all comes down to coaching hey.. they were free scoring in the 12 round robin games and against Manchester in the semi's ... Looks like they were totally outplayed .. and that's with the ringer in the #14 jersey 😉
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Post by Robbie Nud on May 4, 2021 11:10:40 GMT
Agree with pidge (suprisingly), Sheff looked a good team and signing known players such as eberle, connelly and kirk boosted them and from some of their games it would seemed a daft idea to bet against them. But in the final, what happened? Fox worked out hw to beat us in the round robin games but not in the final, why? Was it because it was playoff hockey and all NA players raise their game for it? Fox would have known that but why didnt his team? When things were going wrong, sheff resorted to dirty play to try and dominate; questionable hits on Lacho, Matheson reacting to a bad hit; was that to provoke a reaction? Certainly, but I dont think they were expecting it to be to play with more effort. At the end of the day it will be the result that will be remembered.
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Post by bobness on May 4, 2021 15:54:35 GMT
Agree with pidge (suprisingly), Sheff looked a good team and signing known players such as eberle, connelly and kirk boosted them and from some of their games it would seemed a daft idea to bet against them. But in the final, what happened? Fox worked out hw to beat us in the round robin games but not in the final, why? Was it because it was playoff hockey and all NA players raise their game for it? Fox would have known that but why didnt his team? When things were going wrong, sheff resorted to dirty play to try and dominate; questionable hits on Lacho, Matheson reacting to a bad hit; was that to provoke a reaction? Certainly, but I dont think they were expecting it to be to play with more effort. At the end of the day it will be the result that will be remembered. 100%, both of you. Something happened in the final that didn't in the RR games. Steelers were a free scoring team, with a run and gun "we're gonna score one more than you" attitude. Panthers had little answer in the earlier games, but pretty much nailed it in the final. So, Out-coached? Out effort-ed? Panthers came good just as Steelers had some disruption, with Kirk playing seemingly half-injured (20 points in his prior 12 games, a big fat zero in the final), thus all three top lines were perturbed, whereas Panthers had very settled lines by then? Would you have played Muse (who looked very beatable in the final) over Churchfield? Whatever the reason, and we may never know, I liked the outcome. Anyone else think Phillips flattening Matheson from behind after his goal, a clearly avoidable play, was worth a minor?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 16:44:35 GMT
No hardly flattened him more like frustrated on the play so gave him a shove.
The game itself . Panthers brought intensity and steelers didn't.. like someone said weeks ago having a 80% fit kirk could be better than a lot of fully fit players so that's no excuse . I said playing Muse could be the difference if not fully fit.. well guess what from what I saw he was all over the place both nights . Playing a unfit goalie is alot more detrimental than playing outskarers as they can play less minutes and on special teams only etc
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Post by iginla on May 4, 2021 16:53:59 GMT
No hardly flattened him more like frustrated on the play so gave him a shove. The game itself . Panthers brought intensity and steelers didn't.. like someone said weeks ago having a 80% fit kirk could be better than a lot of fully fit players so that's no excuse . I said playing Muse could be the difference if not fully fit.. well guess what from what I saw he was all over the place both nights . Playing a unfit goalie is alot more detrimental than playing outskarers as they can play less minutes and on special teams only etc Yes from what I saw of the final games which was only the highlights I thought Muse let the Steelers down big time. He was shocking and would want most of those goals back.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on May 7, 2021 12:27:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2021 14:19:37 GMT
No hardly flattened him more like frustrated on the play so gave him a shove. The game itself . Panthers brought intensity and steelers didn't.. like someone said weeks ago having a 80% fit kirk could be better than a lot of fully fit players so that's no excuse . I said playing Muse could be the difference if not fully fit.. well guess what from what I saw he was all over the place both nights . Playing a unfit goalie is alot more detrimental than playing outskarers as they can play less minutes and on special teams only etc Yes from what I saw of the final games which was only the highlights I thought Muse let the Steelers down big time. He was shocking and would want most of those goals back. Think panthers 5th goal proved Muse was nowhere near fit
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Post by spik on May 7, 2021 22:08:31 GMT
Wasn't there a remark about our coach being isolating very early on though?
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Post by Yotes on May 7, 2021 22:38:39 GMT
Yes, but only because he was on a flight with someone who later tested positive for it.
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Post by bobness on May 10, 2021 19:17:46 GMT
Icetimes out on the EIHL website today. Whatever Panthers pay Matheson, they get their money’s worth.
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Post by iginla on May 10, 2021 19:29:38 GMT
Icetimes out on the EIHL website today. Whatever Panthers pay Matheson, they get their money’s worth. But bear in mind Panthers did only have 3 import D so they were always going to rack up some minutes. When you look at minutes played by most players though it always makes me laugh when coaches play the “tiredness card” as an excuse. Jeez most of them only play half an hour a weekend ! 🙄
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Post by floridadad on May 10, 2021 21:16:12 GMT
Wondering your thoughts on the Media awards not voting for any imports on the series all star team. How is it that Domingue and Bovin not make it? And Tanner Eberly getting named MVP. Wasn't he scoreless in the final. And how do you not give Whistle the MVP. Panthers dont win without him. I watched every Panther game. Domingue and Bovin definitely deserved nomination
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 21:43:55 GMT
Wondering your thoughts on the Media awards not voting for any imports on the series all star team. How is it that Domingue and Bovin not make it? And Tanner Eberly getting named MVP. Wasn't he scoreless in the final. And how do you not give Whistle the MVP. Panthers dont win without him. I watched every Panther game. Domingue and Bovin definitely deserved nomination . I'm staggered Cangelosi didn't get the MVP. He actually turned up when it mattered .. the entire Steelers roster bottled it..in the history of the Stanley cup finals how many times has the MVP been awarded to a player on the losing team? It's incredibly biased voting.. but hey ho.. they had to give Kirk something eh.. did he even play in the finals?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on May 10, 2021 21:54:25 GMT
Wondering your thoughts on the Media awards not voting for any imports on the series all star team. How is it that Domingue and Bovin not make it? And Tanner Eberly getting named MVP. Wasn't he scoreless in the final. And how do you not give Whistle the MVP. Panthers dont win without him. I watched every Panther game. Domingue and Bovin definitely deserved nomination . Tanner Eberly MVP? Seriously?
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Post by blackandgold73 on May 10, 2021 21:58:17 GMT
Wondering your thoughts on the Media awards not voting for any imports on the series all star team. How is it that Domingue and Bovin not make it? And Tanner Eberly getting named MVP. Wasn't he scoreless in the final. And how do you not give Whistle the MVP. Panthers dont win without him. I watched every Panther game. Domingue and Bovin definitely deserved nomination . Whistle not getting the MVP had me scratching my head too. Will be interesting to see the fan voting outcome. I think he might take that one?? And yes, Boivin and Domingue are glaring omissions to me to. I fear some voters wanted to "spread out" the awards and Matheson and Whistle edged them? My guess is that Eberle was a shoe in for Best Forward for some media types because of his point production over the whole series (ignoring the final) and lazy thinking had media writers thinking MVP had to be one of the existing winners. The kind of thinking that goes 'How can I make X my MVP if I didn't vote for them as best in any other category'. He scored pretty consistently against all the sides so he had that in his favour I guess, but that just makes a potentially best forward to me... So giving MVP to a losing side finalist that not only doesn't provide any points over either leg of the finals but also goes -3 in one game and -1 in the other is missing the fact that an MVP is supposed to be a game changer surely? Especially when it really matters. Someone whose very presence changes the outcome whether they score or not. Clearly not the case for Eberle for me 🤦🏼♂️ But I'm afraid I'm not quite sure what you mean about the not voting for imports? If it's the All-Star Line listed on the website as: Jackson Whistle (Nottingham Panthers) Mark Matheson (Nottingham Panthers) Jérémy Beaudry (Sheffield Steelers) Tristan Keck (Coventry Blaze) Tanner Eberle (Sheffield Steelers) Mike Hammond (Coventry Blaze) ...then only Whistle and Hammond aren't imports.
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Post by blackandgold73 on May 10, 2021 22:21:01 GMT
Wondering your thoughts on the Media awards not voting for any imports on the series all star team. How is it that Domingue and Bovin not make it? And Tanner Eberly getting named MVP. Wasn't he scoreless in the final. And how do you not give Whistle the MVP. Panthers dont win without him. I watched every Panther game. Domingue and Bovin definitely deserved nomination . I'm staggered Cangelosi didn't get the MVP. He actually turned up when it mattered .. the entire Steelers roster bottled it..in the history of the Stanley cup finals how many times has the MVP been awarded to a player on the losing team? It's incredibly biased voting.. but hey ho.. they had to give Kirk something eh.. did he even play in the finals? Exactly, talk about turning up: he scored 6 of his 11 goals for the series in the semi-finals and Finals. The very definition of a game changer. Someone capable of changing the whole dynamic of the finals, not to mention a face off monster (especially game 1 of the finals) which led to crucial goals at times. What did Eberle change for the positive in the finals??
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Post by Walitzer on May 10, 2021 22:28:11 GMT
How can Liam Kirk get the Best British Player award when he is not present in the All-Star line-up, yet two other British players were? Surely that award belongs to Whistle or Hammond?
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Post by floridadad on May 10, 2021 22:31:05 GMT
Maybe I should have said Panthers forwards. I know media is clueless and they just look at stats. But Eberly was invisible. Did the media even watch the games?
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