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Post by John Casey on Mar 8, 2021 21:52:30 GMT
My guess is Doucet could do a trade with Manchester for Whistle and Batch/peacock I don't think he'll trade Whistle, I think Bowns is trade bait once the uncertainty over the availability of certain players is known. As I've said on a previous post, I'm convinced that the 4 teams are using this to try out players who will be available for that team once The Elite League starts. That's why I believe Manchester traded the Number 1 pick, they know Bowns won't be playing for them in the near future, so I think they are going with a N/M they will be using. I can see Myers being traded.
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Post by iginla on Mar 8, 2021 22:02:30 GMT
My guess is Doucet could do a trade with Manchester for Whistle and Batch/peacock I don't think he'll trade Whistle, I think Bowns is trade bait once the uncertainty over the availability of certain players is known. As I've said on a previous post, I'm convinced that the 4 teams are using this to try out players who will be available for that team once The Elite League starts. That's why I believe Manchester traded the Number 1 pick, they know Bowns won't be playing for them in the near future, so I think they are going with a N/M they will be using. I can see Myers being traded. Why would Panthers want to trade Bowns ? Either you’re serious about winning and you play the best team you possibly can or this thing is going to be another farce !
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Post by kievthegreat on Mar 8, 2021 22:16:13 GMT
Cant see Russell being too happy with his 1 & 2 being at the same club. I'd imagine he'd want them both getting plenty of ice time. Any trade regarding the 2 will be very interesting. Is Bowns just a bargaining tool? If we keep him, as we should then how would trading Whistle go down with the man himself? If he is suposed to be here going forward i'm not sure thats good business long term. Clearly we can just keep them both and utilise the extra import outskater. Thats suits us as a club I think. Bowns has suffered a big injury this year so sharing games may be a good thing. I don’t think it would cross Doucet’s mind to let Whistle go elsewhere, we signed him last season and have protected him, it would be poor form to then let him go. We could split the games between them equally and, like you say, we can play 8 import out skaters. 4 forwards and 4 dmen I reckon we’ll sign. Given Bowns had a very nasty injury, not pushing him too hard might be good, for both us and GB. Still not sure we won the draft...yet. We paid a significant price for Bowns and have ended up with 8 forwards, but very little firepower amongst them. However If pieces in a trade, maybe we can get 2 solid brit lines for 3 and 4, then 2 mostly import top lines and use Jackson Whistle as the number 1.
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Post by bobness on Mar 9, 2021 10:51:25 GMT
Apologies if I've missed this, but how did Steelers protect Kirk?
He doesn't fit any of the three categories, does he? Unless he's signed with Steelers next season?
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Post by kievthegreat on Mar 9, 2021 10:53:36 GMT
Apologies if I've missed this, but how did Steelers protect Kirk? He doesn't fit any of the three categories, does he? Unless he's signed with Steelers next season? He's signed a deal whereby he'll play for a month up to NHL camps, then if he fails to get anything over the pond will comeback.
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Post by bobness on Mar 9, 2021 10:59:06 GMT
Apologies if I've missed this, but how did Steelers protect Kirk? He doesn't fit any of the three categories, does he? Unless he's signed with Steelers next season? He's signed a deal whereby he'll play for a month up to NHL camps, then if he fails to get anything over the pond will comeback. Ah. News to me. Fair enough.
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Post by Jord v4 on Mar 9, 2021 11:17:12 GMT
He's signed a deal whereby he'll play for a month up to NHL camps, then if he fails to get anything over the pond will comeback. Ah. News to me. Fair enough. A nice bend but don't break of the rules. They then planned on trading up to one to take Bowns, fortunately that didn't work.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 11:21:30 GMT
Apologies if I've missed this, but how did Steelers protect Kirk? He doesn't fit any of the three categories, does he? Unless he's signed with Steelers next season? He's signed a deal whereby he'll play for a month up to NHL camps, then if he fails to get anything over the pond will comeback. So as things stand he's not been acquired anywhere ... He may get into a camp late August but getting selected is a different matter altogether
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 11:22:20 GMT
Ah. News to me. Fair enough. A nice bend but don't break of the rules. They then planned on trading up to one to take Bowns, fortunately that didn't work. Hence why I'm highly delighted panthers took him just to wee wee them off 😂😂
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Post by kievthegreat on Mar 9, 2021 11:25:38 GMT
Ah. News to me. Fair enough. A nice bend but don't break of the rules. They then planned on trading up to one to take Bowns, fortunately that didn't work. When did they find out their trade didn't work? Because rewatching the video, when finners announced they've traded Fox has a beaming grin and is relaxing back in his chair, but then as soon it's made clear it's Panthers his entire demeanour changes, the smile vanishes and the relaxed posture rapidly shifts to action. Could be and probably is coincidence, but is it possibly that's how he found out he didn't get the trade deal with Storm?
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Post by Jord v4 on Mar 9, 2021 11:43:20 GMT
A nice bend but don't break of the rules. They then planned on trading up to one to take Bowns, fortunately that didn't work. When did they find out their trade didn't work? Because rewatching the video, when finners announced they've traded Fox has a beaming grin and is relaxing back in his chair, but then as soon it's made clear it's Panthers his entire demeanour changes, the smile vanishes and the relaxed posture rapidly shifts to action. Could be and probably is coincidence, but is it possibly that's how he found out he didn't get the trade deal with Storm? I didn't watch the FB feed so can't comment on anyone's reactions but let's just say Finnerty would rather deal with Panthers than Steelers for some reason...
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Post by kievthegreat on Mar 9, 2021 12:00:48 GMT
When did they find out their trade didn't work? Because rewatching the video, when finners announced they've traded Fox has a beaming grin and is relaxing back in his chair, but then as soon it's made clear it's Panthers his entire demeanour changes, the smile vanishes and the relaxed posture rapidly shifts to action. Could be and probably is coincidence, but is it possibly that's how he found out he didn't get the trade deal with Storm? I didn't watch the FB feed so can't comment on anyone's reactions but let's just say Finnerty would rather deal with Panthers than Steelers for some reason... Watch from 8:30 if you get a sec
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Post by Jord v4 on Mar 9, 2021 12:06:00 GMT
Looks like a smirk to me as he knew it was happening & then he took down the pick details. Seems harmless.
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Post by kievthegreat on Mar 9, 2021 12:06:52 GMT
Looks like a smirk to me as he knew it was happening & then he took down the pick details. Seems harmless. Fair enough. I prefer my reading though! 😁
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Post by Jord v4 on Mar 9, 2021 12:14:59 GMT
Looks like a smirk to me as he knew it was happening & then he took down the pick details. Seems harmless. Fair enough. I prefer my reading though! 😁 I'm reading it as they were turned down for a trade so when Finnerty said trade he smirked as he knew they had dealt with someone else. He actually smirks before Panthers are mentioned & then when the details of the picks Panthers gave up are mentioned he nods to the deal implying it beat their offer. That's my take on it. The smirk before Panthers are mentioned is key imo.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 9, 2021 13:10:47 GMT
Panthers can't protect Joe Hazeldine as he's got a contract with one of the other teams in the Elite Series for next year. Although I wouldn't have him as one of the 5 anyway, our inability to keep British players (for next season) doesn't seem diminished by a year off. I never saw a long term future with Hazeldine (with an import coach) unless the league was dumbed down
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Post by samjohnson345 on Mar 9, 2021 15:31:47 GMT
Just an opinion, but one thing I picked up on pre trading was just how lacking in depth our brit pack has become, in terms of important quality/ high end brits. I sincerely hope, in terms of the brits we have acquired in this draft, that we are using the five weeks to build longer term relationships in the hope of attracting the ones who do well to wanting to join us longer term. For example I really like Kieran Brown and see no reason for him not to be available as it would be common knowledge if the steelers had him to a contract for next season, therefore I hope if he does well, that we are in a position to bring him in. Slightly more experienced but the same goes for Hook, as well as the other brits that seem to have good pedigree like Garrigan, Griffiths and Kerlin (as mentioned by Gui as someone they were actively looking at for the future). Great opportunity for these guys to showcase their abilities and personalities, as we strive to restore the days of strong British depth. We shall see I suppose.
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Post by simonhunt on Mar 9, 2021 15:45:01 GMT
JASON HEWITT......Whats the point.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 9, 2021 16:08:07 GMT
Although I wouldn't have him as one of the 5 anyway, our inability to keep British players (for next season) doesn't seem diminished by a year off. I never saw a long term future with Hazeldine (with an import coach) unless the league was dumbed down Unless they're planning to change the rules then we need to find some sort of future with some of these young British players - them being a specific demographic in the roster rules. Has Hazeldine had near long enough to show whether he can become a decent player for us? He's only 20. Seems it'll be Manchester who find out. He could come back of course, but it seems odd we can't keep a young, local lad on the books, at least long enough to make a proper judgement.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 9, 2021 16:09:13 GMT
JASON HEWITT......Whats the point. Story of his life.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 9, 2021 16:27:54 GMT
I never saw a long term future with Hazeldine (with an import coach) unless the league was dumbed down Unless they're planning to change the rules then we need to find some sort of future with some of these young British players - them being a specific demographic in the roster rules. Has Hazeldine had near long enough to show whether he can become a decent player for us? He's only 20. Seems it'll be Manchester who find out. He could come back of course, but it seems odd we can't keep a young, local lad on the books, at least long enough to make a proper judgement. Perhaps it sounds a bit harsh but I don't think either him or Jordan Kelsall were going to go far when you look around us and at their youth development. I really don't get warm and fuzzy over young Brits as they are usually pretty poor and stay around for passport wages or they show promise and clear off abroad anyway. I hope they go on and prove me wrong but they are good former EPL standard and when we look to the future just who's future are we looking to?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 9, 2021 16:28:59 GMT
JASON HEWITT......Whats the point. A waste of space and somewhere there is a garden gnome that wants his beard back.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 9, 2021 16:44:17 GMT
Perhaps it sounds a bit harsh but I don't think either him or Jordan Kelsall were going to go far when you look around us and at their youth development. I really don't get warm and fuzzy over young Brits as they are usually pretty poor and stay around for passport wages or they show promise and clear off abroad anyway. I hope they go on and prove me wrong but they are good former EPL standard and when we look to the future just who's future are we looking to? Well we would've needed a 17+3 roster, with max 13 imports, last season. They've made it 25 and under for the junior spots, so it's a little easier, but assuming they don't change the rules, you still need something to fill the spaces at a minimum. British players of that age are unlikely to be superstars, serviceable might be the best you can hope for.
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Post by Jord v4 on Mar 9, 2021 17:50:18 GMT
Just an opinion, but one thing I picked up on pre trading was just how lacking in depth our brit pack has become, in terms of important quality/ high end brits. I sincerely hope, in terms of the brits we have acquired in this draft, that we are using the five weeks to build longer term relationships in the hope of attracting the ones who do well to wanting to join us longer term. For example I really like Kieran Brown and see no reason for him not to be available as it would be common knowledge if the steelers had him to a contract for next season, therefore I hope if he does well, that we are in a position to bring him in. Slightly more experienced but the same goes for Hook, as well as the other brits that seem to have good pedigree like Garrigan, Griffiths and Kerlin (as mentioned by Gui as someone they were actively looking at for the future). Great opportunity for these guys to showcase their abilities and personalities, as we strive to restore the days of strong British depth. We shall see I suppose. Myers & Clarke were proper loses, as are Farmer & maybe Lee to a lesser extent. Nice post though, time to get some young Brits in for chance to look at/work with them. If that is all Panthers redeem from this event then it could well be worthwhile.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 18:16:03 GMT
JASON HEWITT......Whats the point. Always amazed me how he got employed as a hockey player ! Must have one good agent !
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