|
|
Post by texpef on Jul 22, 2020 10:09:16 GMT
Can't help thinking if he was a Cardiff or Sheff player last season they would have signed him up weeks ago. Normally I would of agreed with you 100% on this, but given the circumstances I'm not sure theres a lot they could of done given that theres a very real possibility that the season might not happen at all. Despite what I'm currently reading online from Shuff fans lapping this news up, Herr was clearly the most dominant player in the league last year, so it was always going to be a tough ask to keep him without the uncertainty of covid. Speaking of shuff fans, I can't wait for the first of their 'signings' to duck out of their contract once a bigger European team dangles a guaranteed contract as the idea of a full EIHL season becomes untenable! Given signings BY OTHER TEAMS so far this off season I cant also help think if he had been a player in one of the teams above us his signature would have been a priority and captured regardless of the cost. Imho this really does feel yet again penny pinching on panthers side with an ideal excuse with the virus not to go all out. Who knows the season may well not go ahead and all these signings could well be smoke and mirrors but it does make you wonder that the richest club in the country i.e. the one that is likely to make to most money has done sod all so far to spend it... Given panthers history I think people are giving them the benefit of the doubt without a shred of evidence that anything has changed in Black towers. It was said the off season will show how committed panthers are to success over profit with signings such as Herr being a priority to challenge for any success, so far they have distinctly failed... |
|
Jord v4
Ken Westman
Harbinger of Doom
Posts: 2,714
|
Post by Jord v4 on Jul 22, 2020 11:04:05 GMT
Interesting post Tex, I'm not sure where I sit on this one tbh.
Having not seen much live hockey lately I'm relying on the judgement of qualified others. Herr seems by all accounts a franchise altering player at our level. I doubt we would have held on to him if Covid didn't occur but there's that thought always of are Panthers doing all they really can which I think the educated know they really aren't & haven't for some time.
I guess the level of the team he's signed for will tell most. If DEL1 for example then no way we were keeping him no matter what.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 11:09:34 GMT
I knew it wouldn't be long til tex put his 50p worth in and did his usual Panther bashing
|
|
|
|
Post by texpef on Jul 22, 2020 13:28:44 GMT
I knew it wouldn't be long til tex put his 50p worth in and did his usual Panther bashing Nicely added to the debate there Pidge... always good to read your inciteful comments given you are always glowing when it comes to the panthers yourself...   |
|
|
|
Post by bobness on Jul 22, 2020 13:43:50 GMT
I guess the level of the team he's signed for will tell most. If DEL1 for example then no way we were keeping him no matter what. Allegedly what was the EBEL in Austria, now the ICEHockeyLeague. If a top team (Salzburg/Vienna) that's a cast iron step up. I'm not sure any team would've been able to hold onto him, IMHO he's clearly destined for better paydays than anyone in the EIHL can offer him. |
|
Fez
Lorne Smith
Posts: 652
|
Post by Fez on Jul 22, 2020 15:35:39 GMT
I'm almost regretting only seeing Herr live once now. How good was he? Better than Ling or Fox for example? I thought he was the 2nd best player on our team last year behind Matheson. Undoubted stud who carried an otherwise uber-mediocre side. I'd rank Ling at the top - then toss a coin between Herr & Fox. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 15:50:09 GMT
I wouldn't get too upset over not signing somebody for a season that probably won't even happen and even if it does it'll be a shortened season that ultimately won't really matter who wins the title because the competition is likely to be that much of a farce that the winners will always have the asterix against them. Any 20/21 season will just be a filler to ensure some hockey is played and to fill some pockets, not to put on a good show for the fans.
The fact that Herr put his decision in writing to the Panthers to me shouts that he is still on good terms with the club. Perhaps leaving the door open for a return if a full 21/22 season can be completed and he can be sure of stable paying job.
|
|
fyfe
Jade Galbraith
Posts: 63
|
Post by fyfe on Jul 23, 2020 7:33:24 GMT
For me Herr is the most complete player I have seen play for the panthers, the amount of games that he won on his own or dragged us back into where many (the home Coventry win stands out in my mind just to name one)
Ling was great going forward, there is no argument he was a points machine and had an edge to his play as well
Fox was a great player who was part of a great team, I would argue that the standard of the league is much higher now and I am unsure whether Fox would have the same impact at this higher standard.
Sad to see Herr leave, was a pleasure to see him play but I cannot say that I am surprised, straight out of the AHL to the UK in his prime, not sure how we managed to get him at all. All the best Sam!
|
|
|
|
Post by blackandgold73 on Jul 23, 2020 8:58:55 GMT
I guess the level of the team he's signed for will tell most. If DEL1 for example then no way we were keeping him no matter what. Allegedly what was the EBEL in Austria, now the ICEHockeyLeague. Looks to be a good shout to me. I think panthers info about not telling us which team has ironically perhaps told us which league. From what I can see the ICEHL seems to be the only league showing signs of a signing moratorium. Lots of departures from league teams announced but nothing coming in to the teams (at least to the Austrian/Swiss/Slovak teams) for quite some time. Fehervar (the Hungarian affiliate) announced two this month but as they're both returning Hungarian natives (which guarantees their readmission to Hungary under its current pandemic laws) that may have been allowed. So 2+2 would suggest he is indeed very possibly ICEhl bound and probably to an Austrian or Swiss team. But time will tell. But, if so, given the options there it's not surprising we didn't manage to hold onto him. |
|
Jord v4
Ken Westman
Harbinger of Doom
Posts: 2,714
|
Post by Jord v4 on Jul 23, 2020 9:19:46 GMT
HC Innsbruck... perhaps.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 9:47:00 GMT
For me Herr is the most complete player I have seen play for the panthers, the amount of games that he won on his own or dragged us back into where many (the home Coventry win stands out in my mind just to name one) Ling was great going forward, there is no argument he was a points machine and had an edge to his play as well Fox was a great player who was part of a great team, I would argue that the standard of the league is much higher now and I am unsure whether Fox would have the same impact at this higher standard. Sad to see Herr leave, was a pleasure to see him play but I cannot say that I am surprised, straight out of the AHL to the UK in his prime, not sure how we managed to get him at all. All the best Sam! Totally agree. I said month's ago that Herr is the better player than Fox. While Fox was an exceptional captain and played D and F .. his all round game is nowhere near the level of Herr. I've never seen one player drag this team out of holes like herr did numerous times.. Ling was quality as we all know but he wasn't a 200 foot player |
|
Jord v4
Ken Westman
Harbinger of Doom
Posts: 2,714
|
Post by Jord v4 on Jul 24, 2020 12:44:29 GMT
Better than Fox is some player, seems I missed out here a little. Darn it.
|
|
|
|
Post by blackandgold73 on Jul 26, 2020 13:31:55 GMT
Looks like Innsbruck may indeed his destination. He was supposedly in rumoured talks with them a week ago according to Austrian media. But a lot will depend on social distancing laws being relaxed in favour of masks in Austrian Hockey. At their recent inspection Innsbruck were told they could only have 500 spectators in their stadium safely distanced: which as a team that needs spectator income to cover expenses (some of the ICEhl teams are much less dependent on ticket revenue) wouldn't see them able to function. Hence the league signing moratorium: no team can set a budget as not all the teams have had stadium inspections telling them what they will be allowed to host in terms of spectators currently. So potential income levels will affect signings/functioning for teams there For those wanting more about Herr's rumoured link to Innsbruck: hockey-news.info/icehl-der-hc-innsbruck-angelt-nach-einem-liga-topscorer/ |
|
|
|
Post by ashfieldpanther on Aug 10, 2020 7:19:35 GMT
The signing embargo in Austria has been lifted, Graz have had a major clear out of imports with 4 confirmed as departing, and their main n/m...
|
|
|
|
Post by ashfieldpanther on Aug 22, 2020 12:41:05 GMT
|
|
Jord v4
Ken Westman
Harbinger of Doom
Posts: 2,714
|
Post by Jord v4 on Aug 22, 2020 12:44:39 GMT
It's almost like I knew a month ago isn't it, wonder how eh? |
|
|
|
Post by ashfieldpanther on Aug 22, 2020 12:50:10 GMT
It's almost like I knew a month ago isn't it, wonder how eh? Thank you for the forewarning ! A bit of background, Innsbruck are clearly looking to turn round their recent playoff fortunes, which has seen them crowned champions just the once in the past twenty years and not go beyond the qf stage since their win in 2011-12. |
|
Jord v4
Ken Westman
Harbinger of Doom
Posts: 2,714
|
Post by Jord v4 on Aug 22, 2020 13:00:47 GMT
It's almost like I knew a month ago isn't it, wonder how eh? Thank you for the forewarning ! A bit of background, Innsbruck are clearly looking to turn round their recent playoff fortunes, which has seen them crowned champions just the once in the past twenty years and not go beyond the qf stage since their win in 2011-12. They've cleared house, yes. This one was agreed back when I originally posted, they've had to wait for their reveals though. |
|
iginla
Chick Zamick
Posts: 13,422
|
Post by iginla on Aug 22, 2020 16:54:35 GMT
It's almost like I knew a month ago isn't it, wonder how eh? Mmmmm......Austria Who’ve just got on the quarantine list because Covid cases are rising. 🙈 |
|
Jord v4
Ken Westman
Harbinger of Doom
Posts: 2,714
|
Post by Jord v4 on Aug 23, 2020 9:50:42 GMT
It's almost like I knew a month ago isn't it, wonder how eh? Mmmmm......Austria Who’ve just got on the quarantine list because Covid cases are rising. 🙈 There's spikes inevitably appearing all over, yes. Containment is the key now. Still more change of Ice Hockey elsewhere in Europe than on our shores though for sure. Let the hegiras begin... |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2020 10:10:56 GMT
It's almost like I knew a month ago isn't it, wonder how eh? Mmmmm......Austria Who’ve just got on the quarantine list because Covid cases are rising. 🙈 I doubt innsbruck need full capacity in their rink for it to be viable unlike over here such is there other forms of income |
|
|
|
Post by blackandgold73 on Aug 23, 2020 11:19:56 GMT
Mmmmm......Austria Who’ve just got on the quarantine list because Covid cases are rising. 🙈 I doubt innsbruck need full capacity in their rink for it to be viable unlike over here such is there other forms of income As mentioned previously unfortunately they do. They couldn't afford the squad or too participate with the restrictions on their normal venue (500 max with Covid-19 distancing) so they're moving next door to the much larger Olympic hall, where even with Covid-19 restrictions cutting it's capacity, they can now get 2000 fans in. They still think they'll need to generate extra income though other means too. It's only because they have a second larger suitable venue that they're able to continue this year. More here for those interested: hockey-news.info/icehl-der-hc-innsbruck-plant-einen-hallenwechsel/ |
|
|
|
Post by blackandgold73 on Sept 17, 2020 12:20:32 GMT
No prizes for guessing who Innsbruck have elected to wear the "C" for the coming campaign. And he's scored in both of their first two preseason matches. So looks like a seamless transition so far
|
|
|
|
Post by ashfieldpanther on Oct 5, 2020 16:54:38 GMT
4 games, 2 assists so far.
|
|
Jord v4
Ken Westman
Harbinger of Doom
Posts: 2,714
|
Post by Jord v4 on Oct 5, 2020 17:29:00 GMT
4 games, 2 assists so far. He's rather a good player isn't he. |
|
