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Post by iginla on Apr 6, 2020 21:52:57 GMT
Belfast have got away with not offering a refund as their season ticket simply states it's for all home games during the season, not a specified amount. If the Giants are trying to hide behind that as an excuse then that’s very poor and at best could be described as sharp practice. I reckon even a half decent lawyer would tear them to pieces.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 6, 2020 22:00:35 GMT
Sounds a bit in desperation to be honest
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Post by Yotes on Apr 6, 2020 23:21:46 GMT
They even find a way to alienate the happy clappers. Text book Moranomics.
I don't see how they have a leg to stand on here if fans take it further.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 6:03:07 GMT
Belfast have got away with not offering a refund as their season ticket simply states it's for all home games during the season, not a specified amount. If the Giants are trying to hide behind that as an excuse then that’s very poor and at best could be described as sharp practice. I reckon even a half decent lawyer would tear them to pieces. I really hope a lawyer gets hold of this and tears them to pieces tbh! .. its criminal what they and the giants are trying to do
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Post by wannabe2 on Apr 7, 2020 7:02:22 GMT
Don’t think any team has offered refunds, so your not on your own. Devils and Panthers I think had the most games left, devils had 4 and I have 5 season tickets which relate to 20 games.
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Post by loupowell52 on Apr 7, 2020 7:13:55 GMT
Firstly I would just like to acknowledge the Panthers making an announcement. The lack of which was what I found annoying thus my original post. As far as new ST's for 2020/2021 is concerned I think it is ludicrous to even consider discussing any options let alone pricing structures or deadlines until COVID-19 has been defeated and we can start to even think about some sort of return to normality. Sport is just that - SPORT. It is not life or death. All true fans will be delighted to be able to return to the game(s) that they love and will, I am sure, give everything they can to offer an even higher level of support than in the past to see things prosper again. As far as ice hockey is concerned I will just enjoy being able to attend a live match again, with everything that entails. Winning will be secondary. Stay strong, stay focused and stay safe. God Bless.
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Post by iginla on Apr 7, 2020 8:33:48 GMT
Don’t think any team has offered refunds, so your not on your own. Devils and Panthers I think had the most games left, devils had 4 and I have 5 season tickets which relate to 20 games. And that’ll be because the league bosses have all got together and chosen to adopt the closed shop policy that if we all do the same thing the fans will just have to just suck it up. Poor move EIHL....very poor indeed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 9:01:16 GMT
Don’t think any team has offered refunds, so your not on your own. Devils and Panthers I think had the most games left, devils had 4 and I have 5 season tickets which relate to 20 games. And that’ll be because the league bosses have all got together and chosen to adopt the closed shop policy that if we all do the same thing the fans will just have to just suck it up. Poor move EIHL....very poor indeed. Exactly.. EIHL ... screwing fans over since 2004!
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Post by EMB on Apr 7, 2020 18:07:33 GMT
The thing is your going to need at least a couple of thousand fans to be emailing and complaining to the club and EIHL to make any sort of difference, a few fans on each forum is just not going to work . They know full well that people have a moan and next week it will be all forgot about. I wonder if the small claim will stand up in court look what happened to a Rob when things got abit too close for comfort with GM & NB. And what with the new company being set up with Kelman, Smith & Black makes you wonder what else is going on. The refunds might not be huge amounts in the grand scheme of things but with this virus situation a lot of people are going to be needing every penny they can get. I wonder how this has gone down with the other clubs that have wealthy owners.
I’ve just had a good read of the OS and although it says the five matches will be a mixture of pre-season (might not be one if the season doesn’t start till say Late Sept/Oct) And possibly other matches...surely the other matches have to be Cup matches? They are the only ones as a season ticket holder you would have to pay for. Personally I’m not to bothered about pre- season matches so I’d rather have all the cup matches as free.
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Post by samantha on Apr 7, 2020 19:49:10 GMT
Well I am not bothered about getting my money back, getting some pre season games is a bonus. The clubs could not help what happened, the players still need to be paid., they lost the cash from walk ups . I would rather the league survives
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Post by Yotes on Apr 7, 2020 20:00:14 GMT
That should be your choice.
People who may not feel like writing off, potentially a large sum of money, at a time of financial worry for many should have the choice to reclaim what they've paid for.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 20:35:21 GMT
Well I am not bothered about getting my money back, getting some pre season games is a bonus. The clubs could not help what happened, the players still need to be paid., they lost the cash from walk ups . I would rather the league survives Whilst I hope the club have given players support, particularly the Brits, the players don't still need to be paid actually. They get 2 weeks notice, if furlough wasn't an option, I don't know how it would work with them and their contracts. So the club, in terms of their income, have received Season Ticket money for the entire year and it would also be able to assume received sponsorship money for an entire season. The only sizeable income that the club have missed out on is walk up income, which yes is sizeable but with the remainder of the season not being played out we are also saving on ice time costs, arena rental costs, travel costs, players wages. The office staff have probably been furlough'd so office staff are mostly being covered by the government. I repeat, Panthers aren't a business that has struggled to post a profit for a number of years now, where has the money gone, or more importantly where is it going? The whole thing smells very suspicious and despite on the face of it being a better year or two in Club/Fan relations, our owner/management are showing their true colours at a time they could be seen to be doing their little bit. I would guess 70-90% of ST holders would have left their ST money with the club and accepted the games next season(whenever the hell that happens, if it happens) as compensation so it really wouldn't be that much of a hit on the club but it can't be overstated just what a heartless decision the club have made to not allow even the option of a refund. We are back to the stage where yet again "The Nottingham Building Society Panthers" are just another local business and not part of the community. They have abandoned and ignored some fans in dire need.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 7, 2020 20:58:41 GMT
Well I am not bothered about getting my money back, getting some pre season games is a bonus. The clubs could not help what happened, the players still need to be paid., they lost the cash from walk ups . I would rather the league survives Whilst I hope the club have given players support, particularly the Brits, the players don't still need to be paid actually. They get 2 weeks notice, if furlough wasn't an option, I don't know how it would work with them and their contracts. So the club, in terms of their income, have received Season Ticket money for the entire year and it would also be able to assume received sponsorship money for an entire season. The only sizeable income that the club have missed out on is walk up income, which yes is sizeable but with the remainder of the season not being played out we are also saving on ice time costs, arena rental costs, travel costs, players wages. The office staff have probably been furlough'd so office staff are mostly being covered by the government. I repeat, Panthers aren't a business that has struggled to post a profit for a number of years now, where has the money gone, or more importantly where is it going? The whole thing smells very suspicious and despite on the face of it being a better year or two in Club/Fan relations, our owner/management are showing their true colours at a time they could be seen to be doing their little bit. I would guess 70-90% of ST holders would have left their ST money with the club and accepted the games next season(whenever the hell that happens, if it happens) as compensation so it really wouldn't be that much of a hit on the club but it can't be overstated just what a heartless decision the club have made to not allow even the option of a refund. We are back to the stage where yet again "The Nottingham Building Society Panthers" are just another local business and not part of the community. They have abandoned and ignored some fans in dire need. If it’s like every other sport I have been involved with then sponsorship will be dependent on number of games played. In other sports seasons can be cut short due to injury, teams collapsing etc and so main sponsors will cut a deal where it’s based on part payments throughout the year. The Panthers and the Devils are over a bit of a barrel here. Several teams WILL fold if refunds are given (I have no idea how they are still solvent at Christmas to be honest) and so it must have had a collective decision across the league to try to do this with very little choice if there is a chance the league will keep afloat. Wasn’t it Belfast who said several weeks ago that they couldn’t refund season tickets?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 21:07:03 GMT
Like I've said I'd scrap next season and re focus on 21/22 this coming season (if there is on) is on course to be a train wreck! Problem is theres too much desperation around the league in different quarters
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Post by iginla on Apr 7, 2020 21:17:44 GMT
Let’s say there are 2500 season ticket holders and it works out at what......say £12 average per game on a season ticket ? Over 5 lost games that’s £150,000 the Panthers are refusing to refund.
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Post by iginla on Apr 7, 2020 21:24:02 GMT
Like I've said I'd scrap next season and re focus on 21/22 this coming season (if there is on) is on course to be a train wreck! Problem is theres too much desperation around the league in different quarters I’ve already said that before. What would it cost a team like Manchester to mothball the club for a whole year if they aren’t actually playing hockey.....Next to nothing I should think because what have they got to pay out ? Yes they would presumably have to pay Finnerty but I can’t think of much else.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 7, 2020 21:44:27 GMT
Like I've said I'd scrap next season and re focus on 21/22 this coming season (if there is on) is on course to be a train wreck! Problem is theres too much desperation around the league in different quarters I’ve already said that before. What would it cost a team like Manchester to mothball the club for a whole year if they aren’t actually playing hockey.....Next to nothing I should think because what have they got to pay out ? Yes they would presumably have to pay Finnerty but I can’t think of much else. Isn’t Finnerty part owner?
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Post by iginla on Apr 7, 2020 21:56:46 GMT
I’ve already said that before. What would it cost a team like Manchester to mothball the club for a whole year if they aren’t actually playing hockey.....Next to nothing I should think because what have they got to pay out ? Yes they would presumably have to pay Finnerty but I can’t think of much else. Isn’t Finnerty part owner? I believe so yes,guess it depends if he wants a salary. If he doesn’t then the Storm would presumably have very little in the way of costs,as would most of the smaller teams. They’ll all no doubt plead poverty though.
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Post by wannabe2 on Apr 8, 2020 7:21:27 GMT
Like I've said I'd scrap next season and re focus on 21/22 this coming season (if there is on) is on course to be a train wreck! Problem is theres too much desperation around the league in different quarters I’ve already said that before. What would it cost a team like Manchester to mothball the club for a whole year if they aren’t actually playing hockey.....Next to nothing I should think because what have they got to pay out ? Yes they would presumably have to pay Finnerty but I can’t think of much else. What if the rink then closed due to no income, once rinks Close, they very rarely reopen. It’s a different ball game with a Arena.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 10:04:37 GMT
I’ve already said that before. What would it cost a team like Manchester to mothball the club for a whole year if they aren’t actually playing hockey.....Next to nothing I should think because what have they got to pay out ? Yes they would presumably have to pay Finnerty but I can’t think of much else. What if the rink then closed due to no income, once rinks Close, they very rarely reopen. It’s a different ball game with a Arena. Thats unfortunate . Alot of businesses and going to suffer and take a hit through this and alot will lose alot more
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Post by iginla on Apr 8, 2020 11:55:03 GMT
I’ve already said that before. What would it cost a team like Manchester to mothball the club for a whole year if they aren’t actually playing hockey.....Next to nothing I should think because what have they got to pay out ? Yes they would presumably have to pay Finnerty but I can’t think of much else. What if the rink then closed due to no income, once rinks Close, they very rarely reopen. It’s a different ball game with a Arena. But you’re looking at it from a Devils perspective and your rink wouldn’t be losing as badly as some.....because you lot don’t pay any rent ! All your rink would lose is food and drink sales. You can’t have it both ways whilst putting a crack team on the ice every year. 😁
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Post by wannabe2 on Apr 8, 2020 15:01:53 GMT
You don’t get my point, I am not talking about Cardiff, my reference was towards Storm, Flyers, Stars. Close them down for 12/18 months and that’s the end 3 good teams. They would close and be another Durham, Edinburgh, Hull, etc. Arenas don’t have that problem, they are pretty self sufficient.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 8, 2020 15:52:13 GMT
How is an arena that can't host events any more self sufficient than a rink? There's still no money coming in, and some going out to keep it ticking over. There must be thousands of venues in exactly the same boat, like Pidge says.
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Post by wannabe2 on Apr 8, 2020 16:52:52 GMT
Okay yes fine but those venues are run by huge companies that can handle downtime’s, and will have the clout to carry on, where as Joe Bloggs who is living from hand to mouth, is going to suffer big time. This league with 5/6 teams won’t exist.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 17:30:20 GMT
Okay yes fine but those venues are run by huge companies that can handle downtime’s, and will have the clout to carry on, where as Joe Bloggs who is living from hand to mouth, is going to suffer big time. This league with 5/6 teams won’t exist. It's all relative , big venues potentially losing bigger revenue, smaller facilities have less overhead so theoretically will lose less. I said this league would struggle to survive on the back of Covid-19 way back when the virus was in its infantry now I see you are realising the seriousness of the situation and is coming round to my way of thinking 😉
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