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Post by bobness on Feb 7, 2020 8:30:07 GMT
First time I've ever seen the word "hyperbolically" on here.
We're not far off the Fretter thing again are we? A clear travesty has surely been allowed, and the "explanation" (via a local media, not any official league channel) just makes it even more inexplicable.
"Significant body to body contact" was made, apparently.
I must be watching the wrong incident.
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Post by iginla on Feb 7, 2020 10:24:56 GMT
He’s right in either case. After today, no fan of sound mind can wonder why the league seems unable to properly expand its presence in our country. Any serious businessperson or government funding analyst who could meaningfully grow our sport would take one short glance at the deep-rooted, incestuous, amateur-hour, under-the-table wheeler-dealing network of the league’s operational model and laugh their heads off in amazement that a single supporter still buys a match ticket. The reality is that the current dynamic formed the foundations of the league itself at its inception, because there was no external funding to be found. The league is and always has been at the mercy of a rotating boys’ club who enjoy zero accountability, zero auditing and zero threat of consequences for backroom dealing. Who is there to expose it? Who would even want to, knowing that they would happily allow the UK game to disintegrate if the alternative was complete transparency you can expect in every other professional sport? As fans, we’re completely in thrall to the honour of some mid-range businessmen, and while some undeniably possess the integrity that encourages supporters, others seem born to sit on a board that answers only to itself. I’m speaking hyperbolically, of course, but I’m emphasising the extent of what *could* be happening at any given time without any way of knowing or changing it. Put it this way: if it came out that hundreds of games had been fixed over the years, would it make the back pages of the nationals or would it be a clipping on the page after horse odds? Nailed it there mate. Exactly why I gave up watching this EIHL crap a couple of years ago,far too much bias and just not believable or credible as a fair and honest playing field any more.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2020 10:34:03 GMT
And to think I got called out on Twitter years ago by calling Darnell corrupt/bent/incompetent.. after recent calls he was making in a game ... that was no different to what appears to be the general consensus now!
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Post by Yotes on Feb 7, 2020 10:58:45 GMT
And to think I got called out on Twitter years ago by calling Darnell corrupt/bent/incompetent.. after recent calls he was making in a game ... that was no different to what appears to be the general consensus now! Two of those options are libellous, which is presumably why you got called out. As is the case here, perhaps wise to remember the difference between what you think, and what you can prove.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2020 11:11:42 GMT
Ask why you think this league gets the jobs for boys name and closed shop type feel?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2020 11:18:15 GMT
Why cant we get a governing body? Its predecessor may have had a bunch of owners who spent more than they could afford but at least the ISL had one and half decent disciplinary board.
They say hockey is the most watched indoor sport in the country... that should bring with it some revenue but where does it all go.. where does all the ticket money go at POFW as the cost of the rink is covered by the council!
Its bloody trousered by greedy owners (equally) probably as they run the league ..
Is there any other sport in this country where the clubs owners run it?
A owner runs 2 clubs?
A owner is figurehead of the league?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 7, 2020 11:24:13 GMT
He’s right in either case. After today, no fan of sound mind can wonder why the league seems unable to properly expand its presence in our country. Any serious businessperson or government funding analyst who could meaningfully grow our sport would take one short glance at the deep-rooted, incestuous, amateur-hour, under-the-table wheeler-dealing network of the league’s operational model and laugh their heads off in amazement that a single supporter still buys a match ticket. The reality is that the current dynamic formed the foundations of the league itself at its inception, because there was no external funding to be found. The league is and always has been at the mercy of a rotating boys’ club who enjoy zero accountability, zero auditing and zero threat of consequences for backroom dealing. Who is there to expose it? Who would even want to, knowing that they would happily allow the UK game to disintegrate if the alternative was complete transparency you can expect in every other professional sport? As fans, we’re completely in thrall to the honour of some mid-range businessmen, and while some undeniably possess the integrity that encourages supporters, others seem born to sit on a board that answers only to itself. I’m speaking hyperbolically, of course, but I’m emphasising the extent of what *could* be happening at any given time without any way of knowing or changing it. Put it this way: if it came out that hundreds of games had been fixed over the years, would it make the back pages of the nationals or would it be a clipping on the page after horse odds? What sort of lunatic legit business(person) would EVER get involved in UK ice hockey unless it had a city centre arena? You might as well chuck money down a drain.
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Post by bobness on Feb 7, 2020 12:06:23 GMT
Why cant we get a governing body? Its predecessor may have had a bunch of owners who spent more than they could afford but at least the ISL had one and half decent disciplinary board. They say hockey is the most watched indoor sport in the country... that should bring with it some revenue but where does it all go.. where does all the ticket money go at POFW as the cost of the rink is covered by the council! Its bloody trousered by greedy owners (equally) probably as they run the league .. Is there any other sport in this country where the clubs owners run it? A owner runs 2 clubs? A owner is figurehead of the league? Without knowing the financial ins and outs of the POFW, it's pointless speculating. I thought the revenue was shared among all clubs, to be honest. You know, the greedy owners who provide all the at risk capital. In answer to your first question, yes, the British Basketball league is run by its team owners. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Basketball_League#Corporate_structureI'm not sure if one person owns multiple teams. IMHO, I agree, the EIHL needs to get an independent chair (Tony Smith clearly has conflicts of interest which are difficult to manage) as the BBL does, but that doesn't mean fans will agree with all decisions even then, either. Most of this is old ground though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2020 12:08:45 GMT
Yeah it's old ground .. because nothing has bloody changed or theres no sign it's going to!
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Post by Yotes on Feb 7, 2020 12:10:16 GMT
Why cant we get a governing body? Its predecessor may have had a bunch of owners who spent more than they could afford but at least the ISL had one and half decent disciplinary board. They say hockey is the most watched indoor sport in the country... that should bring with it some revenue but where does it all go.. where does all the ticket money go at POFW as the cost of the rink is covered by the council! Its bloody trousered by greedy owners (equally) probably as they run the league .. Is there any other sport in this country where the clubs owners run it? A owner runs 2 clubs? A owner is figurehead of the league? Business owner taking profit from the business is quite a common occurrence, it's rather the point I would think. Looking at the dreadful attendances at some games I'd imagine it's more likely to be offsetting losses though. Again, there's no problem being suspicious of the league and its motives, or finding the whole thing entirely amateurish, but if you publish opinion as fact - here, Twitter, wherever - and use words like "corrupt", you may be required to back it up in court, if the target decides to make you. And I doubt there's many, if any, on here who would be able to do that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2020 12:15:33 GMT
Unfortunately theres lots of bizarre things which make it believable I'm afraid. Are you surprised people get suspicious? They call it a beer league and have done for years! Whys that?
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Post by Dunk B on Feb 9, 2020 22:06:24 GMT
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Post by bobness on Feb 10, 2020 9:29:20 GMT
Whilst I have all the time in the world for Dr VS, that is a bit like an article about Christmas from the Society for the Protection of Turkeys. Which I realise might be quite apt...
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Post by Dunk B on Feb 10, 2020 22:48:15 GMT
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Post by iginla on Feb 11, 2020 9:13:38 GMT
Well if they think that wasn’t a head hit they must be watching a different video to me. Here’s hoping next time the Devils and Giants play each other it kicks off big time and Dops/EIHL deserve anything that does.
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Post by spik on Feb 12, 2020 10:55:49 GMT
Why cant we get a governing body? Its predecessor may have had a bunch of owners who spent more than they could afford but at least the ISL had one and half decent disciplinary board. They say hockey is the most watched indoor sport in the country... that should bring with it some revenue but where does it all go.. where does all the ticket money go at POFW as the cost of the rink is covered by the council! Its bloody trousered by greedy owners (equally) probably as they run the league .. Is there any other sport in this country where the clubs owners run it? A owner runs 2 clubs? A owner is figurehead of the league? Without knowing the financial ins and outs of the POFW, it's pointless speculating. I thought the revenue was shared among all clubs, to be honest. You know, the greedy owners who provide all the at risk capital. In answer to your first question, yes, the British Basketball league is run by its team owners. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Basketball_League#Corporate_structureI'm not sure if one person owns multiple teams. IMHO, I agree, the EIHL needs to get an independent chair (Tony Smith clearly has conflicts of interest which are difficult to manage) as the BBL does, but that doesn't mean fans will agree with all decisions even then, either. Most of this is old ground though. Mr. Smith does not answer also (like many in their own world) emails or designed 'contact' facilities on their own websites either. Talk about closed shop. Specific important topic as well, from well meaning fans who delve into the topic. In this case the statistical side. Of course they assume it is an 'attack' upon themselves as they may be shown up for their discrepancies. Video shown makes it look like a hit to the head and that left arm moves alright.
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