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Post by shinobi on Aug 1, 2019 17:50:51 GMT
God No! incredible talent but when he found the pubs became very ineffective! It’s more the fact he got benched and thrown on a line with Lachowicz on Ollie while being our only player who could score, what a joke last season was. I’d rather have pure talent on the team than hard working players. I’d rather have both 🤪🤪🤪
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Post by deke on Aug 1, 2019 20:24:42 GMT
The centre here is going be key we need a top end goal scorer. Also little worried about our lack of physicality in the team who have we got that will answer the bell and defend our lads. Lepine did almost none of that last year looked disinterested and like he couldn't be asked. Tetlow will fight but unless he has piled on the muscles in the off season not really a deterant not sure if herr is a fighter. Teams like storm are going to have a field day in that instance against the storm just play smart disciplined hockey and hope the ref's do their jobs and penalise accordingly, they'll be chasing us all night anyway and if something happens where a fight is required Lepine will have to step up. We have to hope that the refs do their job.... We will also have to hope that they don't injure our lads. Surely they would play better with protection and not having to play looking over their shoulder
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Post by jdizpt8 on Aug 1, 2019 20:43:54 GMT
in that instance against the storm just play smart disciplined hockey and hope the ref's do their jobs and penalise accordingly, they'll be chasing us all night anyway and if something happens where a fight is required Lepine will have to step up. We have to hope that the refs do their job.... We will also have to hope that they don't injure our lads. Surely they would play better with protection and not having to play looking over their shoulder Well until we play we won’t know. You’d like to think that during camp and team bonding Lepine (assuming he still plays the role) will have a word and tell them he’s got their back. I know when Tom Norton played alongside Brent Henley, Henley actually said to Tom do what you want I’ve got your back (or words to that affect)
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Post by pantherlee on Aug 1, 2019 20:52:03 GMT
Why is anyone worried about Storm being overly physical? They've got Gagnon and that's it.
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Post by deke on Aug 1, 2019 20:54:46 GMT
We have to hope that the refs do their job.... We will also have to hope that they don't injure our lads. Surely they would play better with protection and not having to play looking over their shoulder Well until we play we won’t know. You’d like to think that during camp and team bonding Lepine (assuming he still plays the role) will have a word and tell them he’s got their back. I know when Tom Norton played alongside Brent Henley, Henley actually said to Tom do what you want I’ve got your back (or words to that affect) Agreed hoping lepine is willing to fulfil that role
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Post by wgray on Aug 1, 2019 21:04:30 GMT
You can’t rely on refs to protect you, especially not the refs in the EIHL, having a deterrent is better imo. This is something which may come back to hurt Sheffield.
Regards Lepine, I’m hoping that next season we can see some more physicality and aggression from him, at the right times of course. Bring back those centre-ice hits!
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Post by allingtonskates on Aug 1, 2019 21:07:15 GMT
You can’t rely on refs to protect you, especially not the refs in the EIHL, having a deterrent is better imo. This is something which may come back to hurt Sheffield. Regards Lepine, I’m hoping that next season we can see some more physicality and aggression from him, at the right times of course. Bring back those centre-ice hits! that's why it would have been a lot better for us to have had rissling over lepine, only problem with rissling is he got carried away some times and got suspensions.
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Post by bobness on Aug 2, 2019 8:54:15 GMT
Yes I know the SHL is miles bettter,we all know it is. But you come out with daft statements just because he’s Swedish and played in the SHL he’s going to be great. That’s not always the case,as I’ve also pointed out you said Hagos was “washed up” at 33 whereas Jakobs who is a year older is somehow a great signing,it doesn’t make sense. Lindhagen,Valdix and Vestberg were decent,the latter two were better but none of them great or big difference makers. Direct comparison for career Allsvenskan stats Lindhagen 0.44ppg Valdix 0.50ppg Vestberg 0.55ppg Jakobs 0.62 ppg Nice stats, but that's all, we don't have much idea where they were played and who with, and the relative qualities of the teams in general, so a blind PPG comparison is interesting but not overly robust as a predictor. Another example. Career SHL stats Lindhagen 0.19ppg Valdix 0.08ppg Vestberg Never played a game Jakobs 0.30 ppg Jakobs had a poor season by his standards last year, played outside of Sweden for the first time and didn't last, and got through 3 teams. CVs mean diddly, generally, your last season is the best comparator in most cases. Jakobs, for me, is the more left field signing. Let's hope TW has found a gem, eh?
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Post by andrew1972 on Aug 2, 2019 11:35:14 GMT
Seen quite a bit relating to Freddie Vestberg and Andreas Valdix on this thread. Both of them were excellent players and never took a night off, especially Vestberg.
But, both of them (and Hagos\Nilsson) were never top line quality in the EIHL. Good, solid, dependable, 2nd liners to add scoring depth to better goalscorers on the top line.
From an outsider looking in. I see quite a big comparison with last years Steelers team in your roster. That doesn't mean you will be as garbage as we were last year but it's all just a little bit too "samey". We waited all last summer for the that "top line" talent and we got Evan McGrath. I'm a little bit underwhelmed by your roster so far, as I was massively underwhelmed by ours last summer. I do think you need a mercurial talent to help change games. Cardiff had\have Linglet\Martin\Fournier, Belfast had Smotherman\Dwyer\Riley. Those players win you trophies. We didn't have any last year, I don't see any on your roster this year.
It is only August and all we have got is a bunch of stats on Elite Prospects. The sum of the parts can be greater than one or two outsanding players. It's about the right pieces in the jigsaw puzzle, complimenting each others games.
Finally seen quite a bit on here and Steelers pages regards toughness. I'm not so sure it's a massive problem. It's being unfortunately taken out of the game anyway. If you have a cracking powerplay then that will harm Manchester et al far more than a little mid ice dust up will. I'd like to see a bit more on the Steelers roster but it is what it is.
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Post by Joe on Aug 2, 2019 11:59:00 GMT
Seen quite a bit relating to Freddie Vestberg and Andreas Valdix on this thread. Both of them were excellent players and never took a night off, especially Vestberg. But, both of them (and Hagos\Nilsson) were never top line quality in the EIHL. Good, solid, dependable, 2nd liners to add scoring depth to better goalscorers on the top line. From an outsider looking in. I see quite a big comparison with last years Steelers team in your roster. That doesn't mean you will be as garbage as we were last year but it's all just a little bit too "samey". We waited all last summer for the that "top line" talent and we got Evan McGrath. I'm a little bit underwhelmed by your roster so far, as I was massively underwhelmed by ours last summer. I do think you need a mercurial talent to help change games. Cardiff had\have Linglet\Martin\Fournier, Belfast had Smotherman\Dwyer\Riley. Those players win you trophies. We didn't have any last year, I don't see any on your roster this year. It is only August and all we have got is a bunch of stats on Elite Prospects. The sum of the parts can be greater than one or two outsanding players. It's about the right pieces in the jigsaw puzzle, complimenting each others games. Finally seen quite a bit on here and Steelers pages regards toughness. I'm not so sure it's a massive problem. It's being unfortunately taken out of the game anyway. If you have a cracking powerplay then that will harm Manchester et al far more than a little mid ice dust up will. I'd like to see a bit more on the Steelers roster but it is what it is. You mention those players in hindsight though, bar Linglet we’ve signed players with comparable stats in similar quality leagues to where those players you mentioned were playing before they signed in the EIHL
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Post by andrew1972 on Aug 2, 2019 12:48:03 GMT
Seen quite a bit relating to Freddie Vestberg and Andreas Valdix on this thread. Both of them were excellent players and never took a night off, especially Vestberg. But, both of them (and Hagos\Nilsson) were never top line quality in the EIHL. Good, solid, dependable, 2nd liners to add scoring depth to better goalscorers on the top line. From an outsider looking in. I see quite a big comparison with last years Steelers team in your roster. That doesn't mean you will be as garbage as we were last year but it's all just a little bit too "samey". We waited all last summer for the that "top line" talent and we got Evan McGrath. I'm a little bit underwhelmed by your roster so far, as I was massively underwhelmed by ours last summer. I do think you need a mercurial talent to help change games. Cardiff had\have Linglet\Martin\Fournier, Belfast had Smotherman\Dwyer\Riley. Those players win you trophies. We didn't have any last year, I don't see any on your roster this year. It is only August and all we have got is a bunch of stats on Elite Prospects. The sum of the parts can be greater than one or two outsanding players. It's about the right pieces in the jigsaw puzzle, complimenting each others games. Finally seen quite a bit on here and Steelers pages regards toughness. I'm not so sure it's a massive problem. It's being unfortunately taken out of the game anyway. If you have a cracking powerplay then that will harm Manchester et al far more than a little mid ice dust up will. I'd like to see a bit more on the Steelers roster but it is what it is. You mention those players in hindsight though, bar Linglet we’ve signed players with comparable stats in similar quality leagues to where those players you mentioned were playing before they signed in the EIHL As I said in my post we are just looking at stats. You can make them look like anything you want. For example Quist, good season last year in Denmark, pretty rubbish season before in Sweden. For comparison, Jonas Westerling who came as a 3rd\4th line player has .55ppg in the Swedish Allsvenskan. That is higher than Quist. Westerling was a good player but he was never going to trouble the scorers. Stats can't tell you everything but there are players in other teams around the league that have played consistently at a much higher level and so "on paper" should perform better. As we all know, paper doesn't mean a lot sometimes. lol
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Post by Jord v4 on Aug 2, 2019 13:13:31 GMT
Seen quite a bit relating to Freddie Vestberg and Andreas Valdix on this thread. Both of them were excellent players and never took a night off, especially Vestberg. But, both of them (and Hagos\Nilsson) were never top line quality in the EIHL. Good, solid, dependable, 2nd liners to add scoring depth to better goalscorers on the top line. From an outsider looking in. I see quite a big comparison with last years Steelers team in your roster. That doesn't mean you will be as garbage as we were last year but it's all just a little bit too "samey". We waited all last summer for the that "top line" talent and we got Evan McGrath. I'm a little bit underwhelmed by your roster so far, as I was massively underwhelmed by ours last summer. I do think you need a mercurial talent to help change games. Cardiff had\have Linglet\Martin\Fournier, Belfast had Smotherman\Dwyer\Riley. Those players win you trophies. We didn't have any last year, I don't see any on your roster this year. It is only August and all we have got is a bunch of stats on Elite Prospects. The sum of the parts can be greater than one or two outsanding players. It's about the right pieces in the jigsaw puzzle, complimenting each others games. Finally seen quite a bit on here and Steelers pages regards toughness. I'm not so sure it's a massive problem. It's being unfortunately taken out of the game anyway. If you have a cracking powerplay then that will harm Manchester et al far more than a little mid ice dust up will. I'd like to see a bit more on the Steelers roster but it is what it is. An excellent post this. Fine example of how other teams fans could post.
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Post by deke on Aug 2, 2019 15:11:18 GMT
Seen quite a bit relating to Freddie Vestberg and Andreas Valdix on this thread. Both of them were excellent players and never took a night off, especially Vestberg. But, both of them (and Hagos\Nilsson) were never top line quality in the EIHL. Good, solid, dependable, 2nd liners to add scoring depth to better goalscorers on the top line. From an outsider looking in. I see quite a big comparison with last years Steelers team in your roster. That doesn't mean you will be as garbage as we were last year but it's all just a little bit too "samey". We waited all last summer for the that "top line" talent and we got Evan McGrath. I'm a little bit underwhelmed by your roster so far, as I was massively underwhelmed by ours last summer. I do think you need a mercurial talent to help change games. Cardiff had\have Linglet\Martin\Fournier, Belfast had Smotherman\Dwyer\Riley. Those players win you trophies. We didn't have any last year, I don't see any on your roster this year. It is only August and all we have got is a bunch of stats on Elite Prospects. The sum of the parts can be greater than one or two outsanding players. It's about the right pieces in the jigsaw puzzle, complimenting each others games. Finally seen quite a bit on here and Steelers pages regards toughness. I'm not so sure it's a massive problem. It's being unfortunately taken out of the game anyway. If you have a cracking powerplay then that will harm Manchester et al far more than a little mid ice dust up will. I'd like to see a bit more on the Steelers roster but it is what it is. An excellent post this. Fine example of how other teams fans could post. Agreed well reasoned post whilst I'm worried about teams like storm with their style of play potential being a problem for us I do accept that style is being phased out but I would like to have a few players who can fight well on our team I don't want it being literally the only thing they can do. I'd have preferred risling back over lepine. Panthers have got a lot of potentially good players and one or two that shouldn't have come back but no defining big game winning player which if we don't sign will make winning a trophy a hell of a lot less Likley.
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Post by Jord v4 on Aug 2, 2019 15:34:01 GMT
You can’t rely on refs to protect you, especially not the refs in the EIHL, having a deterrent is better imo. This is something which may come back to hurt Sheffield. Regards Lepine, I’m hoping that next season we can see some more physicality and aggression from him, at the right times of course. Bring back those centre-ice hits! that's why it would have been a lot better for us to have had rissling over lepine, only problem with rissling is he got carried away some times and got suspensions. Lepine strikes me as a better deterrent than Rissling. In fact if you asked Lepine to be the policeman on the ice he would do a far better job than trying to be a two-way defence man. Rissling wandered in to loose cannon territory at times, with the help of EIHL officiating I'll grant.
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Post by pantherlee on Aug 2, 2019 15:46:00 GMT
that's why it would have been a lot better for us to have had rissling over lepine, only problem with rissling is he got carried away some times and got suspensions. Lepine strikes me as a better deterrent than Rissling. In fact if you asked Lepine to be the policeman on the ice he would do a far better job than trying to be a two-way defence man. Rissling wandered in to loose cannon territory at times, with the help of EIHL officiating I'll grant. I don't think he was a loose cannon. I still maintain that that hit on Mosey was good. In fact the biggest loose cannon moment was when Lepine got dropped in OT by someone half his size against Dundee and speared the guy and cost us the game
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Post by PantherB on Aug 2, 2019 15:51:24 GMT
Officials couldn't handle Rissling, but he didn't help himself. Officials still react more to the squeals from fans than what their own belief, or it seems that way.
I would've been more than happy to have had Rissling back. He adds a sharp edge to the game and made some boring games, very entertaining. I thought he was a good player, just suffered from the red mist in the latter parts of the season. Very few players have the balls to attempt some of the hits he threw, and he was as tough as nails. Not going to get into the clean/dirty debate about the Mosey hit but seeing Ulmer get completely dummied was hilarious.
I really hope we see Lepine step up his physical game.
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Post by calv on Aug 2, 2019 16:07:43 GMT
Storm aren't a big team this year, Gagnon is the only bug guy,while Hope picked up some PIMs in Jr's and the beginning of his USports career but they've dropped significantly since then. Still 1 forward and d left, so maybe a couple of bugger guys coming
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Post by Joe on Aug 2, 2019 16:08:24 GMT
Officials couldn't handle Rissling, but he didn't help himself. Officials still react more to the squeals from fans than what their own belief, or it seems that way. I would've been more than happy to have had Rissling back. He adds a sharp edge to the game and made some boring games, very entertaining. I thought he was a good player, just suffered from the red mist in the latter parts of the season. Very few players have the balls to attempt some of the hits he threw, and he was as tough as nails. Not going to get into the clean/dirty debate about the Mosey hit but seeing Ulmer get completely dummied was hilarious. I really hope we see Lepine step up his physical game. I saw last season that Lepine was talking to a fan and that he apparently told them that he wants to play like he used to but can’t anymore due to the refs. Hopefully under Wallace and potentially a smaller role he can be allowed to be more physical
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Post by allingtonskates on Aug 2, 2019 16:21:58 GMT
Storm aren't a big team this year, Gagnon is the only bug guy,while Hope picked up some PIMs in Jr's and the beginning of his USports career but they've dropped significantly since then. Still 1 forward and d left, so maybe a couple of bugger guys coming we all know how gagnon will be playing, especially under Finnerty.
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Post by Jord v4 on Aug 2, 2019 17:04:14 GMT
Lepine strikes me as a better deterrent than Rissling. In fact if you asked Lepine to be the policeman on the ice he would do a far better job than trying to be a two-way defence man. Rissling wandered in to loose cannon territory at times, with the help of EIHL officiating I'll grant. I don't think he was a loose cannon. I still maintain that that hit on Mosey was good. In fact the biggest loose cannon moment was when Lepine got dropped in OT by someone half his size against Dundee and speared the guy and cost us the game The Mosey hit was perfectly fine, I was thinking more his other hit against who slips my mind & the fact his card was potentially marked from that point. I'd rather have Lepine playing the protector role than Rissling. Hughes & Rissling offered a hit for the flow of the game, Lepine can protect a team... Or at least could in his first stint.
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Post by PantherB on Aug 2, 2019 17:21:38 GMT
I don't think he was a loose cannon. I still maintain that that hit on Mosey was good. In fact the biggest loose cannon moment was when Lepine got dropped in OT by someone half his size against Dundee and speared the guy and cost us the game The Mosey hit was perfectly fine, I was thinking more his other hit against who slips my mind & the fact his card was potentially marked from that point. I'd rather have Lepine playing the protector role than Rissling. Hughes & Rissling offered a hit for the flow of the game, Lepine can protect a team... Or at least could in his first stint. The Venus hit? That was a beauty too, clean as they come.
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Post by Jord v4 on Aug 2, 2019 17:25:53 GMT
The Mosey hit was perfectly fine, I was thinking more his other hit against who slips my mind & the fact his card was potentially marked from that point. I'd rather have Lepine playing the protector role than Rissling. Hughes & Rissling offered a hit for the flow of the game, Lepine can protect a team... Or at least could in his first stint. The Venus hit? That was a beauty too, clean as they come. Not sure tbh, Ben. Wasn't there one that was definitely not clean? Perhaps I'm doing him a disservice.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 2, 2019 17:33:35 GMT
There was the thing against Fife he got away with, and the cheapshot elbow on Martinelli after he'd scored against us, which he got banned for.
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Post by Jord v4 on Aug 2, 2019 17:46:05 GMT
There was the thing against Fife he got away with, and the cheapshot elbow on Martinelli after he'd scored against us, which he got banned for. Wandering in to loose cannon then, perhaps. Cheers Yotes.
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Post by iginla on Aug 2, 2019 18:12:37 GMT
Storm aren't a big team this year, Gagnon is the only bug guy,while Hope picked up some PIMs in Jr's and the beginning of his USports career but they've dropped significantly since then. Still 1 forward and d left, so maybe a couple of bugger guys coming Yikes !!! 😳😳 Backs to the wall when you play the Storm then. 🤣🤣
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