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Post by iginla on Aug 1, 2019 11:16:41 GMT
Sorry but I ain’t seeing these two as top liners, decent as second line maybe. All I’m seeing here is a comparison with Andreas Valdix and Yared Hagos and I don’t think many people would be happy with those two on Panthers top line. 🙄 Your lack of knowledge of swedish players know no bounds 😉.. I thought you didn't comment on signings.. I watched Hagos when he was 21 .. better then most centres in this league now.. he arrived in Sheffield washed up. I rated Valdix too. Ask steelere fans they will say among their better players in recent years .. vakdix, vestberg, Nilson.. oh yeah they are swedish Panthers ex swedes, Molin, Wallenberg, Carllson hardly disappointed You’re being blinded by Swedish hockey Pidge,it isn’t these sort of second string guys that make it so good it’s the other dozen or so far better players on each team. As for Hagos arriving at Steelers washed up but Jakobs being quality in your opinion....how does that happen then when Hagos was 33 at the time of arriving in Sheffield and yet Jakobs is currently 34. Mmmmm 🤔🤣🤣🤣
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Post by bobness on Aug 1, 2019 11:17:25 GMT
What is this weird logical fallacy everyone on this thread is buying into? Being Swedish is not a hockey superpower that makes you magically good. Putting up points makes you good. These guys arent putting up enough for top liners imo. 52 points in 40 games, third top scorer overall, in a league very comparable to the EIHL is not enough for a shot at the top line in an EIHL team? That's logically quite weird too, in that case. Tough crowd...
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Post by Yotes on Aug 1, 2019 11:25:04 GMT
I think part of the problem is certain people have convinced themselves so much that these signings were going to be top line - because the players already signed have already been written out of the top lines by the same people - that they're rather all in on them being top level.
Quist looks like he knows where the net is, but we'll see if it translates, Jakobs just looks ok.
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Post by Pies on Aug 1, 2019 11:37:34 GMT
If we look at the top 3 scorers in Denmark the season before last and how they did the following season, we can have an idea of standard Toni Kallea 17/18 Hernig Blue Fox - 50 GP - 25g - 39a - 64p 18/19 Sport (liiga, Finland) 53 GP-11G-31A-42P Lasse Larsen 17/18 Herning Blue Fox 50GP 24G 37A 61P 18/19 Herning Blue Fox 40GP 13G 22A 35P Branden Gracel 2017-18 Herning Blue Fox Denmark 50 23 37 60 2018-19 ESV Kaufbeuren DEL2 42 21 38 59
Now had we signed any of these guys after this season, how would people have felt? Toni Kallea would have been seen as an excellent pick up, as would Gracel. Larsen didn't have as good a season (seems to have missed games)\ Liiga is a good league and DEL2 is certainly comparable. So my point is, if we can sign the third top points scorer in that league, they should be able to put up points over here
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Post by nightwish on Aug 1, 2019 12:12:58 GMT
Rather these 2 guys than some lumbering AHLer here to go sightseeing.
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Post by wgray on Aug 1, 2019 12:14:15 GMT
I think Quist is the better pick-up out of the two, he’s just had a top season in Denmark, 3rd top scorer in the league. Watching some of Herlev’s game highlights last season, you get to see snippets of him, he looks more of a playmaker than goalscorer, which is reflected in his stats.
I don’t want to put a downer on things, but I thought we would have had some players with more striking CV’s who you expect to be a go to offensive provider. To me these players are solid secondary scorers, who I see as 2nd and 3rd line wingers, but the problem is we’ve already got players in these positions.
I think the team will be a breath of fresh air, in terms of work rate, desire and energy, but I feel we needed the big CV experience. I think the last centre is going to be pivotal.
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Post by deke on Aug 1, 2019 12:33:43 GMT
The centre here is going be key we need a top end goal scorer. Also little worried about our lack of physicality in the team who have we got that will answer the bell and defend our lads. Lepine did almost none of that last year looked disinterested and like he couldn't be asked. Tetlow will fight but unless he has piled on the muscles in the off season not really a deterant not sure if herr is a fighter. Teams like storm are going to have a field day
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Post by Shaggy on Aug 1, 2019 12:38:00 GMT
I think part of the problem is certain people have convinced themselves so much that these signings were going to be top line - because the players already signed have already been written out of the top lines by the same people - that they're rather all in on them being top level. The other - and larger - part of the problem is that other people have made their minds up that anything & everything that the Panthers do is substandard, incompetent, arrogant or just plain wrong. EVERYTHING that they do... which is easily as stupid as believing that everything they do is perfect (not even close!). These two signings... on paper they look anything from decent to very good... but, as with all unknowns (to these shores) it's got to be a 'wait and see'. But no... let''s just write 'em all off before a puck has even been dropped. Dear oh dear...
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Post by jdizpt8 on Aug 1, 2019 12:54:55 GMT
The centre here is going be key we need a top end goal scorer. Also little worried about our lack of physicality in the team who have we got that will answer the bell and defend our lads. Lepine did almost none of that last year looked disinterested and like he couldn't be asked. Tetlow will fight but unless he has piled on the muscles in the off season not really a deterant not sure if herr is a fighter. Teams like storm are going to have a field day in that instance against the storm just play smart disciplined hockey and hope the ref's do their jobs and penalise accordingly, they'll be chasing us all night anyway and if something happens where a fight is required Lepine will have to step up.
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Post by Joe on Aug 1, 2019 13:10:30 GMT
Lepine did step up and fight people last year but the thing is not many situations occurred where he had to do that
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Aug 1, 2019 13:15:37 GMT
Lepine did step up and fight people last year but the thing is not many situations occurred where he had to do that He even did it once in 3 on 3 overtime
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Post by Yotes on Aug 1, 2019 13:51:37 GMT
I think part of the problem is certain people have convinced themselves so much that these signings were going to be top line - because the players already signed have already been written out of the top lines by the same people - that they're rather all in on them being top level. The other - and larger - part of the problem is that other people have made their minds up that anything & everything that the Panthers do is substandard, incompetent, arrogant or just plain wrong. EVERYTHING that they do... which is easily as stupid as believing that everything they do is perfect (not even close!). These two signings... on paper they look anything from decent to very good... but, as with all unknowns (to these shores) it's got to be a 'wait and see'. But no... let''s just write 'em all off before a puck has even been dropped. Dear oh dear... Have they been written off? Even Iggy says they look ok. It doesn't seem unreasonable to ask where our goals are likely to come from, as Dill has. Same got asked last year and we ended up short on goals, despite having Guptill carrying us.
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Post by Joe on Aug 1, 2019 13:57:30 GMT
The other - and larger - part of the problem is that other people have made their minds up that anything & everything that the Panthers do is substandard, incompetent, arrogant or just plain wrong. EVERYTHING that they do... which is easily as stupid as believing that everything they do is perfect (not even close!). These two signings... on paper they look anything from decent to very good... but, as with all unknowns (to these shores) it's got to be a 'wait and see'. But no... let''s just write 'em all off before a puck has even been dropped. Dear oh dear... Have they been written off? Even Iggy says they look ok. It doesn't seem unreasonable to ask where our goals are likely to come from, as Dill has. Same got asked last year and we ended up short on goals, despite having Guptill carrying us. but it does appear as though quite a few people are writing this team off without seeing them play and based solely off their EP stats which don’t paint a full or accurate picture
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Post by Bagheera on Aug 1, 2019 14:06:30 GMT
I think Quist is the better pick-up out of the two, he’s just had a top season in Denmark, 3rd top scorer in the league. Watching some of Herlev’s game highlights last season, you get to see snippets of him, he looks more of a playmaker than goalscorer, which is reflected in his stats. I don’t want to put a downer on things, but I thought we would have had some players with more strinkig CV’s who you expect to be a go to offensive provider. To me these players are solid secondary scorers, who I see as 2nd and 3rd line wingers, but the problem is we’ve already got players in these positions. I think the team will be a breath of fresh air, in terms of work rate, desire and energy, but I feel we needed the big CV experience. I think the last centre is going to be pivotal. This is exactly my view. I wont write the team off before we really get going. It could all end up working nicely. These players, Quist in particular signed early in the summer and most would be happy enough to have them in the line up. The fact is with most of the team signed we look to have(with at least 1 to sign) 3 top lines all of a similar level. Maybe that'll work for us, going at teams relentlessly, but I was expecting a bit more for our last few signings. Although it all looks very different at Panthers we are starting to see the same things being said as we were seeing at the end of last summer. We sat and waited on the last few stud signing and kept waiting. WE then heard a lot of people saying we looked short on goals, and fianlly we heard, well at least if we aren't winning we will at least be entertained. Still like to see at least 2 quality players come in. If we do go with 1 spare there is no reason that that cant be one of the players already signed. Not one individual looks a bad signing, but as a group they all look at a similar level and perhaps lack the bit of magic to unlock defences when needed. Who knows though, I certainly dont.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 1, 2019 14:12:10 GMT
but it does appear as though quite a few people are writing this team off without seeing them play and based solely off their EP stats which don’t paint a full or accurate picture They might not paint an accurate picture, but we don't know that yet either.
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Post by allingtonskates on Aug 1, 2019 14:35:41 GMT
Go through the track record in the EIHL. Guys with those numbers have not ripped it up. What's your definition of ripping it up. I'd sign a team of swedes, at least you would see work ethic unlike last year ! Personally I’d rather have guptill back, 40 goal scorer with hardly any effort is something special in our league.
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Post by PantherTom on Aug 1, 2019 14:46:29 GMT
What's your definition of ripping it up. I'd sign a team of swedes, at least you would see work ethic unlike last year ! Personally I’d rather have guptill back, 40 goal scorer with hardly any effort is something special in our league. God No! incredible talent but when he found the pubs became very ineffective!
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Post by cooperphil156 on Aug 1, 2019 14:50:36 GMT
I think part of the problem is certain people have convinced themselves so much that these signings were going to be top line - because the players already signed have already been written out of the top lines by the same people - that they're rather all in on them being top level. The other - and larger - part of the problem is that other people have made their minds up that anything & everything that the Panthers do is substandard, incompetent, arrogant or just plain wrong. EVERYTHING that they do... which is easily as stupid as believing that everything they do is perfect (not even close!). These two signings... on paper they look anything from decent to very good... but, as with all unknowns (to these shores) it's got to be a 'wait and see'. But no... let''s just write 'em all off before a puck has even been dropped. Dear oh dear... Stop talking common sense!
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Post by allingtonskates on Aug 1, 2019 14:51:20 GMT
Personally I’d rather have guptill back, 40 goal scorer with hardly any effort is something special in our league. God No! incredible talent but when he found the pubs became very ineffective! It’s more the fact he got benched and thrown on a line with Lachowicz on Ollie while being our only player who could score, what a joke last season was. I’d rather have pure talent on the team than hard working players.
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Post by Pies on Aug 1, 2019 15:09:11 GMT
God No! incredible talent but when he found the pubs became very ineffective! It’s more the fact he got benched and thrown on a line with Lachowicz on Ollie while being our only player who could score, what a joke last season was. I’d rather have pure talent on the team than hard working players. If we had a team of David Ling’s and Guptills, we’d never win anything. Much the same as if we had a team of Benedict’s. You need a balance
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 15:09:40 GMT
Personally I’d rather have guptill back, 40 goal scorer with hardly any effort is something special in our league. God No! incredible talent but when he found the pubs became very ineffective! Don’t care how much he boozes if he can find the net 40 times a season! Being benched and/or shoved on a line with two ‘bang average’ (at best!) Brits and still scored 40 says a lot. The only import from last year I’d have had back.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 15:39:34 GMT
Your lack of knowledge of swedish players know no bounds 😉.. I thought you didn't comment on signings.. I watched Hagos when he was 21 .. better then most centres in this league now.. he arrived in Sheffield washed up. I rated Valdix too. Ask steelere fans they will say among their better players in recent years .. vakdix, vestberg, Nilson.. oh yeah they are swedish Panthers ex swedes, Molin, Wallenberg, Carllson hardly disappointed You’re being blinded by Swedish hockey Pidge,it isn’t these sort of second string guys that make it so good it’s the other dozen or so far better players on each team. As for Hagos arriving at Steelers washed up but Jakobs being quality in your opinion....how does that happen then when Hagos was 33 at the time of arriving in Sheffield and yet Jakobs is currently 34. Mmmmm 🤔🤣🤣🤣 Not blinded at all swedish hockey is miles better than what u usually see. End of
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Post by jdizpt8 on Aug 1, 2019 16:00:20 GMT
God No! incredible talent but when he found the pubs became very ineffective! Don’t care how much he boozes if he can find the net 40 times a season! Being benched and/or shoved on a line with two ‘bang average’ (at best!) Brits and still scored 40 says a lot. The only import from last year I’d have had back. Agree with this, we’ve got speed this year and a lot of people have spoken of how Wallace holds his team accountable so if we’ve got a bunch of workers who have good skill level Guptil could thrive more so if we had him. Keep the players out he pubs / limit them to the odd drink on a Sunday if we’ve taken 3-4 points then we’d see a big difference in performance.
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Post by iginla on Aug 1, 2019 16:53:19 GMT
You’re being blinded by Swedish hockey Pidge,it isn’t these sort of second string guys that make it so good it’s the other dozen or so far better players on each team. As for Hagos arriving at Steelers washed up but Jakobs being quality in your opinion....how does that happen then when Hagos was 33 at the time of arriving in Sheffield and yet Jakobs is currently 34. Mmmmm 🤔🤣🤣🤣 Not blinded at all swedish hockey is miles better than what u usually see. End of Yes I know the SHL is miles bettter,we all know it is. But you come out with daft statements just because he’s Swedish and played in the SHL he’s going to be great. That’s not always the case,as I’ve also pointed out you said Hagos was “washed up” at 33 whereas Jakobs who is a year older is somehow a great signing,it doesn’t make sense. Lindhagen,Valdix and Vestberg were decent,the latter two were better but none of them great or big difference makers.
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Post by pantherlee on Aug 1, 2019 17:06:34 GMT
Not blinded at all swedish hockey is miles better than what u usually see. End of Yes I know the SHL is miles bettter,we all know it is. But you come out with daft statements just because he’s Swedish and played in the SHL he’s going to be great. That’s not always the case,as I’ve also pointed out you said Hagos was “washed up” at 33 whereas Jakobs who is a year older is somehow a great signing,it doesn’t make sense. Lindhagen,Valdix and Vestberg were decent,the latter two were better but none of them great or big difference makers. Direct comparison for career Allsvenskan stats Lindhagen 0.44ppg Valdix 0.50ppg Vestberg 0.55ppg Jakobs 0.62 ppg
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