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Post by bobness on Jul 29, 2019 17:23:09 GMT
Disagree. A wise man would have cancelled after the first season. There are many "wise" fans, who have not renewed their season ticket for this coming season after the dross served up last season. Are you privy to all season ticket renewals data then?
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Post by grrm on Jul 29, 2019 17:29:43 GMT
There are many "wise" fans, who have not renewed their season ticket for this coming season after the dross served up last season. Are you privy to all season ticket renewals data then? No, but we would have heard all about "record" season ticket sales if the figures were good. Are you privy to the figures? If so please divulge.
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Post by bobness on Jul 29, 2019 17:41:22 GMT
Are you privy to all season ticket renewals data then? No, but we would have heard all about "record" season ticket sales if the figures were good. Are you privy to the figures? If so please divulge. Nope. I'm not. I suspect we'll hear about season ticket sales soon enough, not that it matters much. Not that you can say why people aren't renewing, if they're below last year, in any case. Anyway, the point is moot until we get some "news".
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Post by grrm on Jul 29, 2019 17:50:14 GMT
No, but we would have heard all about "record" season ticket sales if the figures were good. Are you privy to the figures? If so please divulge. Nope. I'm not. I suspect we'll hear about season ticket sales soon enough, not that it matters much. Not that you can say why people aren't renewing, if they're below last year, in any case. Anyway, the point is moot until we get some "news". The fact is I can say why a number of fans haven't renewed, because I'm one of them and I know at least 7 other people who haven't renewed - and in every case it's because of consistent poor on ice performances and a perceived or real lack of interest by the club in their own fans - i.e. feeling like I'm being taken for granted. Do I want the club to be successful - hell yes Will I go and watch some games this season - sure Will I ever buy a season ticket again - yes if I feel it's good value for money and I feel my patronage is actually appreciated by the club.
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Post by fluffypanther on Jul 29, 2019 20:34:16 GMT
Hey I was just asking if anyone knew what was happening with Farmer and I really want our team to succeed . I think your comment is a bit harsh. I thought this forum was for fans to discuss how they feel about the team and we feel disappointed..
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Post by grrm on Jul 29, 2019 21:00:12 GMT
Hey I was just asking if anyone knew what was happening with Farmer and I really want our team to succeed . I think your comment is a bit harsh. I thought this forum was for fans to discuss how they feel about the team and we feel disappointed.. How dare you bring things back on topic - lol I sure as hell want Panthers to succeed and will be supporting them again this season - just not with a season ticket because I feel a little "cheated" over the past few seasons. Anyway, back to Mr Farmer, I'm really undecided on the best outcome if I'm honest. Is his heart in the Panthers - mmmm? Are we stronger with him? Could he be a bad influence in the dressing room now? Really not sure what to think?
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Post by PantherG on Jul 29, 2019 22:37:36 GMT
There are many "wise" fans, who have not renewed their season ticket for this coming season after the dross served up last season. Are you privy to all season ticket renewals data then? Log in at 9am Monday and have a look at the arena seating plan and the seats left, it’ll tell you how many season tickets have been sold. I know a big chunk of people who sit around me never renewed, I’m talking about 15 that I know off.. I’m sure some of it will be compensated with new holders but I bet the overall trend in sales was down...
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Post by deke on Jul 30, 2019 8:07:30 GMT
I'm going to go ahead and commit what seems to be a sin on here. Admit I have my season ticket. Why? Several reasons, whilst the team frustrate and annoy the crap out of me sometimes its my team. I go regularly as a social thing as well I have a few groups of people we see regularly and lastly and probably most importantly it helps me relieve stress (sometimes I'm not sure how either!). However I completely get some people not renewing. In terms of farmer yes he is a good brit for us and I don't really want to lose him but if he wants to try his hand abroad he should do it. It will make him a better player and grow English hockey a little more. If he can't find a club abroad and wants to come back I'd take him back. Can't blame the lad for looking.
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Post by bobness on Jul 30, 2019 8:18:23 GMT
Are you privy to all season ticket renewals data then? Log in at 9am Monday and have a look at the arena seating plan and the seats left, it’ll tell you how many season tickets have been sold. I know a big chunk of people who sit around me never renewed, I’m talking about 15 that I know off.. I’m sure some of it will be compensated with new holders but I bet the overall trend in sales was down... Well, I have more pressing things to do on Mondays than that but yes, I get your point. I'm sure someone will do it, and compare it to last year for us. Anyone want to bet that the first home league game isn't a near sell out?
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Post by grrm on Jul 30, 2019 8:27:30 GMT
Maybe you can’t blame him for looking, but he was still contracted to Panthers.
Look at it this way, if I ran a company in the “normal” world and a employee tells me they’re going to look around to see if they can get a job somewhere else, but they will probably stay if they can’t find something - guess what I’d tell them to do!
To be fair to everyone and With the training camp less than two weeks away don’t you think this should have been resolved by now? Maybe behind the scene it has been?
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Post by Jord v4 on Jul 30, 2019 9:33:21 GMT
Maybe you can’t blame him for looking, but he was still contracted to Panthers. Look at it this way, if I ran a company in the “normal” world and a employee tells me they’re going to look around to see if they can get a job somewhere else, but they will probably stay if they can’t find something - guess what I’d tell them to do! To be fair to everyone and With the training camp less than two weeks away don’t you think this should have been resolved by now? Maybe behind the scene it has been? It isn't resolved. As far as Panthers are concerned he's not part of the plans. Nothing has changed since he informed the club that he would be looking to leave this season. This is why Panthers mentioned the EIHL part in the limited press release.
Obviously this could change very quickly.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jul 30, 2019 10:16:29 GMT
Maybe you can’t blame him for looking, but he was still contracted to Panthers. Look at it this way, if I ran a company in the “normal” world and a employee tells me they’re going to look around to see if they can get a job somewhere else, but they will probably stay if they can’t find something - guess what I’d tell them to do! To be fair to everyone and With the training camp less than two weeks away don’t you think this should have been resolved by now? Maybe behind the scene it has been? It isn't resolved. As far as Panthers are concerned he's not part of the plans. Nothing has changed since he informed the club that he would be looking to leave this season. This is why Panthers mentioned the EIHL part in the limited press release.
Obviously this could change very quickly.
If they let him (the last part that is)
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Post by Jord v4 on Jul 30, 2019 11:09:22 GMT
It isn't resolved. As far as Panthers are concerned he's not part of the plans. Nothing has changed since he informed the club that he would be looking to leave this season. This is why Panthers mentioned the EIHL part in the limited press release.
Obviously this could change very quickly.
If they let him (the last part that is) I can see an EIHL team buying him out. Enough bridges may now have been built for this to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 11:20:03 GMT
Maybe you can’t blame him for looking, but he was still contracted to Panthers. Look at it this way, if I ran a company in the “normal” world and a employee tells me they’re going to look around to see if they can get a job somewhere else, but they will probably stay if they can’t find something - guess what I’d tell them to do! To be fair to everyone and With the training camp less than two weeks away don’t you think this should have been resolved by now? Maybe behind the scene it has been? In the normal world, assuming the employee is on a contract with an end date you couldn't tell them to do anything, unless you were willing to pay off the contract.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 11:26:56 GMT
If they let him (the last part that is) I can see an EIHL team buying him out. Enough bridges may now have been built for this to happen. I cant fathem why he wouldn't be part of Panthers plans this year so they could potentially just let him walk (strengthen) another eihl side?
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Post by Jord v4 on Jul 30, 2019 11:33:33 GMT
I can see an EIHL team buying him out. Enough bridges may now have been built for this to happen. I cant fathem why he wouldn't be part of Panthers plans this year so they could potentially just let him walk (strengthen) another eihl side? Well they would be paid for this.... & it's all about money at Panthers isn't it. He would have to be bought out by another EIHL team.
As someone else said somwhere in this forum the longer he goes without a deal in Europe the more likely he is to return/play for another EIHL team. As of the weekend gone Panthers had heard nothing more on this to my knowledge.... Who's to say there isn't a EIHL team waiting for the pay out option.
Panthers put that statement out about the EIHL contract for a reason...
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Post by EMB on Jul 30, 2019 11:50:31 GMT
Perhaps he's just had enough of being here, seems strange that last year he 'signs' a two year deal but after one year he wants away. if he had wanted to try Europe the best time for him to leave would have been when Corey went, just seems very strange that its this year 4 of the Brits wanted away.
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Post by grrm on Jul 30, 2019 11:51:36 GMT
I don't pretend to understand the fine detail of Farmers potential contract, but legally does Farmer hold all the cards? By that I mean can he just walk up to the Panthers office and say I'm back playing for you this season, hows your summer been? - and are they legally obligated to have him back and pay him the salary / package as previously agreed OR has he in some way broken the contract?
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Post by bobness on Jul 30, 2019 12:00:37 GMT
I don't pretend to understand the fine detail of Farmers potential contract, but legally does Farmer hold all the cards? By that I mean can he just walk up to the Panthers office and say I'm back playing for you this season, hows your summer been? - and are they legally obligated to have him back and pay him the salary / package as previously agreed OR has he in some way broken the contract? All depends what the contract says... Another EIHL team "buying him out" would effectively have to pay double wages this season?
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Post by texpef on Jul 30, 2019 12:01:08 GMT
I cant fathem why he wouldn't be part of Panthers plans this year so they could potentially just let him walk (strengthen) another eihl side? Well they would be paid for this.... & it's all about money at Panthers isn't it. He would have to be bought out by another EIHL team.
As someone else said somwhere in this forum the longer he goes without a deal in Europe the more likely he is to return/play for another EIHL team. As of the weekend gone Panthers had heard nothing more on this to my knowledge.... Who's to say there isn't a EIHL team waiting for the pay out option.
Panthers put that statement out about the EIHL contract for a reason...
Sure is about the money OR AT LEAST history dictates it has been and the rosters this season as compared to our rivals sort of suggests this is again this year... For example I will quote you Dan Tessier... now I guess no one really knows (for the shaggy est people out there who like to poo poo any NONE fact) but it was "widely believed" that he was touted in Europe by his agent and was biding his time at panthers, at the time it was the same season as fleury hit the ice in UK and imho he was going to be on a similar level impact wise in Nottingham. His agent found him another gig and as panthers held his cards they wanted paying for his departure rather than hold on to him (which I understand player not wanting to be here etc) but instead of using again what is believed to be a substantial sum of money they signed a Sheffield reject (semen and all the associated jokes) for what is most likely peanuts and we again petered out another dross season.... tell me was this a club doing all it could to win at all costs.... not imho it wasn't and still isn't....
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Post by grrm on Jul 30, 2019 12:11:02 GMT
I don't pretend to understand the fine detail of Farmers potential contract, but legally does Farmer hold all the cards? By that I mean can he just walk up to the Panthers office and say I'm back playing for you this season, hows your summer been? - and are they legally obligated to have him back and pay him the salary / package as previously agreed OR has he in some way broken the contract? All depends what the contract says... Another EIHL team "buying him out" would effectively have to pay double wages this season? that's fine - but could he just walk back in and would Panthers be legally obligated to have him back?
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Post by Jord v4 on Jul 30, 2019 12:46:48 GMT
Any returning contracted player has to inform the club by a certain date of any other plans.... this is what Farmer has done.
So for that reason I'd say his wage for this season is now voided but Panthers still hold his contract rights. So if he is to return to Panthers then I imagine his wage would have to be negociated again. This is just my opinion on this, could well be incorrect... But it makes the most fiscal sense.
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Post by Joe on Jul 30, 2019 13:29:06 GMT
While the longer it goes on the more likely it is that he return, it also suggests to me that he really doesn’t want to come back which is why he’s holding back for so long just so he can get a contract elsewhere. Also with the supposed culture change that Doucet and Wallace are trying to implement, is it wise for us to re-sign someone who’s only here for a paycheque and because he can’t get a contract elsewhere, even if it makes our Brit pack stronger for this season
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Post by grrm on Jul 30, 2019 17:06:09 GMT
I might be labouring this question a bit, but I'm still really not clear if Panthers have a legal obligation to take Farmer this coming season, IF the player decides he wants to play for Panthers? Or can the club now say "NO" to him, if they decide he no longer fits into their plans?
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Post by allingtonskates on Jul 30, 2019 17:09:49 GMT
I might be labouring this question a bit, but I'm still really not clear if Panthers have a legal obligation to take Farmer this coming season, IF the player decides he wants to play for Panthers? Or can the club now say "NO" to him, if they decide he no longer fits into their plans? I think the club can terminate the contract whenever they want and even if he comes back and we have to take him we could use him as a healthy scratch as unlikely as that would be.
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