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Post by wgray on Jul 3, 2019 13:13:36 GMT
Just the way they emphasise he is still under contract. Maybe you’re right. I think they might be stating the fact to make the situation clear. If the Panthers have learnt anything they’ll negotiate a deal where he can’t sign for another EIHL club, in the situation where he leaves a foreign team mid way through next season. We don’t want a situation like we had with Mosey.
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Post by Jord v4 on Jul 3, 2019 13:14:03 GMT
Farmer has turned down the second yr optional. Club want to keep him. Someone in Europe has bent his ear, wonder who...
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Post by iginla on Jul 3, 2019 13:24:18 GMT
I may be wrong but I read into it that if he doesn’t find a new club in abroad then he’s still under contact with us Yes but it will no doubt be one of those option clause contracts either way that realistically absolutely mean sod all. 🙄 Just Panthers way of having a petty dig. Why do they wait until news gets out before saying something,I’d have bet a lot of money on them doing so today and only because their hands being forced,it’s not as if anybody is actually surprised at the Farmer move.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jul 3, 2019 14:23:50 GMT
Bit of a gap to fill there then first week in July
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Post by cooperphil156 on Jul 3, 2019 15:04:31 GMT
STATEMENT: British forward Robert Farmer, who was already under an Elite League contract with the Panthers, has indicated to the club that he’s looking to possibly move abroad for the upcoming season.
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Post by wannabe2 on Jul 3, 2019 15:19:16 GMT
Bit of a gap to fill there then first week in July It sure is, sometimes in life you don’t know what you have, until it buggers off.
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Post by allingtonskates on Jul 3, 2019 15:21:56 GMT
STATEMENT: British forward Robert Farmer, who was already under an Elite League contract with the Panthers, has indicated to the club that he’s looking to possibly move abroad for the upcoming season. i could be totally wrong but I read that as he could be back if it doesn’t work out abroad. Good luck to him though.
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Post by EMB on Jul 3, 2019 15:26:32 GMT
I suppose the other side of the coin is if he's looking to moving away do we really want to keep him, we don't want any player no matter how good changing their mind and staying just because they couldn't find another club. Sometimes its not just the money that becomes attractive but a total change of scene & a new challenge. I would imagine he'll possibly have a fall back if it doesn't work out that first refusal is Panthers (like Mosey)
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Post by Jord v4 on Jul 3, 2019 16:07:39 GMT
STATEMENT: British forward Robert Farmer, who was already under an Elite League contract with the Panthers, has indicated to the club that he’s looking to possibly move abroad for the upcoming season. i could be totally wrong but I read that as he could be back if it doesn’t work out abroad. Good luck to him though. He can't go to another EIHL team for the duration of the season without Panthers blessing. That's all the EIHL contract means in reality.
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Post by bobness on Jul 3, 2019 16:26:49 GMT
i could be totally wrong but I read that as he could be back if it doesn’t work out abroad. Good luck to him though. He can't go to another EIHL team for the duration of the season without Panthers blessing. That's all the EIHL contract means in reality. That sounds very iffy to me (restraint of trade?) but I'm sure we've debated this before. The options are exactly that, it's not some dodgy deal nor is it meaningless. It looks (to me) like if both parties are happy to continue the relationship under the terms of the contrcat (which will almost certainly say things about pay and conditions) the deal is done, sign here. If one party wants to walk away than that's what happens. The player is out of contract and free to talk to whoever he chooses, either by his choice or the club's. An option is exactly that. Optional. Not guaranteed. Might he be off to Germany, then?
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Post by iginla on Jul 3, 2019 16:44:28 GMT
He can't go to another EIHL team for the duration of the season without Panthers blessing. That's all the EIHL contract means in reality. That sounds very iffy to me (restraint of trade?) but I'm sure we've debated this before. The options are exactly that, it's not some dodgy deal nor is it meaningless. It looks (to me) like if both parties are happy to continue the relationship under the terms of the contrcat (which will almost certainly say things about pay and conditions) the deal is done, sign here. If one party wants to walk away than that's what happens. The player is out of contract and free to talk to whoever he chooses, either by his choice or the club's. An option is exactly that. Optional. Not guaranteed. Might he be off to Germany, then? That’s exactly as I understand it too Bob. So technically despite what Panthers say he wasn’t under contract and is totally free to do as he pleases.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2019 16:58:27 GMT
Once he leaves his contract is broken . Unless they re write the contract with some clauses in it. An initial clause maybe if a team from a different league approached Panthers he could talk to them. And another clause could be if he leaves Panthers could discuss terms with him to return. Tbh he wouldn't be any better off moving to another eihl team as a career move would go.
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Post by shinobi on Jul 3, 2019 17:03:16 GMT
Farmer has turned down the second yr optional. Club want to keep him. Someone in Europe has bent his ear, wonder who... Good luck to him if he’s trying his luck in Europe; disappointed he’s leaving.
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Post by Jord v4 on Jul 3, 2019 17:03:19 GMT
He can't go to another EIHL team for the duration of the season without Panthers blessing. That's all the EIHL contract means in reality. That sounds very iffy to me (restraint of trade?) but I'm sure we've debated this before. The options are exactly that, it's not some dodgy deal nor is it meaningless. It looks (to me) like if both parties are happy to continue the relationship under the terms of the contrcat (which will almost certainly say things about pay and conditions) the deal is done, sign here. If one party wants to walk away than that's what happens. The player is out of contract and free to talk to whoever he chooses, either by his choice or the club's. An option is exactly that. Optional. Not guaranteed. Might he be off to Germany, then? We've discussed this before as you say... Panthers wouldn't mention the EIHL part unless it had some meaning. Other Brits & some new imports have been on this two yr deal in the past where they couldn't sign for another EIHL team in yr two without Panthers consent. I agree it sounds un-force able.... But it's in there so does 'something'.... & yes the 2nd year is optional exactly as you describe. If both parties are happy then it's a formality. If neither party is then a move outside the EIHL is possible from the player & in theory if the club release the player then the EIHL protection part is voided. I can imagine the issue with Farmer is that his head has been turned, possibly by a former EIHL coach.... Hence the interesting wording from the press release. Farmer is a Nottingham boy, it would take someone who knows him rather well to get his attention. I'd also argue he played his best hockey by far under a certain coach so it makes some sense. Pretty safe to presume he is off to Del2 then...
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Post by Jord v4 on Jul 3, 2019 17:05:29 GMT
That sounds very iffy to me (restraint of trade?) but I'm sure we've debated this before. The options are exactly that, it's not some dodgy deal nor is it meaningless. It looks (to me) like if both parties are happy to continue the relationship under the terms of the contrcat (which will almost certainly say things about pay and conditions) the deal is done, sign here. If one party wants to walk away than that's what happens. The player is out of contract and free to talk to whoever he chooses, either by his choice or the club's. An option is exactly that. Optional. Not guaranteed. Might he be off to Germany, then? That’s exactly as I understand it too Bob. So technically despite what Panthers say he wasn’t under contract and is totally free to do as he pleases. He can't join another EIHL team under this contract. Europe though, no problem at all.
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Post by Jord v4 on Jul 3, 2019 17:07:46 GMT
Once he leaves his contract is broken . Unless they re write the contract with some clauses in it. An initial clause maybe if a team from a different league approached Panthers he could talk to them. And another clause could be if he leaves Panthers could discuss terms with him to return. Tbh he wouldn't be any better off moving to another eihl team as a career move would go. Panthers still have the EIHL protection for yr2. Even if he goes to Europe, fails & wants a return... It has to be to Panthers unless Panthers revoke it.
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Post by panthersfan10 on Jul 3, 2019 19:05:53 GMT
Just curious are Farmer and Riley’s contract the same?
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Post by dreadface on Jul 3, 2019 19:29:54 GMT
Hopefully we’ve given him a deadline, surely there’s a decent chunk of the budget tied up with him and we can’t wait forever. Personally I’d rather have dropped lacho and used some of the money to keep Farmer happy.
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Post by deke on Jul 3, 2019 19:29:55 GMT
Brit pack isn't looking that strong this year still keeping Lacho but losing farmer? Big loss he does a good job. Bit concerned about this team so far stuck with rheault lepine and Lacho already all 3 negative drains on the team. Rheault mainly because he is Likley to be injured again and wasn't that impressive when he did play. Lepine because well lepine and Lacho because well he was being outscored by defenceman and generally looked like he couldn't give a damn.
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Post by iginla on Jul 3, 2019 19:45:10 GMT
Just look at Panthers Brit pack now compared to the league winning team of 2012/13 when we had... Green Gospel Weaver Lee Norton Betteridge Ward Lacho Levers Clarke Myers
A shocking failure by Panthers to recruit,it’s completely gone to pot. 🙄
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Post by Jord v4 on Jul 3, 2019 19:52:45 GMT
Just curious are Farmer and Riley’s contract the same? Riley...?
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Post by nightwish on Jul 3, 2019 20:17:49 GMT
Goodbye - you were part of a p*ss poor underperforming team last year - much better for us not putting on the Panthers jersey,
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Post by PantherB on Jul 3, 2019 20:24:33 GMT
Goodbye - you were part of a p*ss poor underperforming team last year - much better out there for the Panthers jersey, Name a better British forward who is currently a free agent.. I'll wait.
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Post by nightwish on Jul 3, 2019 20:28:03 GMT
Goodbye - you were part of a p*ss poor underperforming team last year - much better out there for the Panthers jersey, Name a better British forward who is currently a free agent.. I'll wait. It’s not a case of who’s a better British forward , it’s whobwants to perform as Farmer clearly didn’t want to last season...
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Post by panthersfan10 on Jul 3, 2019 20:38:28 GMT
Just curious are Farmer and Riley’s contract the same? Riley...? Blair Riley, he left the Giants after a year into a 2 year contract and is allegedly signing for the devils, just curious if Farmers contract are similar
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